Halts Judge Boasberg’s Contempt Order Against Trump Admin Officials"; DC Circuit Court of Appeals on Friday temporarily halted Judge Boasberg’s contempt order against Trump Admin officials.
THE DOJ NEEDS TO ISSUE BENCH WARRANT FOR BOASBERG BASED ON EXISTING -TERRORIST LAWS AND THE EMIES AND SEDITION ACT- AS THESE ACTIONS WERE AND ARE ALL TERRORIST ACTS IN VIOLATION OF THE P;ATRIOT ACT AS WELL --IN COMPUTING THE DEP;THS OF THIS CONSPIRACY TO " REPLACE DEMOCRAT VOTERS" WITH NEW VOTERS GIVEN DOLLAR RESOURCES, CLOTHES, TRAVEL FEES, SOCIAL SECUIRTY CARDS I.M.O WAS A MOVE INSTIGATED BY TGE DEMOCRAT PARTY WHICH JUST IN FRAUDULENT SOCIAL SECURITY CARDS SPENT A MINIMUM OF 9 TRILLION DOLLARS ( THE MATH IS CONSERVATIVE)the financial forensics are expected to exceed 20 trillion dollars) THERE WAS FAR MORE MONEY IN CIRCULATION THAN WAS DISCLOSED YELLEN COVERED BIDEN'S TRACKS AND SHOULL BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE-
MAYORKAS NEEDS BE DISBARRED AND TRIED FOR TREASON AS WELL AS MANY OTHERS
So in other words the judge that ordered the planes to be grounded had no jurisdiction to do so, so he cannot hold anyone in contempt since he should not have ordered anything! I was happy to see 2 TRUMPERS clear the contempt from Trump, but I want that JUDGE HELD IN CONTEMPT AND ETHICS INQUIRY SENT ON HIS OUTRAGEOUS ACTIONS! Let us turn the tables on that BLOWHARD!
the issue is does the Trump administration have the basis to do what it did...Bush did lots re 911 and today we know we were abused and violated with Patriot act etc. and still we cannot undo it...what I find interesting is that some of the most biggest legal issues and crisis emerge in Republican administrations...we even faced it with COVID...wrongs done and another Republican administration...Biden may have continued lockdowns and rolled out the vaccine but it was brought under Trump...let us not forget. so I am happy this is being litigated...I want this answered properly...do not want any branch of govn to accrue too much power for man will always do what he is good at, abuse each other with that power...will always seek to accrue power, will maximally abuse the population and will never ever give it back unless we take it back at the polls and or courts.
The laws of the Republic and not the man (Trump) dictate the illegal immigrants deportation.
The Democratic process does indeed elect representative men who very much bastardize the Republic form of govt (aka laws) we have... Biden was a case study of the grotesque bastardization that can occur.
Trump did not start lockdowns!! The states did...he gave them the choice. Not all States did lockdowns beyond the 2 weeks. Notice it was all BLUE states that kept it going? So no, don't go there with the Republican (Trump) started it...it was brought on by the DS & Big Pharma - Fauci et al via Obama. They didn't get him with Russia hoax, so had to go with event 201 etc. to get him out.
Mixed messages throughout that statement. We already knew what to do and did it in 2024. If you seriously think this is all about a Trump power grab, you have a screw loose. He's just trying to get the job done that we elected him to do and for the second time he is fighting the leviathon system. You know the one that wants depopulation, etc., etc.
Yes SCOTUS already ruled Boasberg did not have jurisdiction and sent it to the proper jurisdictions. This appeals court hasn't cleared the contempt, they want more time so only stayed the Judge's requirement for answers by Trump admin of 4/23. Basically, kicked the can down the road.
BOASBERG is involved in a criminal conspiracy to overthrow the government. His actions are seditious and treasonous. He needs to be arrested and tried, as well as permanently removed from the bench for bad behavior. It’s time to fight fire with fire. Pam Blondi needs to bring conspiracy charges and gather all communications and evidence proving the orchestrated plans…which will lead right to a Supreme Court justice.
This is all political. There is nothing legal about this. The wack job judge is operating out of his jurisdiction. He should be kicked out of the judiciary and disbarred.
The Circuit stayed the retarded Boasberg to yet again have him be told by SCOTUS his court HAS NO JURISDICTION. None. Therefore his subsequent quest to criminally go after the Trump admin and govt lawyers is so out in legal left field that its even more of an over reach than Boasberg's original TRO that was smacked down by SCOTUS.
He is a judicial two year old throwing tantrum. He has no authority to do anything on this case.
He was hand selected by John Epstein Roberts for the FISA Court. He also allowed the Biden DOJ to go after Trump after the Biden DOJ present knowing fraudulent evidence to the FISA Court.
He is Judicial Deep State... no different than Roberts. In order to perserve his Jurist legitimacy, Roberts shut down Boasberg TRO.... which ironically was the one thing Roberts got right.
Stay tuned?...where have you been? This was all reported on earlier in the week.
Impeachment H.Res. has been introduced & referred to judicial committees; 3/18/25
Removal H.Res. has been introduced and referred to the judicial committees 3/31/25
Congress is out until 4/28, most likely will address this then.
The Appeals Court is only giving themselves more time because Boasberg's order to Trump admin had a 4/23 answer date. It's apparent the Judicial Branch does not want to address Boasberg or have it go up to SCOTUS, so they are kicking the can down the road...for now.
The original order that sparked this chain of abuses was vacated. What justification does this wannabe dictator have in holding the elected president’s admin in contempt?
I have said it before and I will say it again. Do a forensic audit on these rouge judges. see who is giving the money and see how the money flows between family members and conflicts. IRS and FBI can be useful for a change.
The courts are corrupt. The entirety of the bureaucracy, Dem Party and half the GOP are corrupt. Ban NGOs, foreign lobbies , the WEF/WHO and hang Soros and Spawn, Bill Gates, Bloomberg, Fauci, Reid Hoffman , Brennan a a host of others for Treason in the public square. For starters.
The key person to the rulings by Boasberg and SCOTUS is Garcia. Was he really accidentally sent to El Salvador? Or was his inclusion on the flight arranged in order to create an actionable case that could lead to a SCOTUS ruling that will stop or severely hinder Trump's agenda to deport millions of illegals, and their votes for Democrats? Garcia has been protected from legal consequences and deportation several times over years by judges and Democrat politicians. And now they are protesting far too much.
Boasberg has been caught ruling via a script provided to him by Democrat outsiders. He and Roberts are very familiar with each other, perhaps friends even. Boasberg has been assigned to key cases against the odds. His rulings seem desperate , frantic even, and often stretch the bounds of credulity, and the law.
A lot of money and power is on the line. Complex conspiracies should be expected.
What you have witnessed is the opposite of Democracy; What has happened in the USA is; The Civil Service are running the Country; they do this everyday; They like power; judges are now running the government? Normally you have a senior servant who passes down the order and directs the mass of civil servants under them; they take direction from the President team. This has not happened for decades?????
Democracy has been suspended and the people have been given the illusion of freedom while at the same time they have been taxed for it!!!
Judges are at the top of this pyramid and have special privileges and power given by the state . This judge is using his authority to subvert the constitution? By that I mean the presidency and his power and authority which is “special “; above all else. The judge is using his powers to impinge on governance of the state and that is where he steps outside his power?
I’m still waiting for the Trump
Admin to take action to debar him and still eating my popcorn!
Tell me if I’m wrong? But the
Trump Admin should be going after activists judges in government and Debar them !!!!
All Western countries have long established laws including bodies of case law that grant various legal rights to non-citizens such as tourists and even to illegal immigrants, such as the right not to be murdered, and other rights, and which enable illegal immigrants to challenge their deportations in the courts. It has long been accepted in all of these countries that the state must follow the constitution and abide by the rule of law.
It is exciting to see Americans challenging this orthodoxy and calling for the state to disregard the constitution and rule of law when dealing with illegal immigrants.
It's part of what makes America so wonderful and makes Americans such special people,
the issue is does the Trump administration have the basis to do what it did...Bush did lots re 911 and today we know we were abused and violated with Patriot act etc. and still we cannot undo it...what I find interesting is that some of the most biggest legal issues and crisis emerge in Republican administrations...we even faced it with COVID...wrongs done and another Republican administration...Biden may have continued lockdowns and rolled out the vaccine but it was brought under Trump...let us not forget. so I am happy this is being litigated...I want this answered properly...do not want any branch of govn to accrue too much power for man will always do what he is good at, abuse each other with that power...will always seek to accrue power, will maximally abuse the population and will never ever give it back unless we take it back at the polls and or courts.
Kilmar Abrego Garcia is a member of MS-13 who has MS-13 tattooed onto his knuckles, and who beat up his wife. It is understandable that the Trump Administration wanted him removed and does not want him brought back.
However, by declining to follow the constitution and the rule of law and by lawlessness, the Trump Administration sets a handy precedent.
There are many countries that are home to dangerous Americans who rape and murder and generally behave while abroad as if they were back in the States.
Although some Americans abroad may be good people it would nonethless be very handy for other countries if there was no need to follow the rule of law in getting rid of actual or suspected American vermin.
you raise an important point and the question then becomes will Us be able to stomach same...???? and if we went by that metric we can deport Hegseth, Andrew Tate e.g. people who beat women and have tatoos on their knuckles...and bodies and we can turn to the congress and senate and find many men sitting there...I hope MAGA and all and all who jump up and down know what we set in motion returns to us...we must therefore be careful of how much we will let Pandora put to play...
As I understand it, an American citizen cannot be deported from the United States. Formal definition: "Deportation, in legal terms, refers to the FORMAL REMOVAL OF A FOREIGN NATIONAL from a country, usually due to their illegal presence or other reasons deemed detrimental to the nation. This process involves being forced to leave the country, often back to their country of origin." (Emphasis added)
If Pete Hegseth has committed crimes, he can be tried and sentenced but not deported. As a dual US/UK citizen, Andrew Tate can also be tried and sentenced if he has committed crimes. It would be interesting to know if he could be deported to the UK.
I do suppose American citizens who commit treason who are found guilty after due process could be removed to Guantanamo or to Bukele's CECOT prison in El Salvador in lieu of capital punishment.
Here's how some of the International press are commenting on the matter:
"The argument here is not that Mr Garcia is definitely “fine and innocent”. It’s that the matter was never put before a court, and he never had the chance to defend himself. Whether he’s bad or good, to simplify it, is immaterial regarding the question of whether or not he deserves due process.
Put it this way: if all we need, to justify deporting someone to a prison overseas for the rest of his life, is the government’s word that he’s definitely a gang member. And if, once he’s been transferred to that jail, America’s legal position is that it has no power over him whatevoer; thus he is stuck there permanently. Then the Trump administration could seize anyone – absolutely anyone – chuck them onto a plane, and then be rid of them forever, without any judicial review.
It has been established, by multiple levels of America’s court system, including the very highest, that the deportation of Mr Garcia was illegal. And the government’s response is to say ………….. too bad. It’s just not in our hands anymore.
There is no reason that same logic could not be applied to the illegal deportation of someone who holds a visa for the US, or even an American citizen."
"These tattoos have been credulously reported, in some quarters, as “gang symbols”, with each supposedly representing one character of the MS-13 name. And the proof for this is ……. that Donald Trump said so.
God I really am repeating myself here. If the tattoos are gang-related, take it to court and prove it. If Mr Garcia is a gang member, present your proof to an immigration judge. What you cannot do is deport him to a foreign gulag without review, say “take our word for it”, and leave it there.
To demonstrate: imagine a Democratic presidency in 2029. Josh Shaprio is the president, maybe. He decides to crack down on white supremacists. His agents look at the tattoos of current Defence Secretary Pete Hegseth, and wrongly decide they’re beyond the pale. And deport him.
The courts say the government must return Mr Hegseth to the United States, because it deprived him of due process. And the Shapiro administration says nah, screw that, we’re going to leave him to rot.
How would the people currently supporting the detention of otherwise innocent people, in El Salvador, over ambiguous tattoos, react to that policy, from the other side? Not very bloody well. And they would be quite right.
Kilmar Albrego Garcia might be a bad guy. He might be a gang member. You and I don’t know, because whatever evidence the government insists it has still remains elusive. None of that has any bearing on the principle of due process."
I am truly sorry if my views appear harsh or unempathetic, but there must be limits to the appearance of altruism when it is contrived to undermine a Presidency that is acting in the best interests of the country rather than the best interests of dangerous illegal aliens and the Democrats and judges who support them for seditious motives.
When I lived for extended periods in France and Germany, I had formal permission for my stays and was ever mindful that I was a guest in my host country. I sought to abide by every law (and even every custom) expected of me. I also sought to be a good representative of my country. For the periods I was there, I sought to assimilate as well as possible. If I failed to honor those commitments, I would deserve to be expelled. I expect no less from a guest in my own country, whether they be legally welcome or seeking to 'fly under the radar' as illegals.
I am interested to read what the international press has to say on this matter - and others. As an American, though I try to be objective, I feel we are vulnerable to excessive criticism from all sources - often rightly so, often not. And it does hurt a bit to hear, especially when I disagree.
Summarizing my reaction to this specific Kilmar Abrego Garcia case:
1.) It seems an error may have been made since the gov't admits that. However, that admission may be legal posturing for some advantage.
2.) I feel confident that what you posted in your comment at the beginning of this thread is accurate. I also believe that offensive Americans who have committed crimes overseas SHOULD be expelled and deported back to the U.S. unless they must serve a sentence in their host country before deportation. The circumstances can be handled diplomatically, if necessary, and can include prisoner exchanges.
3.) Photos of Kilmar meeting with the grandstanding Senator from the state from which he was deported appear to confirm that he is not within the notorious prison where we have been led to believe he is incarcerated. Can anyone confirm his whereabouts? If he is not in prison, it would appear he is back in his home country where he belongs. He can move his wife and children to join him there. I suspect his wife is happy to be rid of the man who assaulted and threatened her and is even happier to serve as a (financially compensated?) tool of the press and the opposition party.
4.) I disagree with judges and with the ACLU who (apparently?) insist that every illegal alien, many of whom are Alien Enemies who deserve treatment and deportation under the Alien Enemies Act, have a constitutional right to due process. The notion that any illegal alien, whether individually or as a member of an organized gang or premeditated invading force, despite the severity of their threat to Americans' safety, deserves an individualized risk assessment before deportation just because they set foot upon American soil is untenable and administratively impossible. Enemy aliens' having been granted some specious, illegal permission to remain in the U.S. by a seditious Biden Administration should not justify the Democrats' desire to undermine a new administration from securing our borders and protecting our citizens.
5.) I wouldn't want anyone unjustly imprisoned for life but I do not believe the world should stop rotating because one clearly dangerous criminal was, mistakenly or not, removed from the U.S. and deported to a foreign prison (- or was he? We really don't have confirmation where he is).
6.) It is not the United States' mission or burden to assure that every criminal inhabitant of the world is protected from his enemy gang members wherever he may live in his homeland. If they are here illegally, they should be unceremoniuosly deported without due process which should be reserved for citizens and civilized individuals from civilized nations who have entered this country according to all the legal processes in place for legal immigration.
C'mon now...the Trump admin did follow the constitution and rule of law. It's the rogue judicial that are overreaching into Article II powers.
There's no doubt we have a lot of vermin here, but we don't need more from other countries to increase crime. We need to address this and then address the crazies that are here. Trump actually mentioned that, I think to put people who are raping, murdering, trafficking, etc. on notice.
In reality, the USA incentivized illegal immigration with the result that there are many millions of illegal immigrants in the US who were never deported automatically.
Just as tourists who entered legally have the right not to be murdered or otherwise treated contrary to law, so do the illegal immigrants that the US in its wisdom chose to import in vast numbers and to allow to stay for years and decades.
The US may have dumb laws and a dumb constitution (the US constitutional "right" of Americans (and perhaps of illegal immigrants ?) to sodomy, being but one example) but there is an argument that in that case the statutes that enshrine the dumb laws should be repealed or amended and the constitution changed and judicial precedent overturned as opposed to simply disregarding the dumb laws.
NGOs with USAID funding (money laundering) both incentivized and funded the en masse illegal immigration and the Feds simply ignored existing immigration laws.
Amending the Constitution or amending an Amendment is by design a real heavy lift.
BTW... if a US citizen murders and illegal immigrant then the US citizen will be charged with murder... or any other crime for that matter.
So illegal immigrants are "protected" via the Republic but the Republic dictates illegal entry-crime committed by the illegal immigrabt must be dealt with no differently than the US citizen's crime againt the illegal immigrant.
Both are protected by the Republic and both are punished by the Republic.
The Equal Clause of the Constitution is self evident and justly applied.
Doesn't apply in this case. These were all documented TdA or MS-13. They can challenge and were allowed to, but AEA overrides when they are a threat to our citizens. The state is following the constitution and abiding by the rule of law.
THE DOJ NEEDS TO ISSUE BENCH WARRANT FOR BOASBERG BASED ON EXISTING -TERRORIST LAWS AND THE EMIES AND SEDITION ACT- AS THESE ACTIONS WERE AND ARE ALL TERRORIST ACTS IN VIOLATION OF THE P;ATRIOT ACT AS WELL --IN COMPUTING THE DEP;THS OF THIS CONSPIRACY TO " REPLACE DEMOCRAT VOTERS" WITH NEW VOTERS GIVEN DOLLAR RESOURCES, CLOTHES, TRAVEL FEES, SOCIAL SECUIRTY CARDS I.M.O WAS A MOVE INSTIGATED BY TGE DEMOCRAT PARTY WHICH JUST IN FRAUDULENT SOCIAL SECURITY CARDS SPENT A MINIMUM OF 9 TRILLION DOLLARS ( THE MATH IS CONSERVATIVE)the financial forensics are expected to exceed 20 trillion dollars) THERE WAS FAR MORE MONEY IN CIRCULATION THAN WAS DISCLOSED YELLEN COVERED BIDEN'S TRACKS AND SHOULL BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE-
MAYORKAS NEEDS BE DISBARRED AND TRIED FOR TREASON AS WELL AS MANY OTHERS
So in other words the judge that ordered the planes to be grounded had no jurisdiction to do so, so he cannot hold anyone in contempt since he should not have ordered anything! I was happy to see 2 TRUMPERS clear the contempt from Trump, but I want that JUDGE HELD IN CONTEMPT AND ETHICS INQUIRY SENT ON HIS OUTRAGEOUS ACTIONS! Let us turn the tables on that BLOWHARD!
we need to watch this and hope it holds...
this case is important on many fronts. I THINK this case will settle lots of questions
the issue is does the Trump administration have the basis to do what it did...Bush did lots re 911 and today we know we were abused and violated with Patriot act etc. and still we cannot undo it...what I find interesting is that some of the most biggest legal issues and crisis emerge in Republican administrations...we even faced it with COVID...wrongs done and another Republican administration...Biden may have continued lockdowns and rolled out the vaccine but it was brought under Trump...let us not forget. so I am happy this is being litigated...I want this answered properly...do not want any branch of govn to accrue too much power for man will always do what he is good at, abuse each other with that power...will always seek to accrue power, will maximally abuse the population and will never ever give it back unless we take it back at the polls and or courts.
A Democracy is of men.
A Republuc is of laws.
The laws of the Republic and not the man (Trump) dictate the illegal immigrants deportation.
The Democratic process does indeed elect representative men who very much bastardize the Republic form of govt (aka laws) we have... Biden was a case study of the grotesque bastardization that can occur.
agreed
eloquent
Very well stated!
Trump did not start lockdowns!! The states did...he gave them the choice. Not all States did lockdowns beyond the 2 weeks. Notice it was all BLUE states that kept it going? So no, don't go there with the Republican (Trump) started it...it was brought on by the DS & Big Pharma - Fauci et al via Obama. They didn't get him with Russia hoax, so had to go with event 201 etc. to get him out.
Mixed messages throughout that statement. We already knew what to do and did it in 2024. If you seriously think this is all about a Trump power grab, you have a screw loose. He's just trying to get the job done that we elected him to do and for the second time he is fighting the leviathon system. You know the one that wants depopulation, etc., etc.
The lower courts are overreaching...period.
Yes SCOTUS already ruled Boasberg did not have jurisdiction and sent it to the proper jurisdictions. This appeals court hasn't cleared the contempt, they want more time so only stayed the Judge's requirement for answers by Trump admin of 4/23. Basically, kicked the can down the road.
BOASBERG is involved in a criminal conspiracy to overthrow the government. His actions are seditious and treasonous. He needs to be arrested and tried, as well as permanently removed from the bench for bad behavior. It’s time to fight fire with fire. Pam Blondi needs to bring conspiracy charges and gather all communications and evidence proving the orchestrated plans…which will lead right to a Supreme Court justice.
This is all political. There is nothing legal about this. The wack job judge is operating out of his jurisdiction. He should be kicked out of the judiciary and disbarred.
this is developing, stayed tuned
The Circuit stayed the retarded Boasberg to yet again have him be told by SCOTUS his court HAS NO JURISDICTION. None. Therefore his subsequent quest to criminally go after the Trump admin and govt lawyers is so out in legal left field that its even more of an over reach than Boasberg's original TRO that was smacked down by SCOTUS.
He is a judicial two year old throwing tantrum. He has no authority to do anything on this case.
He is done. Period
I researched Boasberg's background
Boasberg was first appointed to the Bench by GW Bush and got promoted under Obama.
A Yale graduate, he was a member of Skull and Bones.
Boasberg may be loyal to Bibi.
Trump should ask permission of Bibi to have him reined in.
He was hand selected by John Epstein Roberts for the FISA Court. He also allowed the Biden DOJ to go after Trump after the Biden DOJ present knowing fraudulent evidence to the FISA Court.
He is Judicial Deep State... no different than Roberts. In order to perserve his Jurist legitimacy, Roberts shut down Boasberg TRO.... which ironically was the one thing Roberts got right.
Sounds about right.
Boasberg is loyal to Obama and O'Biden. Congress is who needs to rein him in. They know it and so does Trump.
Stay tuned?...where have you been? This was all reported on earlier in the week.
Impeachment H.Res. has been introduced & referred to judicial committees; 3/18/25
Removal H.Res. has been introduced and referred to the judicial committees 3/31/25
Congress is out until 4/28, most likely will address this then.
The Appeals Court is only giving themselves more time because Boasberg's order to Trump admin had a 4/23 answer date. It's apparent the Judicial Branch does not want to address Boasberg or have it go up to SCOTUS, so they are kicking the can down the road...for now.
The original order that sparked this chain of abuses was vacated. What justification does this wannabe dictator have in holding the elected president’s admin in contempt?
He doesn't...it's a to delay is to deny ploy.
Yep.
Exactly my question.
I have said it before and I will say it again. Do a forensic audit on these rouge judges. see who is giving the money and see how the money flows between family members and conflicts. IRS and FBI can be useful for a change.
The courts are corrupt. The entirety of the bureaucracy, Dem Party and half the GOP are corrupt. Ban NGOs, foreign lobbies , the WEF/WHO and hang Soros and Spawn, Bill Gates, Bloomberg, Fauci, Reid Hoffman , Brennan a a host of others for Treason in the public square. For starters.
WTF is the DOJ in all of this?
If you don't already know the answer to that question, you're a moron.
Boasberg is all fluff and stuff to hide his own criminal acts.
The key person to the rulings by Boasberg and SCOTUS is Garcia. Was he really accidentally sent to El Salvador? Or was his inclusion on the flight arranged in order to create an actionable case that could lead to a SCOTUS ruling that will stop or severely hinder Trump's agenda to deport millions of illegals, and their votes for Democrats? Garcia has been protected from legal consequences and deportation several times over years by judges and Democrat politicians. And now they are protesting far too much.
Boasberg has been caught ruling via a script provided to him by Democrat outsiders. He and Roberts are very familiar with each other, perhaps friends even. Boasberg has been assigned to key cases against the odds. His rulings seem desperate , frantic even, and often stretch the bounds of credulity, and the law.
A lot of money and power is on the line. Complex conspiracies should be expected.
What you have witnessed is the opposite of Democracy; What has happened in the USA is; The Civil Service are running the Country; they do this everyday; They like power; judges are now running the government? Normally you have a senior servant who passes down the order and directs the mass of civil servants under them; they take direction from the President team. This has not happened for decades?????
Democracy has been suspended and the people have been given the illusion of freedom while at the same time they have been taxed for it!!!
Judges are at the top of this pyramid and have special privileges and power given by the state . This judge is using his authority to subvert the constitution? By that I mean the presidency and his power and authority which is “special “; above all else. The judge is using his powers to impinge on governance of the state and that is where he steps outside his power?
I’m still waiting for the Trump
Admin to take action to debar him and still eating my popcorn!
Tell me if I’m wrong? But the
Trump Admin should be going after activists judges in government and Debar them !!!!
All Western countries have long established laws including bodies of case law that grant various legal rights to non-citizens such as tourists and even to illegal immigrants, such as the right not to be murdered, and other rights, and which enable illegal immigrants to challenge their deportations in the courts. It has long been accepted in all of these countries that the state must follow the constitution and abide by the rule of law.
It is exciting to see Americans challenging this orthodoxy and calling for the state to disregard the constitution and rule of law when dealing with illegal immigrants.
It's part of what makes America so wonderful and makes Americans such special people,
the issue is does the Trump administration have the basis to do what it did...Bush did lots re 911 and today we know we were abused and violated with Patriot act etc. and still we cannot undo it...what I find interesting is that some of the most biggest legal issues and crisis emerge in Republican administrations...we even faced it with COVID...wrongs done and another Republican administration...Biden may have continued lockdowns and rolled out the vaccine but it was brought under Trump...let us not forget. so I am happy this is being litigated...I want this answered properly...do not want any branch of govn to accrue too much power for man will always do what he is good at, abuse each other with that power...will always seek to accrue power, will maximally abuse the population and will never ever give it back unless we take it back at the polls and or courts.
Kilmar Abrego Garcia is a member of MS-13 who has MS-13 tattooed onto his knuckles, and who beat up his wife. It is understandable that the Trump Administration wanted him removed and does not want him brought back.
However, by declining to follow the constitution and the rule of law and by lawlessness, the Trump Administration sets a handy precedent.
There are many countries that are home to dangerous Americans who rape and murder and generally behave while abroad as if they were back in the States.
Although some Americans abroad may be good people it would nonethless be very handy for other countries if there was no need to follow the rule of law in getting rid of actual or suspected American vermin.
you raise an important point and the question then becomes will Us be able to stomach same...???? and if we went by that metric we can deport Hegseth, Andrew Tate e.g. people who beat women and have tatoos on their knuckles...and bodies and we can turn to the congress and senate and find many men sitting there...I hope MAGA and all and all who jump up and down know what we set in motion returns to us...we must therefore be careful of how much we will let Pandora put to play...
As I understand it, an American citizen cannot be deported from the United States. Formal definition: "Deportation, in legal terms, refers to the FORMAL REMOVAL OF A FOREIGN NATIONAL from a country, usually due to their illegal presence or other reasons deemed detrimental to the nation. This process involves being forced to leave the country, often back to their country of origin." (Emphasis added)
If Pete Hegseth has committed crimes, he can be tried and sentenced but not deported. As a dual US/UK citizen, Andrew Tate can also be tried and sentenced if he has committed crimes. It would be interesting to know if he could be deported to the UK.
I do suppose American citizens who commit treason who are found guilty after due process could be removed to Guantanamo or to Bukele's CECOT prison in El Salvador in lieu of capital punishment.
Here's how some of the International press are commenting on the matter:
"The argument here is not that Mr Garcia is definitely “fine and innocent”. It’s that the matter was never put before a court, and he never had the chance to defend himself. Whether he’s bad or good, to simplify it, is immaterial regarding the question of whether or not he deserves due process.
Put it this way: if all we need, to justify deporting someone to a prison overseas for the rest of his life, is the government’s word that he’s definitely a gang member. And if, once he’s been transferred to that jail, America’s legal position is that it has no power over him whatevoer; thus he is stuck there permanently. Then the Trump administration could seize anyone – absolutely anyone – chuck them onto a plane, and then be rid of them forever, without any judicial review.
It has been established, by multiple levels of America’s court system, including the very highest, that the deportation of Mr Garcia was illegal. And the government’s response is to say ………….. too bad. It’s just not in our hands anymore.
There is no reason that same logic could not be applied to the illegal deportation of someone who holds a visa for the US, or even an American citizen."
"These tattoos have been credulously reported, in some quarters, as “gang symbols”, with each supposedly representing one character of the MS-13 name. And the proof for this is ……. that Donald Trump said so.
God I really am repeating myself here. If the tattoos are gang-related, take it to court and prove it. If Mr Garcia is a gang member, present your proof to an immigration judge. What you cannot do is deport him to a foreign gulag without review, say “take our word for it”, and leave it there.
To demonstrate: imagine a Democratic presidency in 2029. Josh Shaprio is the president, maybe. He decides to crack down on white supremacists. His agents look at the tattoos of current Defence Secretary Pete Hegseth, and wrongly decide they’re beyond the pale. And deport him.
The courts say the government must return Mr Hegseth to the United States, because it deprived him of due process. And the Shapiro administration says nah, screw that, we’re going to leave him to rot.
How would the people currently supporting the detention of otherwise innocent people, in El Salvador, over ambiguous tattoos, react to that policy, from the other side? Not very bloody well. And they would be quite right.
Kilmar Albrego Garcia might be a bad guy. He might be a gang member. You and I don’t know, because whatever evidence the government insists it has still remains elusive. None of that has any bearing on the principle of due process."
I am truly sorry if my views appear harsh or unempathetic, but there must be limits to the appearance of altruism when it is contrived to undermine a Presidency that is acting in the best interests of the country rather than the best interests of dangerous illegal aliens and the Democrats and judges who support them for seditious motives.
When I lived for extended periods in France and Germany, I had formal permission for my stays and was ever mindful that I was a guest in my host country. I sought to abide by every law (and even every custom) expected of me. I also sought to be a good representative of my country. For the periods I was there, I sought to assimilate as well as possible. If I failed to honor those commitments, I would deserve to be expelled. I expect no less from a guest in my own country, whether they be legally welcome or seeking to 'fly under the radar' as illegals.
I am interested to read what the international press has to say on this matter - and others. As an American, though I try to be objective, I feel we are vulnerable to excessive criticism from all sources - often rightly so, often not. And it does hurt a bit to hear, especially when I disagree.
Summarizing my reaction to this specific Kilmar Abrego Garcia case:
1.) It seems an error may have been made since the gov't admits that. However, that admission may be legal posturing for some advantage.
2.) I feel confident that what you posted in your comment at the beginning of this thread is accurate. I also believe that offensive Americans who have committed crimes overseas SHOULD be expelled and deported back to the U.S. unless they must serve a sentence in their host country before deportation. The circumstances can be handled diplomatically, if necessary, and can include prisoner exchanges.
3.) Photos of Kilmar meeting with the grandstanding Senator from the state from which he was deported appear to confirm that he is not within the notorious prison where we have been led to believe he is incarcerated. Can anyone confirm his whereabouts? If he is not in prison, it would appear he is back in his home country where he belongs. He can move his wife and children to join him there. I suspect his wife is happy to be rid of the man who assaulted and threatened her and is even happier to serve as a (financially compensated?) tool of the press and the opposition party.
4.) I disagree with judges and with the ACLU who (apparently?) insist that every illegal alien, many of whom are Alien Enemies who deserve treatment and deportation under the Alien Enemies Act, have a constitutional right to due process. The notion that any illegal alien, whether individually or as a member of an organized gang or premeditated invading force, despite the severity of their threat to Americans' safety, deserves an individualized risk assessment before deportation just because they set foot upon American soil is untenable and administratively impossible. Enemy aliens' having been granted some specious, illegal permission to remain in the U.S. by a seditious Biden Administration should not justify the Democrats' desire to undermine a new administration from securing our borders and protecting our citizens.
5.) I wouldn't want anyone unjustly imprisoned for life but I do not believe the world should stop rotating because one clearly dangerous criminal was, mistakenly or not, removed from the U.S. and deported to a foreign prison (- or was he? We really don't have confirmation where he is).
6.) It is not the United States' mission or burden to assure that every criminal inhabitant of the world is protected from his enemy gang members wherever he may live in his homeland. If they are here illegally, they should be unceremoniuosly deported without due process which should be reserved for citizens and civilized individuals from civilized nations who have entered this country according to all the legal processes in place for legal immigration.
OMG...get a grip.
C'mon now...the Trump admin did follow the constitution and rule of law. It's the rogue judicial that are overreaching into Article II powers.
There's no doubt we have a lot of vermin here, but we don't need more from other countries to increase crime. We need to address this and then address the crazies that are here. Trump actually mentioned that, I think to put people who are raping, murdering, trafficking, etc. on notice.
There is no way to legally enter the USA illegally.
Tourism is not an illegal entry.
Enter illegally = always a crime = always automatic deportation.
In reality, the USA incentivized illegal immigration with the result that there are many millions of illegal immigrants in the US who were never deported automatically.
Just as tourists who entered legally have the right not to be murdered or otherwise treated contrary to law, so do the illegal immigrants that the US in its wisdom chose to import in vast numbers and to allow to stay for years and decades.
The US may have dumb laws and a dumb constitution (the US constitutional "right" of Americans (and perhaps of illegal immigrants ?) to sodomy, being but one example) but there is an argument that in that case the statutes that enshrine the dumb laws should be repealed or amended and the constitution changed and judicial precedent overturned as opposed to simply disregarding the dumb laws.
NGOs with USAID funding (money laundering) both incentivized and funded the en masse illegal immigration and the Feds simply ignored existing immigration laws.
Amending the Constitution or amending an Amendment is by design a real heavy lift.
BTW... if a US citizen murders and illegal immigrant then the US citizen will be charged with murder... or any other crime for that matter.
So illegal immigrants are "protected" via the Republic but the Republic dictates illegal entry-crime committed by the illegal immigrabt must be dealt with no differently than the US citizen's crime againt the illegal immigrant.
Both are protected by the Republic and both are punished by the Republic.
The Equal Clause of the Constitution is self evident and justly applied.
Doesn't apply in this case. These were all documented TdA or MS-13. They can challenge and were allowed to, but AEA overrides when they are a threat to our citizens. The state is following the constitution and abiding by the rule of law.
It's rogue "get Trump" judges that are not.