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Dr. Paul Alexander's avatar

go tell Ed Dowd that the data is not clear

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Dr. Paul Alexander's avatar

RFK Jr. is not anti-vaccine and I respect that.

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Dr. Paul Alexander's avatar

but his stance and actions now must be hard and tough on mRNA. no waffling and no language games. leave that to Trump orbit.

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Primum non nocere's avatar

Perhaps he is making the obligatory "newly minted HHS sec media rounds" without causing any initial waves.... then when the news cycle goes elsewhere, he will get to work. I am NOT making any excuses for RFK. If I was him, I would do the initial media blitzkrieg in the same manner...

BUT... after that... it would gloves off and gauntlet thrown down.

RFK has a very very very small grace period....

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Dr. Paul Alexander's avatar

very small, I love this post...I like him and fully disclosure we have talked and are talking. on a role for me. I will decide that too...I wont carry no water for Trump 2.0...his OWS failed and will say it as it is

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Dr. Paul Alexander's avatar

and I will fight Trump world on any new mRNA

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Primum non nocere's avatar

If you do get back to HHS, never forget... and remind RFK... the role of anyone entrusted in providing healthcare to another must be absolutely grounded in primum non nocere. Its not some random substack name I chose. Im fully vested in the concept and practice it professionally. It makes zippo difference if it is pathology, vaccine development or anything else. If you refuse to first do no harm, then you will cause harm.

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D Labi's avatar

RFK is not blanket anti vax, however, he is against the use of certain elements in vaccines, such as mercury. I am allergic to a preservative or disinfectant used in eye and nasal products. It is also used in vaccines. RFK wants real research and reporting on all vaccine side effects. This is not done today, as he has stated.

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Dr. Paul Alexander's avatar

yes

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Dr. Paul Alexander's avatar

The very first thing that needs to happen is for the 1986 National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act to be repealed and legal liability returned to the vaccine industry. Until then there will be no MAHA; only HaHa SSDD!

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That's because, unlike RFK Jr, you're not a bullshit artist and is one of the reasons why you will never be either POTUS or Secretary HHS. RFK Jr had to stay silent until he went through the confirmation process in the Senate and while going through it he had to bullshit like the job depended on it, which it does. RFK Jr, a former lawyer, is a skilled bullshit artist.

"Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others. - Groucho Marx"

Bullshitting May Indicate Higher Intelligence, Research Suggests

https://medium.com/@riyaramani/bullshitting-may-indicate-higher-intelligence-research-suggests-9560dee399d0

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Dr. Paul Alexander's avatar

he is a good an fundamentally...but IMO, I cant compromise my values and principles....he is on a short leash

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AJR's avatar

Yes, research suggests a tremendous amount as well as the data suggest a tremendous amount also.

I believe it’s more clear today where this mRNA is going. Unfortunately it’s not about those unsuspecting people who lined up for head start to the “promised land.”

For this, I cannot nor will I ever forget my friends, my 7 friends whose trust in those we were all supposed to trust in and believe in, “killed them!”

You make perfect sense Awake as always.

AJR

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Kathleen Taylor's avatar

An interesting study. Quoting:

"Lead researcher Mane Kara-Yakoubian suggests that more intelligent individuals might better understand when bullshitting is effective due to a heightened theory of mind." [My note: Reminds me that 'theory of mind' is postulated to be absent in Classic Autism where those afflicted appear to be unable to lie.]

"The study also observed a tendency among frequent bullshitters to be more susceptible to pseudo-profound, misleading information, aligning with findings from the British Journal of Social Psychology." [My note: Suggesting a reason why many college educated individuals fell prey to nonsensical 'protective' orders and mandates to allow themselves to be injected with experimental concoctions during "covid."

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Adriana's avatar

🤣👍🏻

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Dr. Paul Alexander's avatar

yes

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Dr. Paul Alexander's avatar

RFK jr should not allow Trump world top tarnish him, his legacy

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AwakeNotWoke's avatar

Asked if the mRNA vaccine was safe and if the boosters were safe he replied para roughly ~’we do not have enough data to make that call or we do not have good data on that'

What he probably means is that there are no longitudinal studies using experimental designs.

All we have is post hoc or retrospective or correlational data.

Inferring causation is very difficult.

I suggested to British mathematician Norman Fenton that he use structural equation modelling or path analysis to try to infer causation and he was interested but nothing seemed to come of it.

The critics say that what we call vaccine effects on morbidity and mortality measures are actually covid effects.

If people were followed up over 20 to 30 years after getting the shots or not getting the shots then there may be data on which it could be decided to pull or not pull the shots.

That's what I think RFK Jr may mean.

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Dr. Paul Alexander's avatar

I am losing patience...I AM about to go full EBM and tear them all up...I did not as to Bobby's statement...my skills are such I can make good look bad and bad look good...it is that niche and that steep...and that good...and I can tell you that this mRNA is deadly...even with the poor research thus far...and if anyone wishes to play legal then I will take them into my field...where they cannot thread. on these vaccines or the research...its even bullshit on early treatment if they want me to get stared

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AwakeNotWoke's avatar

You can go to the primary academic source article from there.

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He's just survived a bruising confirmation battle during which he came under fierce attack for allegedly being anti-vaxx.

Pulling the shots may be a job for his successors in future administrations decades or centuries in the future.

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Margaret Shattuck's avatar

Yeah, while millions more die from the poison shots. That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

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AwakeNotWoke's avatar

I'm not advocating for it Margaret and I agree with you. I'm just saying how I think things may pan out. I could be wrong. Ulltimately, RFK Jr works for President Trump, if not the American people. Do you think the administration appears to be keen to pull the shots?

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Monty McCurry's avatar

Probably trying to avoid assassination, there is virtually no question, regardless of his or Malone’s dancing around the subject - Edward Dowd’s group has and has presented the data.

I, too, watched the interview, and while skillfully dancing around the subject, avoiding an outright lie, anyone paying attention over the last 4 years knows it is BS.

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Dr. Paul Alexander's avatar

boom

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Kathleen Taylor's avatar

If avoiding assassination is his goal, he does not belong on the national stage. But I do not believe that is his motivation.

I'd prefer he find a more clever and honest way to equivocate and to delay answering the all-important questions about the covid jabs. Maybe Dr. Alexander can help him with that by putting the words into his mouth. There should be a way to diplomatically sidestep this issue temporarily without entirely disappointing his adoring supporters who got him to where he is today. (Despite my relief he was confirmed, I'm not one of his adoring fans.)

I remain skeptical of his ability to negotiate this minefield alone but I also believe he seems to be too arrogant to know when he needs to seek guidance from real experts who know more than he does w/r/t various matters outside his own mastery.

I consider him a 'people-pleaser' with a tendency to flip-flop or sit on the fence when challenged publicly.

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AwakeNotWoke's avatar

You are perhaps somewhat harsh on RFK Jr but nonetheless quite an astute judge of character. He indeed does seem to have a tendency to flip-flop or sit on the fence when challenged publicly and perhaps is a people-pleaser. It may in part be why he has gotten as far as he has. I doubt he'd have been confirmed if he was not a bullshit artist who flip flops and sits on the fence when challenged publicly. He had to win over the RINOS in the senate as well as the more reasonable republicans and in the end he did that, although he couldn't get McConnell on side.

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Kathleen Taylor's avatar

Yes! I don't disagree with any of your points. It's important and relevant for you to have added them.

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AwakeNotWoke's avatar

I was impressed by RFK Jr's acceptance speech. Here it is in case you haven't seen it. There was not much to not like here.

RFK Jr Acceptance Speech

https://youtu.be/ilX8M39yru0

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Kathleen Taylor's avatar

Thank you for the link, ANW. I look forward to watching his speech in full, having only heard snippets (and being aware that fake news muted his voice while they talked critically over the silenced live coverage).

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Eleftherios Gkioulekas's avatar

Agree!

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Mabel Lean's avatar

Personally I think Trump tapped RFKJr for HHS to shut him up. Looking more and more like this.

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AwakeNotWoke's avatar

It's called Realpolitik. But you need to stop believing bullshit. You can probably access this book "Believing Bullshit" by British philosopher Stephen Law from a free online library. In it he has an interesting discussion on GW Bush and Joe Biden when he was a Senator with regard to the Iraq War. Remember that millions of Americans proved themselves to be gullible, credulous suckers when fed bullshit by Bush. You can apply the information in this book to gain an understanding of RFK Jr's behavior.

Believing Bullshit - Stephen Law

https://archive.org/details/believingbullshi0000laws/mode/1up

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Mabel Lean's avatar

Read Jeremiah 17

Who is cursed?

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Adriana's avatar

Is pressured.

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Mary's avatar

The Dems are so up in arms about him being anti-vax I think this was a smart move on his part. I believe he will “evaluate the data” and then come back with the conclusive PROOF that the MRNA vaxxes are deadly.

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Dr. Paul Alexander's avatar

there is nothing to evaluate and based on his own past work

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Mary's avatar

I’m not sure what you mean? Isn’t there a ton of data that shows the VAXes are deadly?

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Dee's avatar

I agree but he has to be able to get all the data he was not able to get as a ordinary citizen and prove it. That way it would be harder to attack. Yes dowd has it, Naomi wolfe has it, and so on. Let's allow him to do his job, first.

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Eleftherios Gkioulekas's avatar

I am not 100% up to speed, but I kind of recall something about reconciling death records and vaccination records since 2021 as an approach that would provide the direct evidence (we obviously do have the mechanistic and parallel evidence and even some direct evidence). My view is that the mechanistic evidence is damning alone, but may not enough to convince pigheaded idiots.

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Eleftherios Gkioulekas's avatar

They claim they did that, so one can argue over the interpretation of existing evidence, or provide decisive new evidence against. As long as they stop giving this to children, I will not feel psychologically depressed if democrat voters that are still in favor of mandates continue taking them. But in terms of doing the right, it is accurate that the right course of action is to pull them off the market. That solves the immediate problem. However to prevent this from happening all over again, a minimum of systematic and unambiguous discrediting of previous decisions is needed, and more data can have a useful role for that broader problem. We want to win the war, not just this battle.

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AwakeNotWoke's avatar

He could be aiming for data from longitudinal studies. They may need to run for 20 or 30 years.

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Mary's avatar

Awake? Is that a podcast?

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Larry Arnold's avatar

Just maybe his strategy is to let his own agency (FDA) pull them later this month when they are expected to comment on their study which shows the vaccines are full of DNA fragments that cause cancer. We can hope…….

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Dr. Paul Alexander's avatar

more 5 D?

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Dr. Paul Alexander's avatar

he knows its unsafe. the data and studies are there.

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Dee's avatar

No not 5D but common sense. If the enemy can cause uncertainty in the public eye then he loses credibility. He needs to officially study and then disclose.

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Margaret Shattuck's avatar

RFK has already done the research. It's in his book "The REAL Anthony Fauci". He doesn't need any more.

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Dee's avatar

It's not a book but rather working through a systematic process and getting it through a formal process. He now represents millions now plus a cabal who will NEVER roll over no matter how wrong they were and are.

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Larry Arnold's avatar

It’s what I’d do. Save my big spear for when I have to use it and get the agency to correct one of its most biggest mistakes and act in the public interest…. Win, win

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Larry Arnold's avatar

Hopefully

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Dr. Paul Alexander's avatar

hopefully he speaks out or that the data is there? thats another issue, no study except weaker observational ones can be conducted now based on secondarily held data...there is no virus or anything in baseline population to detect any meaningful differences. its all BS. you will need to enroll the entire USA to find the statistical power needed to detect differences

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Larry Arnold's avatar

100 percent agree. With luck RFK can let the FDA do their intended job and pull the mRNA products from the market as a result of their own study that shows the DNA fragment level in the mRNA causes cancer. See Slay news from yesterday.

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Henrietta Sharp's avatar

Maybe once everyone is dead that took the poison they'll get pulled from the market?

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Jorge Fernandez's avatar

Delighted that RFK, Jr. is there, now I'm waiting for the first action of substance and permanence. I'll hold off all celebrations until that happens.

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Dr. Paul Alexander's avatar

I get you...FOX interview was not that. I have hope.

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Jorge Fernandez's avatar

I too have "hope", but truth be told I'm sick and tired of having only hope and empty promises. I want *ACTION* - action of substance and permanence, not something trivial and/or temporary that'll be reversed as soon as the next administration comes in.

There's only one major nomination that I'm waiting for - Kash Patel. The clock starts rolling the very same day that Patel is in. Then we'll know what we're in for.

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Mabel Lean's avatar

Jeremiah 17

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Sophie Bertrand's avatar

Good comment. So far he did not mention existing studies PROVING the lethal side of the covid jab. He has sufficient proof to stop most childhood vaccines; I wonder about the day he'll announce: "look folks, studies are out there: thousands if not millions have died or were injured from the covid vax. Sudden deaths, adults and babies are due to vaxx, turbo cancers and autism as well.". Anyways, he'll have plenty of time to convince people fast food is bad for one's health, taking out chemicals from food and rehabilitating addicts before tackling the vaxx issues.

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Dr. Paul Alexander's avatar

I trust him, let us see...larger forces holding him down

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Dee's avatar

They'll poo poo that in the media. 50% of the population believed Fauci. The media hid that under oath he lied. RFK knows this machine better than any of us. He MUST get a few that the other side trust to openly admit the danger of MRNA plus expose the hypocrisy of those being bought to keep from being marginalized. We already know. Those Fauci sycophants got to be convinced. It's a steep hill.

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Dee's avatar

*under oath he admitted he lied.

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Sludge's avatar

So far the only person who has said the cold hard truth on live mainstream TV is Steve Kirsch, and he basically had to trick Fox into thinking he was talking about something else to get on air.

https://odysee.com/@SubversionDiversion:8/SteveKirsch-TruthBombs-FoxNews-20220811:8

They didn't invite him back after this.

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CommonNonSense's avatar

I hope Dr. Paul that you can have his ear regularly.

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Nnikk's avatar

I think it's as obvious to Bobbie-J(r) as it is to all of us, that are looking, how deadly unsafe the jab (and all mRNA intramuscular injections) are--but that's the problem: most of the world isn't looking still (incredible as that seems) and I believe that the only successful strategy at this moment is to line up all the ducks before taking a carefully aimed rifle shot. The powers and interests that have been behind the kill shot are not to be underestimated and are keenly waiting for one "false step" (mis-step?) by the man to shoot him down in the still powerful propaganda mill. The situation is rapidly evolving under the Trump admin and change is happening fast so we might certainly anticipate that that "right moment" to strike could come sooner than later. And it might actually take place by incremental movements. If RFKjr had declared in the Oval office immediately upon swearing in that the whole plandemic was a fraud, do you really think the world of (false) consensus wouldn't have buried him and set back Trump's momentum possibly to a fatal degree. Grow up folks, and of course don't take any jabs meanwhile. Personally, I can't imagine any jabs becoming mandatory at this point unless Trump is undermined by a fatal strategic mistake. Remember, the world has in reality always been a self-responsibility zone. Don't expect government to be utopian overnight. That was the Liberal democratic false promise, remember?

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iwalkalone's avatar

I don’t think I want the government in my health records. 1% sounds about right to me. 1000 deaths per month from COVID shots in 2021 was 1%. Surely that’s enough to get them removed from the market in any sane world. The word surveillance is a big red flag to me.

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Brent Rice's avatar

TBH, RFK had to cross his fingers under the table when he was answering questions during his hearing. It's too soon for him to flip, and when he does he must back up his change of 'opinion' with concrete facts & studies He's up an army of corrupt vicious killers worse than the Wagner group. Give him time to settle in, clean house and hire a loyal staff of like minded people to cover his backside.

BTW, the vaccines are not mentioned in President Trump's MAHA order.

-Patience is a virtue,

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Nnikk's avatar

Yes, the world these public figures operate in isn't one of simply nice polite boyscouts. If you (as in "one", not you personally, Brent) don't think the ghouls behind the shit show aren't waiting to pounce with their bared blades at any oppurtunity given, you could be in for a big surprise.

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Adrian Foley's avatar

I think when replying that we don’t have enough data I believe he meant we will need a fully sanctioned study to reach a result we can present to skeptics.

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Proberta's avatar

I am excited because I suspect that the Evil will stop the lobotomizing children's vaxxine protocols and make it look like Donny&Bobby are actually doing something against Big Pharmacide, because of the infertility mechanism in the vaxxines there isn't going to be a big market for children's vaxxines. So no big financial loss to Big Pharmacide, as long as they can evade liability.

To finally stop the lobotomizing children's vaxxine protocols would be a victory any way we can get it.

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Sean's avatar

Not sure he misspoke

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Sharon sivori's avatar

Dr. Paul, as everyone has stated before, the VAERS WAS NEVER EVER PROPERLY RUN, HARDLY ANYONE FILLED OUT AN OVERLY TIME CONSUMING REPORT. NURSES WERE DELEGATED THIS JOB BECAUSE DOCTORS WHOSE PATIENT IT WAS WERE TOO LAZY TO DO IT. THAT IS MY READ! I may be biased since I was a nurse and know how these things run. Many doctors and nurses I think were afraid to fill them out and buck the system and possibly lose their jobs! Remember the threats! I feel there really is enough data out there to condemn the vax but RFK is going to have to dig through the crap hidden to find the truth.

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