smoke? But I think Trump made bone-headed decisions to hang around with Epstein & crowd but did not commit any crimes with 11-year-old girls that others did; Musk was DONE moment he tweeted below
I think that Epstein was working for Israeli intelligence to blackmail rich/powerful men like Bill Clinton, Bill Gates, etc. by filming them have sex with underage girls. Then, when our greatest ally ever needs something, like US taxpayer money, weapons, or political cover, they can call up one of the rich/powerful men that they blackmailed and say something like...We need this and that, and it would be a shame if that video of you with the underage girl were to come out.
Congratulations! Both of you have lurched convulsively onto the truth. Maxwell is an agent of Mossad, as was her father. But, Mossad is not acting alone. MI6 and the CIA are also involved. Behind it all is ... wait for it ... the World Economic Forum.
By the way, Trump did NOT "hang around with Epstein". Epstein placed himself in the circles of the elite, especially in Palm Beach. Trump banned him from his properties, and also outbid him for another property Epstein was trying to buy. Epstein disliked Trump for that.
yes they seemed to have a friendship but the key is a friendship does not make you alike your friend...I have people in my circles in US gov I am sure molest their pets...they are so vile and repulsive as people...I know them in gov...I dont even own a pet.
There is a big difference between close friends for 15 years versus "people in my circles." Close friends share more in common. Close friends is downright creepy when Trump admiringly commented that Epstein, "Likes 'em young."
Men in all cultures are attracted to women who are young and beautiful, because youth and beauty are indicators of fertility. There is no culture on earth in which men are attracted to the opposite. This is far more valued by men than by women, in general. However, an 11 year old, and the others that Epstein preyed upon were not women. They were children. I can see just by looking at Epstein's photo that he was/is a creep, but maybe others couldn't.
They could tell too. They wanted to screw his little girls. Sad but true.
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The real story here is not pedophilia. Pedophilia is the m.o. honey-trap but blackmailing the entrapped for life was the motive. The top of the pyramid are the real criminals.
How much in American government and industry has been done on account of blackmail? And for how long?
He said he banned him from Mar-a-Lago. He also said, I think, that Epstein was taking his employees and that's why he stopped seeing him. Was the dispute about the property before or after he banned him from Mar-a-Lago?
My understanding is that Trump and Epstein had the dispute regarding the property that they were both bidding on in 2004 (which Trump ended up getting), and that Trump banned Epstein from Mar-a-Lago around 2007.
There are reports that he disassociated himself from Epstein after Epstein came under investigation. There seems to be inconsistent information with regard to a verifiable timeline.
The last one‼️how about none of the victims including the recent murdered witness, Virginia Guffre , all said Trump was never at the mansions or the island.
How do you know what all of the Epstein/Maxwell victims said?
I doubt you because that is obviously impossible.
For example, nobody was ever there all of the time so nobody could legitimately say something so definitive.
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This is not all about Trump, notwithstanding your severe case of Trump Adoration Syndrome, Just-the-Tip.
Someone/thing bank-rolled Epstein/Maxwell's pedo honey-traps in New Mexico, Manhattan, Palm Springs, Little St. James and the Lolita Express. Their motive wasn't pedophilia. Their motive was blackmailing America's most powerful men for the very rest of their lives. And, with thousands of young girls as victims, business was obviously gang-busters.
The expression says that where there's smoke, there's fire.
QUESTIONS: How much "smoke" is there in this Epstein saga? [TONS!] For how long? [OVER 25 YEARS!!] How many names? [BETWEEN VICTIMS AND PERPETRATORS, THERE ARE **THOUSANDS** OF NAMES!!!]. Lastly, given all that background, would Trump want to distance himself from the whole thing? [YOU BET YOUR A$$ HE DOES!!!!] To anyone fairly cognitive, no more need be said.
This article is consistent with the observations of Virginia (Roberts) Giuffre. Virginia worked at Mar-a-Lago, where she was groomed by Epstein and later trained by Gislane Maxwell. Virginia quickly became Epstein's favorite "sex slave" and lived with him on Orgy Island for two years. On one occasion, she met Bill Clinton on the Island. Epstein had provided two "olive skinned" beauties from NY City. That night, Orgy Island service just one customer. It was just the five of them at dinner. Epstein sat at the head of the table with the NY girls to one side and the ex-president along with Virginia on the other. Clinton sat next to Epstein where the two could converse and the ex-president could get a good look at his dessert. Later that night, Clinton and the NY girls retired to a "private" bungalow. Of course, Virginia does not know exactly what happened in that bungalow. She was too busy tending to Epstein. She was, however, quite certain that the ex-president did not fly to Orgy Island for the scenery.
Virginal also once met Donald Trump at one of Epstein's other mansions (not Orgy Island). Epstein tried to entice the future president, and so did other sickos. They offered Trump his pick of the beautiful, young gals in attendance. Trump politely refused, often adding "you guys got the life." Trump made a hasty retreat. He knew it was a "Honey Trap". He was taught by his father and grandfather that he would have to deal with the Deep State and its sick, rich pedophiles if he wished to do well in America. Trump knew if he accepted the Deep State’s young offerings, he would be their slave forever. This sort of thing has been going on for many, many years. US military officers warned about honey traps. They are common around the world.
The biggest no brainer is that ANY DEMOCRAT WOULD HAVE ALREADY USED BLACKMAIL TO STOP TRUMP FROM BEING ELECTED PRESIDENT AND STAYING IN OFFICE FOR 4 YEARS‼️🇨🇦
Right. There is no sense investigating the truth when one can simply stumble through life as a no-brainer like you, Just-the-Tip.
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You've no idea what you're talking about, btw. Demonrats and Republicans are the two sides of the same coin. Your assumptions of how DC really works are comical.
Using your logic, Hillary should have served 8 years by now, right?
There has to be a certain level of intelligence here when looking at Epstein's case.
1) Trump kicked Epstein out of Mar Largo . If there's blackmail to be used then why didn't Epstein use it?
2) Trump arranged for Epstein to be arrested in 2005 . Is this the actions of a man worried about blackmail?
3) Trumps former lawyer came forward Cohen, who hates Trump, and said he never hear the name Epstein ever while working with Trump, never heard of any trips to the Island, never heard of an visits by Epstein to Trump's office or Trump to visit Epstein.
Of course Trump is in the fines as he's the one who got Epstein arrested in Florida.
1) How do you know that he didn't? Further, you obviously don't understand how Mossad works. Epstein/Maxwell ran the honey-pot. Their superiors did the blackmailing.
2) How on earth did Trump do that in 2005? Link please.
3) That is bizarre circumstantial evidence but ok ...
Trump and Epstein were close for, like, 15 years, Just-the-Tip. That's a fact no matter how much Cohen hates Trump.
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Clearly it is common sense to investigate the truth. D'uh.
Your Trump Adoration Syndrome is clouding your common sense.
Here's a thought no one ever says , or maybe it's my thought alone,,, Looking at the picture of POTUS,FLOTUS, EPSTEIN &MAXWELL , FLOTUS ALMOST seems to be leaning back on Epstein. Is it possible , FLOTUS WAS BEING TRAFFICKED ?? I KNOW she has become a US Citizen. I just wondered if anyone else thought the same .
Absolutely. We've referred to it for centuries as "investigation."
Let the truth emerge. Prosecute the guilty and exonerate those who broke no laws.
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More important than prosecuting the pedo guilty, however, is to prosecute the top of the pyramid. Who* ran this pedo honey-trap tp gather blackmail videos and what did they use this blackmail to attain?
Kurt Metzger has a good take - he thinks it's more than just blackmail, technology discussions as well if you look at the scientists that visited Epstein Island.
We do not know if Trump did what Epstein did or not, but we do see his frantic attempt of stopping the evidence from getting out. That tells me all I need to know. Why hide something so heinous and the people who are doing it, if you were not a part of it?
Even going as far as pardoning a prolific child r*per/trafficker, which I am sure he is going to do as long as she agrees to keep his name out of it. We are being played.
I think that Epstein was working for Israeli intelligence to blackmail rich/powerful men like Bill Clinton, Bill Gates, etc. by filming them have sex with underage girls. Then, when our greatest ally ever needs something, like US taxpayer money, weapons, or political cover, they can call up one of the rich/powerful men that they blackmailed and say something like...We need this and that, and it would be a shame if that video of you with the underage girl were to come out.
very troubling
I am beginning to think same
Of course. Now it seems like it was Maxwell who was in charge, and was Epstein's "handler". She was the Mossad connection.
hhhmmm
Congratulations! Both of you have lurched convulsively onto the truth. Maxwell is an agent of Mossad, as was her father. But, Mossad is not acting alone. MI6 and the CIA are also involved. Behind it all is ... wait for it ... the World Economic Forum.
hhhmmm
Bang Bang Maxwell Silver Hammer's daughter.
hhhmmm
By the way, Trump did NOT "hang around with Epstein". Epstein placed himself in the circles of the elite, especially in Palm Beach. Trump banned him from his properties, and also outbid him for another property Epstein was trying to buy. Epstein disliked Trump for that.
you are on the money
Uh ... they were very close for, like, 15 years, Dave.
Trump Adoration Syndrome is a horrible malady.
yes they seemed to have a friendship but the key is a friendship does not make you alike your friend...I have people in my circles in US gov I am sure molest their pets...they are so vile and repulsive as people...I know them in gov...I dont even own a pet.
this is why I give Trump clearance unless we learn conclusive otherwise
Clearance shmearance. Yes, innocent until proven guilty but a thorough investigation is obviously in order.
There are photos of you with, or in the vicinity of, Malone, unless I'm mistaken.
There is a big difference between close friends for 15 years versus "people in my circles." Close friends share more in common. Close friends is downright creepy when Trump admiringly commented that Epstein, "Likes 'em young."
Men in all cultures are attracted to women who are young and beautiful, because youth and beauty are indicators of fertility. There is no culture on earth in which men are attracted to the opposite. This is far more valued by men than by women, in general. However, an 11 year old, and the others that Epstein preyed upon were not women. They were children. I can see just by looking at Epstein's photo that he was/is a creep, but maybe others couldn't.
They could tell too. They wanted to screw his little girls. Sad but true.
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The real story here is not pedophilia. Pedophilia is the m.o. honey-trap but blackmailing the entrapped for life was the motive. The top of the pyramid are the real criminals.
How much in American government and industry has been done on account of blackmail? And for how long?
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Hint: It rhymes with "Shmoe Saad."
After being friends and hanging out regularly for years, Trump and Epstein had a dispute over a property and didn't hang out anymore after that.
hhhmmm
He said he banned him from Mar-a-Lago. He also said, I think, that Epstein was taking his employees and that's why he stopped seeing him. Was the dispute about the property before or after he banned him from Mar-a-Lago?
My understanding is that Trump and Epstein had the dispute regarding the property that they were both bidding on in 2004 (which Trump ended up getting), and that Trump banned Epstein from Mar-a-Lago around 2007.
There are reports that he disassociated himself from Epstein after Epstein came under investigation. There seems to be inconsistent information with regard to a verifiable timeline.
bad bad people
they ate all filthy sick twisted demonic pedophiles
The last one‼️how about none of the victims including the recent murdered witness, Virginia Guffre , all said Trump was never at the mansions or the island.
important
How do you know what all of the Epstein/Maxwell victims said?
I doubt you because that is obviously impossible.
For example, nobody was ever there all of the time so nobody could legitimately say something so definitive.
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This is not all about Trump, notwithstanding your severe case of Trump Adoration Syndrome, Just-the-Tip.
Someone/thing bank-rolled Epstein/Maxwell's pedo honey-traps in New Mexico, Manhattan, Palm Springs, Little St. James and the Lolita Express. Their motive wasn't pedophilia. Their motive was blackmailing America's most powerful men for the very rest of their lives. And, with thousands of young girls as victims, business was obviously gang-busters.
We need the truth. Trump be damned.
@Three and Two LET THE CHIPS FALL WHERE THEY MAY. IM IN TOTAL AGREEMENT THERE! WE DESERVE THE TRUTH.
preach
The expression says that where there's smoke, there's fire.
QUESTIONS: How much "smoke" is there in this Epstein saga? [TONS!] For how long? [OVER 25 YEARS!!] How many names? [BETWEEN VICTIMS AND PERPETRATORS, THERE ARE **THOUSANDS** OF NAMES!!!]. Lastly, given all that background, would Trump want to distance himself from the whole thing? [YOU BET YOUR A$$ HE DOES!!!!] To anyone fairly cognitive, no more need be said.
again you are hovering on target
Yeah, it's a humongous cover-up, starting at the very top. Sigh .............................
Trump Explains Why He Kicked Epstein Out Of Mar-a-Lago; Turned Down Invite To Pedo Island
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/trump-explains-why-he-kicked-epstein-out-mar-lago-turned-down-invite-pedo-island
This article is consistent with the observations of Virginia (Roberts) Giuffre. Virginia worked at Mar-a-Lago, where she was groomed by Epstein and later trained by Gislane Maxwell. Virginia quickly became Epstein's favorite "sex slave" and lived with him on Orgy Island for two years. On one occasion, she met Bill Clinton on the Island. Epstein had provided two "olive skinned" beauties from NY City. That night, Orgy Island service just one customer. It was just the five of them at dinner. Epstein sat at the head of the table with the NY girls to one side and the ex-president along with Virginia on the other. Clinton sat next to Epstein where the two could converse and the ex-president could get a good look at his dessert. Later that night, Clinton and the NY girls retired to a "private" bungalow. Of course, Virginia does not know exactly what happened in that bungalow. She was too busy tending to Epstein. She was, however, quite certain that the ex-president did not fly to Orgy Island for the scenery.
Virginal also once met Donald Trump at one of Epstein's other mansions (not Orgy Island). Epstein tried to entice the future president, and so did other sickos. They offered Trump his pick of the beautiful, young gals in attendance. Trump politely refused, often adding "you guys got the life." Trump made a hasty retreat. He knew it was a "Honey Trap". He was taught by his father and grandfather that he would have to deal with the Deep State and its sick, rich pedophiles if he wished to do well in America. Trump knew if he accepted the Deep State’s young offerings, he would be their slave forever. This sort of thing has been going on for many, many years. US military officers warned about honey traps. They are common around the world.
The biggest no brainer is that ANY DEMOCRAT WOULD HAVE ALREADY USED BLACKMAIL TO STOP TRUMP FROM BEING ELECTED PRESIDENT AND STAYING IN OFFICE FOR 4 YEARS‼️🇨🇦
Right. There is no sense investigating the truth when one can simply stumble through life as a no-brainer like you, Just-the-Tip.
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You've no idea what you're talking about, btw. Demonrats and Republicans are the two sides of the same coin. Your assumptions of how DC really works are comical.
Using your logic, Hillary should have served 8 years by now, right?
There has to be a certain level of intelligence here when looking at Epstein's case.
1) Trump kicked Epstein out of Mar Largo . If there's blackmail to be used then why didn't Epstein use it?
2) Trump arranged for Epstein to be arrested in 2005 . Is this the actions of a man worried about blackmail?
3) Trumps former lawyer came forward Cohen, who hates Trump, and said he never hear the name Epstein ever while working with Trump, never heard of any trips to the Island, never heard of an visits by Epstein to Trump's office or Trump to visit Epstein.
Of course Trump is in the fines as he's the one who got Epstein arrested in Florida.
Where has common sense gone? 🇨🇦
1) How do you know that he didn't? Further, you obviously don't understand how Mossad works. Epstein/Maxwell ran the honey-pot. Their superiors did the blackmailing.
2) How on earth did Trump do that in 2005? Link please.
3) That is bizarre circumstantial evidence but ok ...
Trump and Epstein were close for, like, 15 years, Just-the-Tip. That's a fact no matter how much Cohen hates Trump.
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Clearly it is common sense to investigate the truth. D'uh.
Your Trump Adoration Syndrome is clouding your common sense.
Saw this pic years ago. Did you see the pic of Prince Andrew walking with Epstein?
yes
Epstein and Maxwell were at Chelsea Clinton's wedding. Now there's friendship for ya.
Well, I saw Lon Chaney walkin' with the Queen
Doin' the werewolves of London
Worse - how about the pic of old Prince Andrew at Epstein's place posing with minor Virginia like they were a couple.
THE LURE OF CLANDESTINE SEX WITH BEAUTIFUL YOUNG GIRLS MUST HOLD A SPECIAL
MAGNETISM TO RICH AND POWERFUL MEN WITH HAGS FOR A WIFE-
Slick Willy, Gates of He'll?
WELL; HE HAS A FUCKING NOISY HAG!
Here's a thought no one ever says , or maybe it's my thought alone,,, Looking at the picture of POTUS,FLOTUS, EPSTEIN &MAXWELL , FLOTUS ALMOST seems to be leaning back on Epstein. Is it possible , FLOTUS WAS BEING TRAFFICKED ?? I KNOW she has become a US Citizen. I just wondered if anyone else thought the same .
Any one linked to EPSTEIN/MAXWELL etc should be looked on as dodgy satanic perfidious feckers!?
Absolutely. We've referred to it for centuries as "investigation."
Let the truth emerge. Prosecute the guilty and exonerate those who broke no laws.
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More important than prosecuting the pedo guilty, however, is to prosecute the top of the pyramid. Who* ran this pedo honey-trap tp gather blackmail videos and what did they use this blackmail to attain?
*Hint: It rhymes with "Shmoe Saad."
Kurt Metzger has a good take - he thinks it's more than just blackmail, technology discussions as well if you look at the scientists that visited Epstein Island.
He was funding biolabs in Ukraine as well as supplying kids to US elites.
We do not know if Trump did what Epstein did or not, but we do see his frantic attempt of stopping the evidence from getting out. That tells me all I need to know. Why hide something so heinous and the people who are doing it, if you were not a part of it?
Even going as far as pardoning a prolific child r*per/trafficker, which I am sure he is going to do as long as she agrees to keep his name out of it. We are being played.
What appears most likely should be regarded as such until contrary evidence disproves it.
The way this has unfolded reinforces the likelihood.