Primum non nocere's stack raises a key troubling point about the gun used to kill Charlie Kirk raising questions as to who was the shooter? Question by Primum: "How did the assassin's rifle get off

the roof? The alleged shooter does NOT have the rifle when he escapes off the roof. Here is why it matters and it is NOT a trivial issue." support this stack, good work by Primum

The absence of the rifle in the video is a HUGE deal. A REALLY BIG DEAL.

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Yes, Tyle was on the roof. He was politically against everything for which Kirk stood. Angry. Radicalized. He was aware that there was going to be an attempt on Kirk's life, was part of a broader conspiracy to kill Kirk and was tasked with retrieving the rifle from the woods. But he did not shoot Kirk. He did not have the rifle on the roof before, during or after Kirk was killed. Just because he wants to take credit and martyr himself, does not make him the shooter. It makes him a troubled young man who got wrapped up in a conspiracy to kill Charlie Kirk. He may be guilty of a host of other crimes related to the death of Kirk, but he did not shoot Kirk because he did not have the assassin's weapon on his person when he was on the roof. ".... If I was on the jury I could not vote to convict him of shooting Kirk. I ABSOLUTELY would vote to convict him on all the other charges. But not for shooting Kirk.

I want justice for the Kirk family. We MUST have justice for the Kirk family. The rifle issue MUST be explained. And fast. Other leads grow colder by the day.

The FBI has repeatedly stated that they will charge everyone involved.

Fine.

Then go find the shooter and charge them too.

How did the assassin's rifle get off the roof? The alleged shooter does NOT have the rifle when he escapes off the roof. Here is why it matters and it is NOT a trivial issue.

‘The fact that the video evidence released by the FBI does NOT show the alleged shooter has the rifle either while running on the roof or descending from the roof is a BIG deal. Not from a tin foil hat point of view but from a "reasonable doubt" legal issue. When he goes to trial he MUST be convicted beyond a reasonable doubt. That is how our Constitutional Republic works. We are NOT... I say again... NOT a democracy. If we were, then the mob (aka democratic process) would have already hung the shooter in the town square. Since we are a Constitutional Republic, of Laws not men, then he will be tried under the law, not by public opinion or vote (Democracy).

So the absence of the rifle is a big deal. How did the rifle get to the woods since he does not have it while running away?

Don't care that his "DNA" is on the rifle. It is from his family and he likely has touched it in the past. It was his Grandpa's according to reports so is his grandpa's DNA on the rifle? His dad's? Anyone else? Are you beginning to see why the rifle issue is a big deal?

Don't care that his DNA is on the towel wrapping the rifle. It was his towel. There should be DNA on it. Anyone else have access to the towel? The towel was not in a secure location. Was there other DNA on the towel? You’re begining to see the issue, aren’t you?

Don't care about the text messages between shooter and his roommate either. The older guy who was immediately detained by police said "that he shot Kirk" but upon investigation that was not true. The guy was NOT charged with shooting Kirk even though "he admitted he did shoot Kirk". Why is Tyler Robinson no different? What if he simply knew about the shooting in advance and got up on the roof to watch? No different than all the people in the crowd cheering after the shot. Yeah, likely he can be convicted of all kinds of other things, but not shooting Kirk. He was only watching and after the shooting is trying to take credit for it…. just like the old guy tried to do. Are you beginning to see the reasonable doubt hole so big you can drive a truck through it?

The absence of the rifle in the video is a HUGE deal. A REALLY BIG DEAL.

Going back to the FBI video of the shooter running across the roof. At the "zero second" mark when the video begins, the shooter is already in the video upright and running. He is adjacent to the large ventilation duct. When cross referenced with aerial view of the building, that duct is in very close proximity to the alleged sniper position. Until the 12:23:50 mark, he is on the roof AND without the rifle. When he lands on the ground, there is NO rifle. Further, when looking at other videos that have captured the roof top from the ground level vantage point, it shows the shooter running immediately after the shot.... WITHOUT A RIFLE. So within seconds, the shooter was picked up by the rear security camera video shown by the FBI. No rifle is any where in the video.

Could he have dropped the rifle off the roof and gone and retrieved it from the ground level? Nope.

If you look at the top view and side view of the building as well as the video from the FBI showing him running within seconds of the shot directly to the back corner of the building, there is literally no time to simply drop the rifle off the roof AND the ONLY place to actually drop the rifle off the roof without dropping it among the fleeing crowd or in full view of everyone at the front or sides of the building... is the rear of the building. Problem with that is that the FBI video shows him running almost the entire length of the building WITHOUT THE RIFLE.

Moreover, the woods in which the rifle was "stashed" is within a stone's throw from the back of the building AND the video shows him walking towards the direction of the woods immediately after he drops down from the roof. Why would he do that? He doesn't have the rifle or does he know that the rifle should be there? Remember, reasonable doubt and just because someone says they killed someone the burden is still on the State to prove they did indeed kill the person... innocent until proven guilty... not guilty because I say I am. Otherwise, alot of people would be in jail for saying they commited crimes they never did… just like the old guy in the crowd when Kirk was shot. If that was the caae then the old man claiming to initially shoot Kirk should also be charged with the assassination. He is not.

I want justice. For Charlie Kirk and his family. But how did the rifle get off the roof? The alleged shooter, Tyler, did NOT have it. The State of Utah CANNOT simply charge, convict and execute someone simply because it is the most expedient, politically palatable and "easiest explanation". The lack of the rifle needs to be resolved. There cannot be true justice until it is resolved.

I understand that the alternative explanations take things into areas that will challenge our thoughts of how the world truly operates, but we CANNOT accept the explanation that the rifle was taken by the alleged shooter from the sniper position on the roof and placed into the woods. That is IMPOSSIBLE. There is enough public facing video evidence at this pont to prove that "beyond a reasonable doubt" the person on the roof and in the video running to the rear of the building and jumping down, was not in possesion of the rifle used to kill Kirk.

If I was Tyler's lawyer I would essentially state this: "Yes. It is Tyler's gun. He shot it before. So have many other people. Yes, that is Tyler's towel wrapping the rifle. He has used it before. It was not previously under lock and key in his apartment and many other people had access to it. Yes, Tyle was on the roof. He was politically against everything for which Kirk stood. Angry. Radicalized. He was aware that there was going to be an attempt on Kirk's life, was part of a broader conspiracy to kill Kirk and was tasked with retrieving the rifle from the woods. But he did not shoot Kirk. He did not have the rifle on the roof before, during or after Kirk was killed. Just because he wants to take credit and martyr himself, does not make him the shooter. It makes him a troubled young man who got wrapped up in a conspiracy to kill Charlie Kirk. He may be guilty of a host of other crimes related to the death of Kirk, but he did not shoot Kirk because he did not have the assassin's weapon on his person when he was on the roof. ".... If I was on the jury I could not vote to convict him of shooting Kirk. I ABSOLUTELY would vote to convict him on all the other charges. But not for shooting Kirk.

I want justice for the Kirk family. We MUST have justice for the Kirk family. The rifle issue MUST be explained. And fast. Other leads grow colder by the day.

The FBI has repeatedly stated that they will charge everyone involved.

Fine.

Then go find the shooter and charge them too.’

How did the assassin's rifle get off the roof? The alleged shooter does NOT have the rifle when he escapes off the roof. Here is why it matters and it is NOT a trivial issue.

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