American Mothers Die in Childbirth, But These Deaths Are Preventable; Most people don’t realize that America, for all our advanced technology & high-tech medicine, has one of highest maternal deaths
American Mothers Die in Childbirth, But These Deaths Are Preventable; Most people don’t realize that America, for all our advanced technology & high-tech medicine, has one of highest maternal deaths
African-American women (Kira Johnson) 4 times likely to die of pregnancy-related complications than white women...why? Let us not sweep it under the rug, we have to confront this preventable disaster
This story doesn’t sound right at all. A routine C -section is scheduled procedure and not done in 17 min.(That would be a crash section for dead baby or mom) Who the heck was her doctor? It had to be her regular doc since it was arranged in advance. Was it an “equity” graduate? An experienced competent doctor could not have done this. This horrible tragedy had nothing to do with her race. Most doctors these days are minority. I’m sick of the constant blame. I have never seen an instance of “lesser” care because of race. It’s such BS.
I am reading a book titled "Inner Balance the Power of Holistic Healing" It is a serious book from the 80s filled with different insights from various luminary medical professionals. The book is critical of the mechanical approach to medicine where we are reduced to parts and consciousness has no place. The book poses the question: Do we intervene to destroy pathogenic agents, or should we work instead to strengthen the person's inherent ability to overcome those agents? The author and cited doctors were hopeful it was the latter where doctors resume their role as educating patients for better health. Sadly as Covid demonstrates, it has been the former. I do not think the woman died because she was black. It was arrogance that ignored her family because they were the experts and they were not. Like Covid, common sense observations are only real if validated.
Kira Johnson's death is a very sad & tragic case ... But is this racial trend a correlational or causal effect. Would like to see statistical evidence for racism .... compare childbirth deaths by economic status, region, hospital, general health / obesity, age, prenatal care...
Race, not racism, does play a role in maternal deaths. For instance there is a higher incidence of pregnancy induced hypertension in Africans. Socio economic factors also play a big role with poorer access to antenatal care.Obesity and general help obviously too. Obstetric care is important and specialised obstetric departments have better outcomes.
Hospital births are rarely necessary, but the biggest issue is that women, particularly low income and minorities, are unaware they don’t need all these interventions that are being done to them and their babies or that they have the right to refuse them.
Actually to that grim statistic you may want to add that the United States has one of the highest infant mortality rates in the so called first world countries.
Good God, how horrific. Some women have no choice but to go with a C-section. Shitty doctors and bad care is rapidly approaching the norm. I hope this father sues Cedars to oblivion.
One third of deliveries by C-section is not high. Brazil has almost 100%!!! Part of the problem with C-section rates was all the litigation of Obgyn specialists in the 80's and 90's with mothers blaming their doctor for under performing children because of alleged birth hypoxia. Who can honestly say that they would not do an emergency C-section for foetal heart abnormalities during labour or in fact who would not to CTG (heart rate and contraction) monitoring during labour? It's a double edged sword.
So common to see OB/GYN nick bladder/ureter. They suck at surgery. The blood in the urine should have been a clear indicator. This was failure to rescue. I’m not sure how this was an issue of race, but it’s clearly an issue of incompetence and negligence. I once cared for a post procedure liver biopsy patient who was bleeding all day. Was transferred from IR to ASC to the floor then to me in the ICU with increased symptoms of bleeding. He was actively bleeding, symptomatic, and receiving multiple blood transfusions in ICU. He needed a liver surgeon which we didn’t have and needed to be transferred. Trying to get the doctors to do their job and get this guy out quickly was an uphill battle. This was a white guy in a wealthy community hospital who had symptomatic bleeding all day!! When the intensivist said he was going home and to check the guys H&H at 11pm, I said he’ll be dead by 11pm!! and I told him to get back here and call in the GD transfer!! We got the guy out at 2am. Wife came back the next day to find me and tell me her husband survived his surgery and had 5 liters of blood in his abdomen!! I was furious and lost all respect for the intensivist that night. Shit like this goes on all the time! I just heard a story from my best friend who is also a nurse that a nurse friend of hers husband just recently died from complications of bleeding from an anterior cervical discectomy at a very prominent hospital in NYC. Bleeding into the site x3 days, nothing done, guy goes into cardiac arrest and dies. Failure to rescue. This is what is killing people.
The juxtaposition of the danger of abortion to a mother vs danger of pregnancy to a mother was a very surprising approach to me. I am very happy with how you addressed one aspect of the ridiculousness of that comparison. Thank you for doing this!
The other aspect, which is quite disturbing, is that the only way it makes sense to compare danger of abortion vs danger of pregnancy is to premise it upon the idea that there is a woman who has to deal with the detrimental situation of being pregnant, and it must be determined the best way to get her through this pathologized condition alive.
For those women who have been pregnant, who wanted to be pregnant, who want their children and love them more than they love themselves (even if they did not intend to be pregnant and were miraculously gifted the children anyways), the suggestion that they follow this thought experiment through is disgusting. When you understand that someone unprecedented in the world is on their way to coming, and that this person is capable of inspiring a profoundly powerful love worth living (or dying) for, the idea that you would treat that person's path to life as though it were an illness which could be cured through murder is revolting. For any who understands how profound is the truth and faith that any child born brings this incredible love into the world, who will become the dearest of people, the thought of taking that person's existence away is just... Horrible.
I don't know why is being cultivated this blindness to the potential for the most beautiful and wonderful relationships that a person can have, that, even as each of us, of you, is beloved and worthy in the world, so too are your children, whether they have been born yet or may come to be.
Why is this whole issue framed in one way, and not another? I could not imagine talking to my daughter, suggesting that she think carefully about the harm to her of having a baby or not. I would say, I love you and any baby you could ever have. Welcome! We want you!
A teenager told me the other day, well, there are too many people, and they're just ruining planet anyways. And you shouldn't have kids unless you can afford them. And if you have kids, your own life is basically over because you'll have to carry this burden. And me and my friends are thinking it is better to get vasectomies and such so we don't have to worry about those kinds of problems or contributing to the destruction of the world.
This perspective is very very disturbing. Go back two generations, and it is inconceivable how such a change could occur.
How sad for this family. What a loss. I had a Bradley couch and she told me about the unnecessary C-sections being done. They are just easier for doctors because they can schedule them. And they probably make more money. What a sad story such a lovely young woman and her little son will grow up without her. It's good the husband is suing.
This story doesn’t sound right at all. A routine C -section is scheduled procedure and not done in 17 min.(That would be a crash section for dead baby or mom) Who the heck was her doctor? It had to be her regular doc since it was arranged in advance. Was it an “equity” graduate? An experienced competent doctor could not have done this. This horrible tragedy had nothing to do with her race. Most doctors these days are minority. I’m sick of the constant blame. I have never seen an instance of “lesser” care because of race. It’s such BS.
Probably was an unsupervised “fellow” being taught by another corporately trained doctor.
No surprise. My trust in large Apex Predator Hospitals, in particular, is almost nonexistent.
Amen to that.
I am reading a book titled "Inner Balance the Power of Holistic Healing" It is a serious book from the 80s filled with different insights from various luminary medical professionals. The book is critical of the mechanical approach to medicine where we are reduced to parts and consciousness has no place. The book poses the question: Do we intervene to destroy pathogenic agents, or should we work instead to strengthen the person's inherent ability to overcome those agents? The author and cited doctors were hopeful it was the latter where doctors resume their role as educating patients for better health. Sadly as Covid demonstrates, it has been the former. I do not think the woman died because she was black. It was arrogance that ignored her family because they were the experts and they were not. Like Covid, common sense observations are only real if validated.
Kira Johnson's death is a very sad & tragic case ... But is this racial trend a correlational or causal effect. Would like to see statistical evidence for racism .... compare childbirth deaths by economic status, region, hospital, general health / obesity, age, prenatal care...
Race, not racism, does play a role in maternal deaths. For instance there is a higher incidence of pregnancy induced hypertension in Africans. Socio economic factors also play a big role with poorer access to antenatal care.Obesity and general help obviously too. Obstetric care is important and specialised obstetric departments have better outcomes.
Hospital births are rarely necessary, but the biggest issue is that women, particularly low income and minorities, are unaware they don’t need all these interventions that are being done to them and their babies or that they have the right to refuse them.
Do they get paid more for deaths, like with Covid? 🙄 Only illness, death and bad outcomes are rewarded, it seems.
Actually to that grim statistic you may want to add that the United States has one of the highest infant mortality rates in the so called first world countries.
Good God, how horrific. Some women have no choice but to go with a C-section. Shitty doctors and bad care is rapidly approaching the norm. I hope this father sues Cedars to oblivion.
One third of deliveries by C-section is not high. Brazil has almost 100%!!! Part of the problem with C-section rates was all the litigation of Obgyn specialists in the 80's and 90's with mothers blaming their doctor for under performing children because of alleged birth hypoxia. Who can honestly say that they would not do an emergency C-section for foetal heart abnormalities during labour or in fact who would not to CTG (heart rate and contraction) monitoring during labour? It's a double edged sword.
How horrific is that? Is all care now substandard?
So common to see OB/GYN nick bladder/ureter. They suck at surgery. The blood in the urine should have been a clear indicator. This was failure to rescue. I’m not sure how this was an issue of race, but it’s clearly an issue of incompetence and negligence. I once cared for a post procedure liver biopsy patient who was bleeding all day. Was transferred from IR to ASC to the floor then to me in the ICU with increased symptoms of bleeding. He was actively bleeding, symptomatic, and receiving multiple blood transfusions in ICU. He needed a liver surgeon which we didn’t have and needed to be transferred. Trying to get the doctors to do their job and get this guy out quickly was an uphill battle. This was a white guy in a wealthy community hospital who had symptomatic bleeding all day!! When the intensivist said he was going home and to check the guys H&H at 11pm, I said he’ll be dead by 11pm!! and I told him to get back here and call in the GD transfer!! We got the guy out at 2am. Wife came back the next day to find me and tell me her husband survived his surgery and had 5 liters of blood in his abdomen!! I was furious and lost all respect for the intensivist that night. Shit like this goes on all the time! I just heard a story from my best friend who is also a nurse that a nurse friend of hers husband just recently died from complications of bleeding from an anterior cervical discectomy at a very prominent hospital in NYC. Bleeding into the site x3 days, nothing done, guy goes into cardiac arrest and dies. Failure to rescue. This is what is killing people.
The juxtaposition of the danger of abortion to a mother vs danger of pregnancy to a mother was a very surprising approach to me. I am very happy with how you addressed one aspect of the ridiculousness of that comparison. Thank you for doing this!
The other aspect, which is quite disturbing, is that the only way it makes sense to compare danger of abortion vs danger of pregnancy is to premise it upon the idea that there is a woman who has to deal with the detrimental situation of being pregnant, and it must be determined the best way to get her through this pathologized condition alive.
For those women who have been pregnant, who wanted to be pregnant, who want their children and love them more than they love themselves (even if they did not intend to be pregnant and were miraculously gifted the children anyways), the suggestion that they follow this thought experiment through is disgusting. When you understand that someone unprecedented in the world is on their way to coming, and that this person is capable of inspiring a profoundly powerful love worth living (or dying) for, the idea that you would treat that person's path to life as though it were an illness which could be cured through murder is revolting. For any who understands how profound is the truth and faith that any child born brings this incredible love into the world, who will become the dearest of people, the thought of taking that person's existence away is just... Horrible.
I don't know why is being cultivated this blindness to the potential for the most beautiful and wonderful relationships that a person can have, that, even as each of us, of you, is beloved and worthy in the world, so too are your children, whether they have been born yet or may come to be.
Why is this whole issue framed in one way, and not another? I could not imagine talking to my daughter, suggesting that she think carefully about the harm to her of having a baby or not. I would say, I love you and any baby you could ever have. Welcome! We want you!
A teenager told me the other day, well, there are too many people, and they're just ruining planet anyways. And you shouldn't have kids unless you can afford them. And if you have kids, your own life is basically over because you'll have to carry this burden. And me and my friends are thinking it is better to get vasectomies and such so we don't have to worry about those kinds of problems or contributing to the destruction of the world.
This perspective is very very disturbing. Go back two generations, and it is inconceivable how such a change could occur.
How sad for this family. What a loss. I had a Bradley couch and she told me about the unnecessary C-sections being done. They are just easier for doctors because they can schedule them. And they probably make more money. What a sad story such a lovely young woman and her little son will grow up without her. It's good the husband is suing.