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Ragnar's avatar

You’re conflating SARS 2 vaccines with mRNA technology…if a killed hepatitis vaccine is found ineffective or even dangerous, do we categorize all killed vaccines as dangerous and/or ineffective? Of course not. You also apparently know very little about beef operations and withdrawal times, and are neglecting the short half life of MRNA.

When , in the life cycle of cattle, do you think we vaccinate cattle?

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Thomas A Braun RPh's avatar

Can’t debate what I don’t know. All I know is the mRNA injections are not safe and effective! I bet there has not been any research into transfer of mRNA spike protein from animal meat to humans.

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Whenever we get a vaccine approved by the USDA, we have to prove efficacy and safety.

Please detail how the current mRNA swine vaccine is not safe nor effective. It’s been on the market for a few years now, you should be able to prove that quickly…if it is the case.

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Thomas A Braun RPh's avatar

Does it include human studies?

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Ragnar's avatar

Covered by the residue studies..not only throughout the approval process but once the vaccine goes commercial.

https://www.fsis.usda.gov/policy/fsis-directives/10800.1

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Ragnar's avatar

An appeal to emotion…please connect the current swine or dog mRNA vaccines to the death of anyone, much less this baby.

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Thomas A Braun RPh's avatar

Not at all! Spike Protein was transferred in the blood transfusion! Same thing will happen with injections from animal to man.

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PS….you should probably know the difference between blood and myoglobin. Where in the world did you get your education?

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Thomas A Braun RPh's avatar

School of hard knocks and loosing friends to the mRNA injections and/or treatment. As long as you believe no harm is being done, you will have a closed mind. Science is moving faster that we can evlauate if it is safe! Just keep ignoring the great harm we have experienced in the last 3 years and go your merry way.

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How much great harm has come by the way of the MRNA swine vaccine that’s been on the market for five years?

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Five year history of a swine MRNA vaccine..show me that this has happened.

Once again, you ignore withdrawal dates, half life, residue studies that prove you’re wrong, a five year history of safety and effectiveness already, meat inspection process, residue studies that already exist, and on and on.

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Thomas A Braun RPh's avatar

The bias in managing medical treatments for disease states is corrupted by the speciel interests that manipulate the governmental agencies for their benefit. I see it time and again. The fact that the FDA approved these deadly mRNA injections for our children is criminal, when the CDC own data said that only .01% of these children are at risk from Covid. How Pfizer manipulated the research data on the mRNA is criminal. I know you believe you are doing the right stuff in animal husbandry, but the real issue stems from concentrated animal feeding methods to maximize profitability and minimize cost. Animals need their space and not be raised in concentrated pens that stress out the animals and raise the risk of disease states. Chickens are a good example with the bird flu. Peta would like to end all meat production. I don't agree with that and I only buy organic.

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Wait..you think organic equates to non pen-raised animals? You seriously lack knowledge on how we raise your food. ‘Organic’ labeling has nothing to with pen size, animal concentration etc.

How many adverse events have been reported for the mRNA swine vaccine that’s been on the market for five years?

https://www.ams.usda.gov/sites/default/files/media/Organic%20Livestock%20Requirements.pdf

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Thomas A Braun RPh's avatar

Probably none! How could they connect the dots! The VAERS system reports less than 5% of the mRNA adverse events! Nothing raised is absolute! You minimize ingesting trace toxins that accumulate and generate disease states! Hog mRNA are pure and only the human mRA is killing people? Maybe eating well cooked pork saved us!

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Ragnar's avatar

Adverse events regarding animals isn’t collected through VAERS. We use the CVB. Once again, you’re conflating Sars 2 CoV Vaccines with mRNA technology.

Perhaps educate yourself a little on veterinary vaccines before opining.

https://www.aphis.usda.gov/aphis/ourfocus/animalhealth/veterinary-biologics/sa_about_vb/ct_vb_about

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Thomas A Braun RPh's avatar

It's the same technologhy! Trick the immune system, and allow a messenger RNA reprogram cellular function! Man has become experimental lab rats! Look at the great harm done.

Some where between 300,000 and 600,000 Americans have died from the injections. About 25 million have been harmed and there are no long term studies to determine their life span. It will be lessened. I guess that is all right because only less than 1% have died who have been injected. Acceptable risk for the greater good! BS.

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Oh, so since it the same techinokogy, you should point to all kinds of problems with the swine and dog mRNA vaccines. Yet you can’t. Again, if there’s an issue with one specific MLV vaccine (which there has been), we would make the claim that all MLV vaccines are bad.

But if you didn’t know that VAERS isn’t even responsible For adverse events in veterinary vaccines, you know very little about vaccinology.

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