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The Palestinians have been murdered, robbed, tortured, and expelled by force from their homes since 1948. That Nakba (catastrophe) has been in slow motion for 75 yrs, after the initial onslaught where 750,000 Palestinians had to leave their homes to save their lives. We can also call it genocide, or incremental genocide. For the last 17 yrs they have been trapped in an open air concentration camp that they cannot escape. They have been bombed routinely every few yrs, it is what the zionist regime calls "mowing the lawn." The zionists have dumped their lies and propaganda for 75 yrs. Who do you think deserves most to be believed.

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I want you all to keep the debate civil, non hateful, non threateneing etc. I have no restrictions and no fire walls. Let us share and debate. Both sides. Civilly.

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Dr Alexander, apologies if people use emotive language. But it is frustrating for those with open eyes and ears who can see - who know - has majority control of the narrative and who has a proven history of lying. Shocking, unbelievable, lying. I think one of the hardest things for anyone to come to terms with is that a people who the world has been told suffered terribly 80 years ago, could possibly be responsible for enacting the same types of things onto other people, who had nothing to do with what happened to them. That is the hardest thing for anyone to come to terms with before you can open your eyes to what is going on.

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Since you want to keep the debate civil, I want to call attention to the comment directed to me by "marlene-& other topics" posted below, where she referred to me as "twisted sister" and said "shame on you."

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Dr Alexander, these commentators are really lacking in sensibility and civility. It is quite remarkable and unfortunate since their comments are lacking in any value.

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"The zionists have dumped their lies and propaganda for 75 yrs. Who do you think deserves most to be believed."

And they have a decades long history of using false flag terrorism to demonize the Palestinian people and prevent peace:

Ari Ben-Menashe on Israeli Black Operations

https://swprs.org/ari-ben-menashe-on-israeli-black-operations/

Ari Ben-Menashe, a former Israeli military intelligence operative, revealed how Israel used proceeds from secret arms sales to Iran to finance black operations and false flag terrorism.

Book: Profits of War: Inside the Secret U.S.-Israeli Arms Network (Ari Ben-Menashe, 1992)

Quote: “The slush fund helped finance the intelligence community’s “black” operations around the world. These included funding Israeli-controlled “Palestinian terrorists” who would commit crimes in the name of the Palestinian revolution, but were actually pulling them off, usually unwittingly, as part of the Israeli propaganda machine.” (Ari Ben-Menashe, Profits of War, 1992, chapter 8)

Abu Nidal - Mossad terrorist

https://www.sott.net/article/133491-Abu-Nidal-Mossad-terrorist

Israel’s Use of False Flags in Global Terrorism

https://americanfreepress.net/web-exclusive-israels-use-of-false-flags-in-global-terrorism/

the Achille Lauro affair. Ari Ben-Menashe, Profits of War, p. 122:

An example is the case of the “Palestinian” attack on the cruise ship Achille Lauro in 1985. That was, in fact, an Israeli “black” propaganda operation to show what a deadly, cutthroat bunch the Palestinians were.

The operation worked like this: Eitan passed instructions to Radi that it was time for the Palestinians to make an attack and do something cruel, though no specifics were laid out. Radi passed orders on to Abu’l Abbas, who, to follow such orders, was receiving millions from Israeli intelligence officers posing as Sicilian dons. Abbas then gathered a team to attack the cruise ship. The team was told to make it bad, to show the world what lay in store for other unsuspecting citizens if Palestinian demands were not met. As the world knows, the group picked on an elderly American Jewish man in a wheelchair, killed him, and threw his body overboard. They made their point. But for Israel it was the best kind of anti-Palestinian propaganda.

Israel's Sacred Terrorism: A Study Based on Moshe Sharett's Personal Diary and Other Documents

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/164961.Israel_s_Sacred_Terrorism

Moshe Sharett, one of Zionism's chief diplomats before 1948 and Israel's first foreign minister and prime minister from 1953 to 1955, kept a personal diary in which he candidly recorded how key Israeli policy decisions were made, including his own doubts and opposition to the strategies pursued by Isreal's "security establishment," men like David Ben Gurion, Moshe Dayan and Arik Sharon. The diary reveals how in the early 1950's Israeli leaders deliberately provoked Arab states by military operations and covert terrorist actions, stirred up mass hysteria in Israel, and began plotting the takeover of southern Lebanon, Gaza and the West Bank. Rokach has selected from the diaries and other documents, and provided a fascinating commentary and analysis.

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And we also have:

The Israeli attack on the USS liberty:

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2022/06/08/were-fed-it-survivors-of-uss-liberty-look-answers-55-years-later.html

The Lavon Affair

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavon_Affair

The Lavon affair was a failed Israeli covert operation, codenamed Operation Susannah, conducted in Egypt in the summer of 1954. As part of a false flag operation,[1] a group of Egyptian Jews were recruited by Israeli military intelligence to plant bombs inside Egyptian-, American-, and British-owned civilian targets: cinemas, libraries, and American educational centers.

King David Hotel bombing

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing

The British administrative headquarters for Mandatory Palestine, housed in the southern wing[1] of the King David Hotel in Jerusalem, were bombed in a terrorist attack[2][3] on 22 July 1946 by the militant right-wing[4] Zionist underground organization the Irgun during the Jewish insurgency.[5][6][7] 91 people of various nationalities were killed, including Arabs, Britons and Jews, and 46 were injured.[8]

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Listen for yourself:

- 1st clip is the sound of a tiny Hamas rocket

- 2nd clip is the sound of a JDAM Bomb

- 3rd clip is the sound of what hit the Gaza Hospital

https://twitter.com/jacksonhinklle/status/1714399005399011406

If it was a JDAM, it was 100% Israel.

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Twisted sister! The ones I saw showed just the opposite. You may have found video-manipulated versions. Shame on you.

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Mass Media Reporters Aren't Buying Israel's Hospital Bombing Story

https://www.caitlinjohnst.one/p/mass-media-reporters-arent-buying

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https://www.moonofalabama.org/

Israel bombed, probably with a U.S. made Hellfire missile ( https://twitter.com/ionacraig/status/1714567591937675614 ), the courtyard of the Baptist al-Ahli Arab hospital where thousands had sought refuge. A short video ( https://twitter.com/dancohen3000/status/1714603027154280944 ) of the immediate aftermath shows several dozens if not hundreds of dead and wounded. Doctors later held a press conference while standing among some of the casualties (https://twitter.com/Aldanmarki/status/1714381390660202642).

Like other hospitals al-Ahli Arab had been told by Israel to evacuate but could not do so as there are no other places where the sick and wounded, including many intensive care cases, could be cared for.

Three days earlier, notes the UN, the same hospital had, like others, already been bombed (https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/attacks-health-care-israel-and-occupied-palestinian-territories-12-15-october-2023) :

14 October 2023: In Gaza city city and governorate, Ahli Arab Hospital was hit by Israeli airstrikes, partially damaging two floors and damaging the ultrasound and mammography room. Four people were injured. Sources: Al Jazeera V and Personal Communication

To then claim, as Biden did https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/article-biden-says-gaza-hospital-blast-appears-to-be-caused-by-the-other-team/ , that 'the other team' was responsible for the attack is unfathomable.

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There is one coloniser, one regime with all the weapons and power, one regime who receives US$22M PER DAY from USA taxpayers, one regime who after every conflict ends up with ever more land, and a death toll 100:1 in their favour.

And it ain't the Palestinians.

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Whistleblower: Netenyahu Ordered Stand-down of IDF Forces to Allow Murder of Israeli Citizens.

Rabbi Chananya Weissman is well-connected source of intelligence

https://newsparadigm.substack.com/p/whistleblower-netenyahu-ordered-stand

Lauren Witzke: "Netenyahu intentionally let Hamas kill Israelis. Both the IDF and the Israeli Air Force both stood-down for 7 hours."

CrossTalk News: Edward and Lauren translate the Israeli village survivor’s groundbreaking interview that reveals what REALLY happened during the alleged “Hamas” attack. She states that everyone was massacred by Israeli special forces, including her friends and family. Do not miss this very important episode….it changes everything

Also at the link (video):

More Evidence of an “Inside Job” from David Sidman

IDF admits there were signs of the attack the night before: HERE

Day of Attack: The invasion was recorded at 7:15 AM, but the government instituted a media blackout preventing the press from warning the public for an hour and a half. Think of how many people could have prepared for the invasion if the press was allowed to warn them in real time. (Twitter)

Several weeks before the attack, Israeli surveillance balloons were mysteriously shut down

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Oh, it IS the palestinians, indeed. It's why they lie, executed attacks on their own people in order to blame Israel for them, and lies just like those who support them. Your comment is not true.

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Your comment fully applies to the apartheid rogue state.

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And this hospital was in South Gaza, where Israel had told the North Gazans to evacuate to. To call the IDF ‘ANIMALS’ would be too kind...

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Imagine Believing Israel is Only Targeting Hamas After Listening to This

https://www.winterwatch.net/2023/10/imagine-believing-israel-is-only-targeting-hamas-after-seeing-this/

https://twitter.com/Partisangirl/status/1713804574623154377

They did not abuse us. They treated us very humanely. They give us drinks here or there. When they see us nervous, they calm us down

“The Israeli commandos shot the hostages”

“[Hamas] treated us kindly, gave us water and told us to calm down”

The massacres in the kibbutz were at the hands of the IDF!

Israeli forces shot their own civilians, kibbutz survivor says

https://electronicintifada.net/content/israeli-forces-shot-their-own-civilians-kibbutz-survivor-says/38861

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Hamas hasn't used any weapons capable of such damage. I can't find any footage of Hamas using such a missile. But Israeli has used "bunker buster" bombs in Gaza since October 6:

.https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/9/israel-doesnt-care-about-collateral-damage-bunker-busters-used-in-gaza

Washington Post verified footage of the bombing of the hospital:

https://youtu.be/nBfHf8browM?si=DGP_ncmmnBVsdVHp

Sky News reported women's dn children among 70 casualties of Israeli strike 3 days ago:

https://youtu.be/jdhqrPZvIOg?si=BqKykO5rJIFGNMbC

Additional coverage from Sky News about most recent hospital bonbkng and how Sky News is struggling to get it's own staff out of Gaza:

https://youtu.be/6KGV3pmre3s?si=XpnDP0lloOAG0Qaw

The UN also stated Israel bombing hit a UN refugee center and killed 6 UN workers.

https://news.un.org/en/story/2023/10/1142432

An Anglican Church run hospital was previously damaged by Israeli bombing:

https://www.anglicannews.org/news/2023/10/anglican-run-al-ahli-arab-hospital-in-gaza-damaged-by-israeli-rocket-fire-as-conflict-continues.aspx

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The dark side of Huldah's namesake has spoken

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Here is the link to a recent NBC News article that discusses Israeli "bunker busting" bombs (JDAMS).

https://news.yahoo.com/israel-tunnels-hamas-uses-move-231812959.html

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You can't believe anything these Leftist stations put out.

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You're right. But for rabid leftists, they come in handy when they want to prove something they know is a lie, but don't want to face it because of their terminal bias.

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Marlene: Did you see the article on Assange? Go to SGT Report....scroll through articles and you will find. It says Assange is not doing good healthwise.

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Irrelevant to hamas' bombin of their own hospital. It was the first time, and won't be the last.

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Parroting talking points from MSM while calling other people rabid leftists is a bit hypocritical. The US was run by Democrats in WW1 when Britian took Palestine and in post WW2 climate that established the modern Isreal nation-state.

Can you give a logical reason and evidence that Hamas bombed their own hospital? Israel blames a different group, Islamic Jihadist. So I'm just curious about your source and what evidence you have. What military objective does Hamas achieve by blowing up a hospital in territory they want to keep during a military conflict? Why would the Hamas militants prevent treatment for Hamas insurgents by destroying hospitals in Gaza? Meanwhile, Israel instructed hospitals to evacuate and admitted to strikes hitting/damaging civilian targets since October 7th.

Is Isreali has no intelligence about the Hamas attack, then it's a bit suspicious they claim to have intercepted a phone call with Hamas and Islamic Jihadist to confirm a claim by the Israeli military. It's like those phone calls from the planes hijacked on 9/11. Because of course rabid liberals, as you say, just try to prove things they know are a lie and don't want to face it due to their terminal bias. And if the Democrats support Israel, then it's a bit laughable to claim parroting the same points of Truman, Wilson, and FDR means you're not a rabid liberal.

It's a bit sad people try to act counter narrative and to astroturfing the internet just like the Israeli company Percepto has done. Pretending to be your enemy when you don't know your enemy is not very covert, which perhaps explains why the company left Burkina Faso after smearing the Red Cross.

Nonetheless, Trump recognizing Golan Heights and Jerusalem in line with the hard right in Israel discredits the idea Trump was ever obtained anything resembling peace in the middle east. He publicly sided with the one state view of the faction backing Netanyahu. And don't forget Netanyahu shilled for Hamas, which again was done when both Democratic and Republican presidents supported Netanyahu. Again, that just demonstrates the lunacy of viewing liberal/conservative labels as identifying two distinct and opposing ideologies. They're variations of the same feudalism that uses populism to contain the masses and reallocate assets to the oligarchs, such as during COVID. Populist manifestations through social justice activism and the reactionary anti woke coalitions were empowered by populism and a distraction as elites pilfered the wealth from the middle and working class. Funding it with printed paper whose debt is owned, in part, by foriegn entities, and pushing the interest payments upon the citizens through taxation and inflation.

If the security of any other country than America becomes a security issue for America, then America isn't sovereign. It's sovereignty is fused with foriegn nations. A small country thousands of miles away that has witnessed countless regime and cultural changes for thousands of years is simply not a security interest for the US. The average American doesn't even know the New Testament was written in Greek or what language Christ spoke. The idea the US government knows what's best for anyone in the middle east is simply fueled by ideologies like British Israelism that are rooted in narcissism and ethno nationalism. Perhaps that's why the west has adopted Pride as it's new slogan.

What's very sad is Israel has yet to get the hostages back or neutralize 2,000 Hamas. That is a military and intelligence failure that isn't fixed by carpet bombing Gaza when Hamas is supposedly deep underground in tunnels. The only legitimate US interest I see is getting any Americans captured or abandoned in Gaza back to the USA. Because Israel failed to do that. Isreal's intelligence failure and reaction to the Hamas attack has now put Americans in danger as they are trapped inside Gaza, which is being bombed, while others are held by terrorists the Israeli government still can't find. Despite Israel having such great surveillance and counterintelligence. Now Israel wants to do a ground invasion of a tiny area that is blockaded and surrounded with fences. While Hamas is supposedly in tunnels underground and posting videos of themsleves in underground tunnels without structural damage from bombing.

Considering how the US fought in Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, and Korea, it's unlikely the US could successfully fight a counterinsurgency in Gaza against Hamas. Given NATO's performance in Ukraine, if Hamas threat of mining Gaza are remotely true, it will again probably not go well for the west or Israel. America lost to the Taliban rather recently so the idea the US military is going to quickly win a counterinsurgency in hostile territory where they don't speak the language, know the culture, or blend in going to end better than any other time the US has tried to fight such a conflict in the middle east? How will US troops handle the very anti woke culture of the middle east given the trauma misgendering and who can shower together has caused in the US military? Muslims don't respect what they consider LGBT culture. An enemy that doesn't respect the invader is not good for the invader. Does the US even have supplies to maintain a long term counterinsurgency against Hamas? Recruiting doesn't indicate it. The US doesn't have weapons to match the suicide drones made by Iran or the hypersonic weapons Russia has.

BRICS is not likely to side with Israel if forced to choose. So like Ukraine, the majority of the world is unlikely to be behind Israel if the conflict continues/expands. In fact, US officials have made several comments media that the US position with Israel in relation to the Gaza bombing is isolating the global south from the US.

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This is so unbearable. Why isn't GOD protecting his children? What is all this needless bloodshed about? I see a world out of control and never seeing peace. In the year 2023, you would never have imagined such terrible carnage happening. US is in danger of something BIG happening with all the

Illegals coming into our Southern Border. GOD BLESS US ALL +

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The first casualty in war is the truth.

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2nd casualty is critical thinking

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Best statement of the year!

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No. Unfortunately, it is not.

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Good grief. the fact that Israel or Hamas simply wants an excuse to blame the other for a situation they both created is inexcusable.

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I n the first instance Israel did not start this war, in the second instance Israel is not known ton use

innocent non-combattants was done by Hamas- third the homing devices of missiles are not perfect

they will on occasion go awry because the electronics telemetry has failed-The israelis ordered the

hospital closed because it was directly in a path of the war zone -and finally THERE IS NO ONE

INSTANT WHERE THE ISRAELIS ATTACKED A HOSPITAL -AND FINALLY THE COWARDLY HAMAS

ALWAYS USES THEIR VERY OWN PALESTINIANS AS SHEILDS HIDING WAR LOGISTICS AMIDSTS

THE THRONG

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It's a pleasure reading a comment from someone who actually knows what happened because truth, which saves lives, is more important than propaganda, which costs lives. Anti-Israel comments herein reflect reasons why they believe hamas could not do this, but none of those reasons can be proven because hamas did, in fact, do this. They've done it before, the palestinians have done this before - they once sealed a church and again a synagogue from the outside, locking everyone inside, then burned them all to death. Palestinians send their children outside into fire fights so that if hey get hurt or die, they can blame Israel. Palestinians hate Israel more than they love their own children. These are wars of savages against civilized societies.

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They did it to themselves when yet another rocket they were aiming at Israel misfired.

The size of the explosion proves that Hamas had a huge cache of explosives and rockets in the building. Which, as we should be aware, is normal modus operandi for them. Please don’t repeat the knee-jerk reactions of the howling media idiots. Plenty of sources have debunked this disgusting, but typical, canard.

https://twitchy.com/brettt/2023/10/17/new-york-times-updates-its-headline-on-israeli-strike-on-hospital-n2388675

Even this fool has had to apologize for parroting the terrorist lies:

https://www.breitbart.com/sports/2023/10/17/keith-olbermann-apologizes-for-post-blaming-israel-for-missile-strike-on-palestinian-hospital/

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Dearest brothers and sisters of Substack Dr Paul Elias Alexander.

I present my latest article - about the current playout in our cloak-and-dagger world - for your reading pleasure:

https://www.tech4law.co.za/humour/text-funnies/the-faceless-powerful/

Thanks,

Barry

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SAPA Reuter news bulletin, coming from Cuckoo Land, Washington DC.

"His slumped and lifeless body was found with an IV needled empty syringe still hanging out of his deltoid muscle.

'He was shot with mRNA by an intruder; possibly an immediate neighbour was the perp' said his next of kin.

'No, he shot himself with mRNA' said the immediate neighbour, who wished to remain anonymous.

Police are still investigating".

Do me a FUCKING favour.

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If reports are true then that is around 11 hospitals in Gaza that have been bombed.

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All I know Dr. Paul, this is the way the cabal keeps the world off balance so they can carry out their evil plan to create a one world order. The word on the street is the CIA is behind all of this supplying both sides with weapons. The world bankers need another distraction because the money markets are collapsing and they are loosing control, the end of this evil is almost over.

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The palestinian hate the Jewish hate the civilized world more than they love their own children.

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