I went 6 times with Trump, Torma, Maher, 2nd, Igor, Coulson etc.; McCullough, Risch, Hodkinson went 4 x; Malone did not get memo for stones! BOOM! Maher lays smackdown! "Or we could just get serious"
I have always liked his humor and his show. He always brought in people with different views. He is how I learned about politics because there was debate and again gave two sides to current issues. I don’t agree with his view but that also helped me understand why I believe what resonates with me. He seems to tell a lot of truths. I don’t understand how he is liberal but I will support his free speech.
Ditto. I’m sick to death of both sides and their demand of supporting every issue on their platforms. Each accuses the other of being out of touch and anti-freedom . Yet both are stripping away our every freedom, the no longer recognizable Dems are just better organized destroyers. The all to recognizable GOP is too busy screaming about Dylan Mulvaney, criminalizing abortion, preaching, cannibalizing itself and not utilizing the opportunity to reach out to the disenchanted center, moderates, youth, minorities, Independents, libertarians or unaffiliated. Their optics, messaging and cultural awareness is obsolete and they’re ineptitude, inexplicable.
I vote R because D is death. What kind of choice is it when one party is near dead and the other is expediting it?
The right wing and left wing are on the same bird. The Rino party is just controlled opposition so the slippery slope the Dems are sending us down doesn’t seem so slippery. Hang on with both hands.
I agree. Is it that the liberals are somehow more evil? Why don’t conservatives have a heavier hand trying to stop all the so called woke ESG, DEI requirements. I don’t understand why conservatives don’t fight harder.
Paul, thanks for sharing this, I do not watch TV or follow Bill Maher anymore.. I am actually surprised that he, of all people, said these things, which are historically accurate, and which the left don't give a shit about. Credit where credit is due.
1) "Kosovo was the cradle of Christian Serbia. Then it became Muslim. They fought a war about it in the 90s but stopped. They didn’t keep it going for 75 years."
What a f*ckwit Maher is. The US snd NATO were muslim enablers who bombed the crap out of Christian Serbia. The US created a new muslim country in the heart of Europe from Serb land. "They [Serbs/Kosovo Albanians] didn’t keep it going for 75 years." What a f*ckwit! It's not even been 40 years since the US fought on the side of the al-Qaeda linked Kosovo Liberation Army terrorists against the Christian Serbs Has this crypto-Jew Maher been to Serbia or met any Serbians? Serbs now loathe the US and celebrate whenever it is attacked by muslims.
2) "I mean, where do you think Israel is going? Spoiler alert, nowhere." What a f*ckwit. Why does this idiot think Nazi Germany wanted the Jews to congregate together in one place in what is now Israel? For altruistic reasons? If the Nazis had won the war Israel would have been obliterated. The Nazis wanted them all in one place, far away from Germany, for a reason. Having them far away was not enough. Germany was concerned about international finance Jewry. It wanted them exterminated from the face of the earth. (Many Germans and Austrians still do.) Having the Jewish people congregated into a small area the size of Rhode Island would have made it easier to exterminate the Zionists. If atomic weapons had not been developed the German Nazis would simply have exterminated them by conventional means. Israel and Zionists among the Jewish people are hated not only by their neighbors but by muslims in muslim countries all around the world from Albania to Indonesian. The muslims already have nuclear weapons. Pakistan has them. They just don't yet have the capacity to explode them in the heart of Israel. I spoke to a Sephardic friend who is a crypto-Jew recently and he was a lot more switched on than Maher. He was of the same opinion as me. Israelis would be a lot safer if Israel was in Texas or elsewhere in the US. It's only a matter of time before muslim extremists get the capacity to detonate an atomic device in Israel and anyone who thinks that muslims will not eventually detonate a small atomic device in the heart of Israel to take advantage of a large number of Zionists being gathered together in one place the size of Rhode Island because of fear of the consequences or because of concerns that the radiation will harm Palestinians or arabs in neighboring countries is a fool. Maher is a fool.
Do you recall the Balfour Declaration, 1917? The land designated to Israel was the spoils of war at the fall of the Ottoman Empire. The Ottomans lost, for the sake of brevity, and Israel's homeland was restored to them, albeit not in its entirety. The importance of Israel to Jews is far bigger than just a hunk of land.
That's a fair point. The vast majority are against the ideology of Zionism and those who practice it rather than against non-Zionist Jews who have not harmed them personally. The overwhelming majority of muslims are peaceful and do not follow the extreme teachings of the Quran any more than Jews or Christians follow the exhortations in the Torah and Old Testament to kill unbelievers or followers of other religions.
That's a naive or maybe even ignorant point of view ALL Muslims are commanded by their moon-bat god and crazy pedophile prophet to KILL all non-Muslims everywhere on planet earth. They just have special enmity for Jews because they would not accept Muhammad as a prophet when he was in Mecca.. Ditto for the Christians but there were far fewer.
What do you think the Joos teach? Oh, yeah, that Jesus Christ is burning in hell in boiling excrement. Just look at Ben Shapiro for a perfect example of what zionist Jews really think about Christ and Christians. The zionists are trying to foment war between Christians and Muslims so they, the zionists, are the last ones standing. They think they are the master race. Obviously, they are fooling the stupider of the goyim.
The hatred of Jews started with two persons, Muhammed and Hitler. Those two managed to get in power and pull by force Muslims and Germans into committing atrocities. You can't paint an entire country like Germany or Austria hating Jews.
While I agree that those two guys were virulently and violently anti-Jew, hatred of the Jews started while Jacob (aka Israel) was still alive. He warned his children about the danger of a small tribe acting with malicious violence. The Seleucid Empire (a remnant of Alexander the Great's conquests) were very anti-Jew. The Roman Empire thought the Jews in the Levant were major pains.
I am NOT anti-Jew, but I do want to keep the facts straight.
Interesting. Where would be the information about Jacob and the Seleucid Empire? Never heard of this Empire. We know the Romans were killing innocent people so their opinion we can discount. Reading the Qur'an, it appears that Mohammeds beef with the Jews was that he wanted their money, homes, property, he was simply jealous of their hard work and accomplishments. Also, they weren't interested in his fake made up "religion". In Germany there were many successful Jewish communities, and business's, until Hitler came into power. Going back in time, since Judaism is the oldest religion, it could be animosity towards the religion could be a factor.
Thomas Sowell has a great discussion (or multiple discussions) of Germany and Germans in "Black Rednecks and White Liberals". Sowell's thesis is that the Jews often fill a role in society that invites hatred from the majority ethnicities, and that others (e.g. Lebanese in Africa or Chinese in Muslim-majority indochinese countries) who occasionally fill similar roles and are also objects of similar hatred.
Ok, the story of Jacob is regarding a single rape. Then two sons, Simeon and Levi were somehow able to by themselves, kill all the males in the city. These biblical accounts are unreliable, and it's a stretch to assume that because of a rape and two murderous guys, Jews became a despised race. The account of Seleucids clearly shows the Jews as victims, shows the aggression towards them from the dislike of their religion. Then the Jews apparently successfully defend themselves. So for my interpretation of those events somehow manifest a historical hatred towards all Jews, doesn't really add up. I still believe that the Jew hate originated from Muhammed, his angst was his desire to possess the Jews wealth, and that they refused to go along with his insane made up religion of Islam. Thanks for making these resources available, I wasn't aware of them at all.
The reason that all the males in the city were so easy to kill is that they were all recovering from what sounds like an extremely painful operation for an adult: circumcision. Also, Jacob's tribe was relatively very wealthy, and therefore likely had MANY manservants who could have been part of Simeon and Levi's posse. I believe the Bible does not mention the size of the city, so killing all the males may not have been as big a feat as it sounds. Since the story in Genesis 34 puts the heroes in a bad light, I see no reason to think it unreliable.
If you point is that current Jew-hatred is not a constant phenomenon since that time, I wholeheartedly agree. I was pointing out that this was the first recorded instance. Exodus has examples where the Israelites were mistreated without any clear cause or excuse other than some haters being afraid and jealous of them.
The Seleucid rulers most likely were Macedonian (aka Greek) warriors who ruled ruthlessly over a third of Alexander the Great's empire after his death. They probably considered the Jews an uppity minority that were difficult to subjugate.
One could consider that Muhammed initiated _institutional_ Jew hatred, which has been practiced continually since then. He also did the same for Christians, though the Jews being a small and perhaps more successful minority may have been more hated. An author named Bat Ye'or wrote a book about this, which I have not read, called Understanding Dhimmitude.
While I cannot cite sources, I can say my impression is that throughout history when mediocre caliphs felt secure enough in their power, they were quite content to benefit from the talent and work of Jews and Christians within their domain. For example, when the Spaniards successfully reconquered all of Spain (a task that may have taken most of 732-1492!!!), many Jews fled the Spanish Inquisition and found refuge in Istanbul. Those Jews are known as Ladinos, since they still speak a language similar to Spanish. Enlightened caliphs, I believe there was at least one of them, were even more magnanimous in allowing various religious minorities to coexist and contribute to society.
I informally think it was around 2000 BC, sometime during Abraham's life. However, I know that many scholars believe that 1800 BC is more accurate.
Others might argue that Judaism really started with Moses, since the vast majority of its laws and traditions weren't codified until late in Moses's life. That would make a date more like 1400BC.
The animosity appears to stem partly from the role of sacrifice in Judaism. The belief has developed among the peoples of many different countries at different times, in part based on their interpretations of the Torah and Talmud, that the Jewish people have historically practiced child sacrifice and that some (elites) among the Jewish people secretly murder non-Jewish babies and children in order to devour their blood in religous rituals.
😂🤣🤡 “ Jewish people have historically practiced child sacrifice and that some (elites) among the Jewish people secretly murder non-Jewish babies and children in order to devour their blood in religous rituals.”
Hahahahaha, my intuition has not betrayed me. WokeHardAsleep is a hard core Jew-hater mindlessly regurgitating oldest BS. 😂🤣😂🤡🤡
You liked your own post? Why is that not surprising and why is it not surprising that you distort and misquote through selective omission? I said "The belief has developed among the peoples of many different countries at different times ... that the Jewish people have historically practiced child sacrifice and that some (elites) among the Jewish people secretly murder non-Jewish babies and children in order to devour their blood in religous rituals." I said that belief appears to be where historic animosity toward the Jewish people appears to stem from.You omitted to mention that and also omitted the words "The belief has developed ...etc" in order to misquote and to give the subsequent statement a different meaning. You're a typical low IQ sophist. I did not say I shared the belief. I simply said that the belief had developed among the peoples of many different countries at different times, in part based on THEIR interpretations of the Torah and the Talmud. So you have set up and attacked a straw man. This is why I call you "Fallacy Lover." Another poster noted thatyour initials FL are also short for French Letter (condom) or "Fuck Sheath." So go fuck yourself, Fuck Sheath. Your "intuition" has betrayed you. You are the one who "mindlessly" does things. It must be very unpleasant being you. It's a shame your mother didn't abort you. You being you must be very unpleasant not only for other people but also for you. So fuck off. Go and make the world a better place.
Antisemitism long predates Muhammed. Jews have been perceived to be a predatory people who exploit and cause harm to non-Jews they live among and have been hated by many different, unconnected peoples in far flung places, separated by vast geography, and in different historical times. HAMAS TV propagandizes that the Jews use the blood of murdered Christian children to make matzah. There have been repeated expulsions of the Jewish people from many different countries, often associated with these "blood libels," throughout history. Blood libels are the belief that some of the Jews secretly practice ritual child murder of the children and infants of other races and religions and devour the blood of the murdered chidren in religous rituals. Antisemitism was rife in Germany and Austria long befire Hitler. The "overrepresentation" of Jewish people in prominent positions in Germany was resented, in part probably because of the belief that these positions were not achieved on merit but by Jews favoring other Jews and discriminating against non-Jews.
Clear examples of anti-Jewish sentiment can be traced back to Alexandria in the 3rd century BCE. Alexandrian Jewry were the largest Jewish community in the world and the Septuagint, a Greek translation of the Hebrew Bible, was produced there. Manetho, an Egyptian priest and historian of that time, wrote scathingly of the Jews and his themes are repeated in the works of Chaeremon, Lysimachus, Poseidonius, Apollonius Molon, and in Apion and Tacitus. Feldman, a student of antisemitism, reports that after the time of Manetho "the picture usually painted is one of universal and virulent anti-Judaism".
I love it how they do that to you troll, you genetic defect. In your world people are either Jew-Lovers or Jew-Haters. You're the former, probably because you have a master race mentality and fell in love with yourself like Narcissus did in the Greek myth, you racist scum. But not worshipping you, not loving you, does not make soneone a Jew-Hater. It must be miserable that you are you, both for yourself as well as for other people. Do the right thing.
One can easily see that those who hate the Jews could fabricate horror stories to negatively paint them as evil. There are many examples in modern times of individuals and groups falsely accusing other individuals and groups as wrong doers. Good example is all the leftists who repeatedly accuse Trump of committing crimes, yet he's never been convicted of a crime as of yet, and the current indictments are all obviously lawfare. Your example of a Egyptian priest is interesting. This priest would be vehemently opposed to Judaism and Christianity, so why wouldn't he be antisemite?
Duane, the priest, who was one of the first known Jew-haters, lived in a pre-Christian era so could hardly be vehemently opposed to Christianity. Also, as an Egyptian, or Arab, he was a Semite. At the time that he lived, he had lived among Jews. He became a Jew-Hater. The point of the post is that anti-semitism did not begin with Muhammed or Hitler. Jew-Hatred has arisen in many, many, many countries for at least two millenia. See the section in the article at the link on expulsiins of Jews by country:
No doubt the Jews were persecuted, and the lengthy list of expulsions indicates that they're always the victims. The question remains, why? Reading Mein Kampf, Hitler has no logical reason to persecute them, he just hates them. Same thing with the Qur'an, Muhammad just hates them. Muhammads reasoning is that since they won't become Muslims, they're to be despised. He also was after their wealth. In all these discussions, I have yet to see any logical reason as to why the persecution. If there was any "child sacrifice" that had to be in prehistoric times, no mention of this in the Qur'an. Does anyone know if this is referenced in the Bible?
Maher has a history of being progressive, while claiming to be a libertarian. But yes, he deserves much credit for defying the progressive demand for absolute consensus to the narrative, which is 'Israel bad, Jews bad, Hamas good'. Being that Maher is Jewish, through his mother, we can guess that a dose of reality has sobered him up on this issue. In today's ugly atmosphere, it takes some balls to break the duress of lefty consensus.
I've not seen that, but it's possible that he did. His mother was Jewish, his father was Irish and Catholic. He was raised as Catholic til his early teens, I think. But because in Judaic law, a child of a Jewish mother is automatically a Jew, I suppose he leaned into that, at least secularly.
You should care, if you have any literacy in the Hamas charter, and how far-reaching its scope. What they are doing to Israel is not happening in a vacuum. They---meaning not just Hamas, but the multitudinous tentacles of the Muslim Brotherhood have been very vocal and open about their intentions, and those intentions are not just the annihilation of Israel, but the extermination of all Jews, everywhere. And their efforts are also applicable to every demographic of *unbelievers*, and every country to submit to Islam. When someone tells and shows you who they are, believe them.
They reject the divinity of Christ and don't follow the New Testament. Christianity would be an inferior religion if it followed any part of the Old Testament but not the New Testament. Christianity is a great religion. Some other religions are primitive with holy books full of stories of rape and murder and infanticide and genocide. There are also great non-Abrahamic religions that are peaceful, like Buddhism.
Practitioners of Christianity have not been perfect. I deplore the rape of small boys, and also sometimes girls, by psychopathic pedophile priests, ministers and pastors and the mistreatment of children by sometimes sadistic nuns. Clergy is one of the most common or preferred occupations of psychopaths, although to a slightly lesser extent than general manager/CEO, lawyer, police and journalist. However, Christianity is still a great religion. As Mahatma Gandhi said— 'I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.'
The Qur'an borrows heavily from the Bible, mentions many Biblical characters, including Mary and Christ. I'd have to go back and read which parts they agree with and disagree with.
Bill Maher is not a theologian. Anyone who says they are the chosen by God is indulging in a tribal god and is the same as any fascist politician who says they are the superior race. To comment in an inteligent way on God's chosen people would mean all of us and the rest is what the political overlords use to maintain power. Who is the oppressed here? Why is Christianity on the side of the oppressed? Since the Biblical time of Amos and the Palestinian Judea people is outlined by the theologian Marcus Borg and why social justice is on the side of the oppressed.
What kind of drivel are you spewing now?? 35% of Palestinians are Christian. How many Israeli's are Christian? Almost ZERO, because it's an apartheid, racist state for Joos ONLY. Christian who wants to become an Israeli citizen? Sorry, not happening. Talk about knowing history when you obviously don't know anything about the history of Palestine. Israel is the Synagogue of Satan, those who say the are Joos but are not (Rev. 2:9). They are Talmudist Kaballists.
Maher, most people in the West, and even most people commenting here, including Dr. Alexander, just don't get it. The problem is not the Palestinians but ISLAM. Islam is a Borg sex cult. Resistance is futile. Surrender and get down on your knees with your butt up in the air worshiping Allah or have your head chopped off. The Palestinians are just part of the brain-dead collective doing the queen's bidding.. Once they kill all the Jews in Israel and have all of Palestine, they will turn their attention to all non-Muslims until the whole world is conquered and worshiping Allah.
There is a solution to this conflict. Both Quran and Torah command the love of the neighbour no matter what his origins. Why can't both sides apply what their own religions require? I guess nobody will make money on selling weapons when the hatred is no more?
Evangelical Christians have been able to overcome this hatred between the Jews and Palestinians because they wouldn't pick up a weapon...
Now it all makes perfect sense what this conflict is all about. It is about making sure the hatred is fueled so that the market for the sales of weapons is never dried up...
The Qur'an rarely says, "love your neighbor". Most of it is filled with hate, war, fighting, killing, accounts of the 75 raids that Muhammad made attacking villages and caravans.
The Palestinians weren't the only Arabic-speaking people to lose their land in the 20th century. I wonder if even 1 in 1000 people in America or Europe knows about those people, who took the loss (which was no fun) and got on with their lives. All of my relatives who are descendants of these people are thriving now.
Bill's annoying but never Matrix Insane as the cohort he identifies upon; themselves low educated, CFR card carrying members, all fake journalists. I rarely scan him, never watch TV, but did notice on snapshot when he was talking sudafed with a guest with both agreeing that the product failed to work. I immediately recalled that kids were producing meth from sudafed about 20 years ago, or so. My Bill question was, what does he know about this product? :)
I have always liked his humor and his show. He always brought in people with different views. He is how I learned about politics because there was debate and again gave two sides to current issues. I don’t agree with his view but that also helped me understand why I believe what resonates with me. He seems to tell a lot of truths. I don’t understand how he is liberal but I will support his free speech.
boom, same
I want to hear both sides
Ditto. I’m sick to death of both sides and their demand of supporting every issue on their platforms. Each accuses the other of being out of touch and anti-freedom . Yet both are stripping away our every freedom, the no longer recognizable Dems are just better organized destroyers. The all to recognizable GOP is too busy screaming about Dylan Mulvaney, criminalizing abortion, preaching, cannibalizing itself and not utilizing the opportunity to reach out to the disenchanted center, moderates, youth, minorities, Independents, libertarians or unaffiliated. Their optics, messaging and cultural awareness is obsolete and they’re ineptitude, inexplicable.
I vote R because D is death. What kind of choice is it when one party is near dead and the other is expediting it?
The right wing and left wing are on the same bird. The Rino party is just controlled opposition so the slippery slope the Dems are sending us down doesn’t seem so slippery. Hang on with both hands.
I agree. Is it that the liberals are somehow more evil? Why don’t conservatives have a heavier hand trying to stop all the so called woke ESG, DEI requirements. I don’t understand why conservatives don’t fight harder.
Paul, thanks for sharing this, I do not watch TV or follow Bill Maher anymore.. I am actually surprised that he, of all people, said these things, which are historically accurate, and which the left don't give a shit about. Credit where credit is due.
1) "Kosovo was the cradle of Christian Serbia. Then it became Muslim. They fought a war about it in the 90s but stopped. They didn’t keep it going for 75 years."
What a f*ckwit Maher is. The US snd NATO were muslim enablers who bombed the crap out of Christian Serbia. The US created a new muslim country in the heart of Europe from Serb land. "They [Serbs/Kosovo Albanians] didn’t keep it going for 75 years." What a f*ckwit! It's not even been 40 years since the US fought on the side of the al-Qaeda linked Kosovo Liberation Army terrorists against the Christian Serbs Has this crypto-Jew Maher been to Serbia or met any Serbians? Serbs now loathe the US and celebrate whenever it is attacked by muslims.
2) "I mean, where do you think Israel is going? Spoiler alert, nowhere." What a f*ckwit. Why does this idiot think Nazi Germany wanted the Jews to congregate together in one place in what is now Israel? For altruistic reasons? If the Nazis had won the war Israel would have been obliterated. The Nazis wanted them all in one place, far away from Germany, for a reason. Having them far away was not enough. Germany was concerned about international finance Jewry. It wanted them exterminated from the face of the earth. (Many Germans and Austrians still do.) Having the Jewish people congregated into a small area the size of Rhode Island would have made it easier to exterminate the Zionists. If atomic weapons had not been developed the German Nazis would simply have exterminated them by conventional means. Israel and Zionists among the Jewish people are hated not only by their neighbors but by muslims in muslim countries all around the world from Albania to Indonesian. The muslims already have nuclear weapons. Pakistan has them. They just don't yet have the capacity to explode them in the heart of Israel. I spoke to a Sephardic friend who is a crypto-Jew recently and he was a lot more switched on than Maher. He was of the same opinion as me. Israelis would be a lot safer if Israel was in Texas or elsewhere in the US. It's only a matter of time before muslim extremists get the capacity to detonate an atomic device in Israel and anyone who thinks that muslims will not eventually detonate a small atomic device in the heart of Israel to take advantage of a large number of Zionists being gathered together in one place the size of Rhode Island because of fear of the consequences or because of concerns that the radiation will harm Palestinians or arabs in neighboring countries is a fool. Maher is a fool.
Do you recall the Balfour Declaration, 1917? The land designated to Israel was the spoils of war at the fall of the Ottoman Empire. The Ottomans lost, for the sake of brevity, and Israel's homeland was restored to them, albeit not in its entirety. The importance of Israel to Jews is far bigger than just a hunk of land.
I don't agree with you, I think that the vast majority of Muslims are against Zionism, and not non-Zionist Jews whatsoever.
That's a fair point. The vast majority are against the ideology of Zionism and those who practice it rather than against non-Zionist Jews who have not harmed them personally. The overwhelming majority of muslims are peaceful and do not follow the extreme teachings of the Quran any more than Jews or Christians follow the exhortations in the Torah and Old Testament to kill unbelievers or followers of other religions.
That's a naive or maybe even ignorant point of view ALL Muslims are commanded by their moon-bat god and crazy pedophile prophet to KILL all non-Muslims everywhere on planet earth. They just have special enmity for Jews because they would not accept Muhammad as a prophet when he was in Mecca.. Ditto for the Christians but there were far fewer.
What do you think the Joos teach? Oh, yeah, that Jesus Christ is burning in hell in boiling excrement. Just look at Ben Shapiro for a perfect example of what zionist Jews really think about Christ and Christians. The zionists are trying to foment war between Christians and Muslims so they, the zionists, are the last ones standing. They think they are the master race. Obviously, they are fooling the stupider of the goyim.
Moot point. The Muslims are equal opportunity head choppers off.
Israel is a bigger than New Jersey, though it is still tiny if we're talking about nukes...
The hatred of Jews started with two persons, Muhammed and Hitler. Those two managed to get in power and pull by force Muslims and Germans into committing atrocities. You can't paint an entire country like Germany or Austria hating Jews.
While I agree that those two guys were virulently and violently anti-Jew, hatred of the Jews started while Jacob (aka Israel) was still alive. He warned his children about the danger of a small tribe acting with malicious violence. The Seleucid Empire (a remnant of Alexander the Great's conquests) were very anti-Jew. The Roman Empire thought the Jews in the Levant were major pains.
I am NOT anti-Jew, but I do want to keep the facts straight.
Interesting. Where would be the information about Jacob and the Seleucid Empire? Never heard of this Empire. We know the Romans were killing innocent people so their opinion we can discount. Reading the Qur'an, it appears that Mohammeds beef with the Jews was that he wanted their money, homes, property, he was simply jealous of their hard work and accomplishments. Also, they weren't interested in his fake made up "religion". In Germany there were many successful Jewish communities, and business's, until Hitler came into power. Going back in time, since Judaism is the oldest religion, it could be animosity towards the religion could be a factor.
Re Jacob, see https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+34&version=ESV.
Regarding the Jews and Seleucids, one web page that discusses it is https://www.chabad.org/holidays/chanukah/article_cdo/aid/102978/jewish/The-Hanukkah-Story.htm. Note, I haven't read that page, but it is certainly relevant.
I agree on Mohammed's beef.
Thomas Sowell has a great discussion (or multiple discussions) of Germany and Germans in "Black Rednecks and White Liberals". Sowell's thesis is that the Jews often fill a role in society that invites hatred from the majority ethnicities, and that others (e.g. Lebanese in Africa or Chinese in Muslim-majority indochinese countries) who occasionally fill similar roles and are also objects of similar hatred.
Yes, I religion is relevant.
Ok, the story of Jacob is regarding a single rape. Then two sons, Simeon and Levi were somehow able to by themselves, kill all the males in the city. These biblical accounts are unreliable, and it's a stretch to assume that because of a rape and two murderous guys, Jews became a despised race. The account of Seleucids clearly shows the Jews as victims, shows the aggression towards them from the dislike of their religion. Then the Jews apparently successfully defend themselves. So for my interpretation of those events somehow manifest a historical hatred towards all Jews, doesn't really add up. I still believe that the Jew hate originated from Muhammed, his angst was his desire to possess the Jews wealth, and that they refused to go along with his insane made up religion of Islam. Thanks for making these resources available, I wasn't aware of them at all.
The reason that all the males in the city were so easy to kill is that they were all recovering from what sounds like an extremely painful operation for an adult: circumcision. Also, Jacob's tribe was relatively very wealthy, and therefore likely had MANY manservants who could have been part of Simeon and Levi's posse. I believe the Bible does not mention the size of the city, so killing all the males may not have been as big a feat as it sounds. Since the story in Genesis 34 puts the heroes in a bad light, I see no reason to think it unreliable.
If you point is that current Jew-hatred is not a constant phenomenon since that time, I wholeheartedly agree. I was pointing out that this was the first recorded instance. Exodus has examples where the Israelites were mistreated without any clear cause or excuse other than some haters being afraid and jealous of them.
The Seleucid rulers most likely were Macedonian (aka Greek) warriors who ruled ruthlessly over a third of Alexander the Great's empire after his death. They probably considered the Jews an uppity minority that were difficult to subjugate.
One could consider that Muhammed initiated _institutional_ Jew hatred, which has been practiced continually since then. He also did the same for Christians, though the Jews being a small and perhaps more successful minority may have been more hated. An author named Bat Ye'or wrote a book about this, which I have not read, called Understanding Dhimmitude.
While I cannot cite sources, I can say my impression is that throughout history when mediocre caliphs felt secure enough in their power, they were quite content to benefit from the talent and work of Jews and Christians within their domain. For example, when the Spaniards successfully reconquered all of Spain (a task that may have taken most of 732-1492!!!), many Jews fled the Spanish Inquisition and found refuge in Istanbul. Those Jews are known as Ladinos, since they still speak a language similar to Spanish. Enlightened caliphs, I believe there was at least one of them, were even more magnanimous in allowing various religious minorities to coexist and contribute to society.
What date would you give to Judaism's beginning,1800 B.C.?
I informally think it was around 2000 BC, sometime during Abraham's life. However, I know that many scholars believe that 1800 BC is more accurate.
Others might argue that Judaism really started with Moses, since the vast majority of its laws and traditions weren't codified until late in Moses's life. That would make a date more like 1400BC.
So Judaism, Hinduism, and Zoroastrianism could all be considered the oldest religions.
The animosity appears to stem partly from the role of sacrifice in Judaism. The belief has developed among the peoples of many different countries at different times, in part based on their interpretations of the Torah and Talmud, that the Jewish people have historically practiced child sacrifice and that some (elites) among the Jewish people secretly murder non-Jewish babies and children in order to devour their blood in religous rituals.
😂🤣🤡 “ Jewish people have historically practiced child sacrifice and that some (elites) among the Jewish people secretly murder non-Jewish babies and children in order to devour their blood in religous rituals.”
Hahahahaha, my intuition has not betrayed me. WokeHardAsleep is a hard core Jew-hater mindlessly regurgitating oldest BS. 😂🤣😂🤡🤡
You liked your own post? Why is that not surprising and why is it not surprising that you distort and misquote through selective omission? I said "The belief has developed among the peoples of many different countries at different times ... that the Jewish people have historically practiced child sacrifice and that some (elites) among the Jewish people secretly murder non-Jewish babies and children in order to devour their blood in religous rituals." I said that belief appears to be where historic animosity toward the Jewish people appears to stem from.You omitted to mention that and also omitted the words "The belief has developed ...etc" in order to misquote and to give the subsequent statement a different meaning. You're a typical low IQ sophist. I did not say I shared the belief. I simply said that the belief had developed among the peoples of many different countries at different times, in part based on THEIR interpretations of the Torah and the Talmud. So you have set up and attacked a straw man. This is why I call you "Fallacy Lover." Another poster noted thatyour initials FL are also short for French Letter (condom) or "Fuck Sheath." So go fuck yourself, Fuck Sheath. Your "intuition" has betrayed you. You are the one who "mindlessly" does things. It must be very unpleasant being you. It's a shame your mother didn't abort you. You being you must be very unpleasant not only for other people but also for you. So fuck off. Go and make the world a better place.
What about Haman?
Antisemitism long predates Muhammed. Jews have been perceived to be a predatory people who exploit and cause harm to non-Jews they live among and have been hated by many different, unconnected peoples in far flung places, separated by vast geography, and in different historical times. HAMAS TV propagandizes that the Jews use the blood of murdered Christian children to make matzah. There have been repeated expulsions of the Jewish people from many different countries, often associated with these "blood libels," throughout history. Blood libels are the belief that some of the Jews secretly practice ritual child murder of the children and infants of other races and religions and devour the blood of the murdered chidren in religous rituals. Antisemitism was rife in Germany and Austria long befire Hitler. The "overrepresentation" of Jewish people in prominent positions in Germany was resented, in part probably because of the belief that these positions were not achieved on merit but by Jews favoring other Jews and discriminating against non-Jews.
Clear examples of anti-Jewish sentiment can be traced back to Alexandria in the 3rd century BCE. Alexandrian Jewry were the largest Jewish community in the world and the Septuagint, a Greek translation of the Hebrew Bible, was produced there. Manetho, an Egyptian priest and historian of that time, wrote scathingly of the Jews and his themes are repeated in the works of Chaeremon, Lysimachus, Poseidonius, Apollonius Molon, and in Apion and Tacitus. Feldman, a student of antisemitism, reports that after the time of Manetho "the picture usually painted is one of universal and virulent anti-Judaism".
I love it, how intelligent people continue their discussion, ignoring Jew-Hater WokeHardAsleep, despite his insistence on inserting his idiocy 😂🤣😂🤣🤡
I love it how they do that to you troll, you genetic defect. In your world people are either Jew-Lovers or Jew-Haters. You're the former, probably because you have a master race mentality and fell in love with yourself like Narcissus did in the Greek myth, you racist scum. But not worshipping you, not loving you, does not make soneone a Jew-Hater. It must be miserable that you are you, both for yourself as well as for other people. Do the right thing.
One can easily see that those who hate the Jews could fabricate horror stories to negatively paint them as evil. There are many examples in modern times of individuals and groups falsely accusing other individuals and groups as wrong doers. Good example is all the leftists who repeatedly accuse Trump of committing crimes, yet he's never been convicted of a crime as of yet, and the current indictments are all obviously lawfare. Your example of a Egyptian priest is interesting. This priest would be vehemently opposed to Judaism and Christianity, so why wouldn't he be antisemite?
Duane, the priest, who was one of the first known Jew-haters, lived in a pre-Christian era so could hardly be vehemently opposed to Christianity. Also, as an Egyptian, or Arab, he was a Semite. At the time that he lived, he had lived among Jews. He became a Jew-Hater. The point of the post is that anti-semitism did not begin with Muhammed or Hitler. Jew-Hatred has arisen in many, many, many countries for at least two millenia. See the section in the article at the link on expulsiins of Jews by country:
Expulsions and exoduses of Jews
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsions_and_exoduses_of_Jews
No doubt the Jews were persecuted, and the lengthy list of expulsions indicates that they're always the victims. The question remains, why? Reading Mein Kampf, Hitler has no logical reason to persecute them, he just hates them. Same thing with the Qur'an, Muhammad just hates them. Muhammads reasoning is that since they won't become Muslims, they're to be despised. He also was after their wealth. In all these discussions, I have yet to see any logical reason as to why the persecution. If there was any "child sacrifice" that had to be in prehistoric times, no mention of this in the Qur'an. Does anyone know if this is referenced in the Bible?
Again, what about the Christian Palestinians?
Maher has a history of being progressive, while claiming to be a libertarian. But yes, he deserves much credit for defying the progressive demand for absolute consensus to the narrative, which is 'Israel bad, Jews bad, Hamas good'. Being that Maher is Jewish, through his mother, we can guess that a dose of reality has sobered him up on this issue. In today's ugly atmosphere, it takes some balls to break the duress of lefty consensus.
In another video, I heard his claiming not being Jewish, which surprised me.
I've not seen that, but it's possible that he did. His mother was Jewish, his father was Irish and Catholic. He was raised as Catholic til his early teens, I think. But because in Judaic law, a child of a Jewish mother is automatically a Jew, I suppose he leaned into that, at least secularly.
Rhett Butler speaks for me concerning the state of the State of Israel.
You should care, if you have any literacy in the Hamas charter, and how far-reaching its scope. What they are doing to Israel is not happening in a vacuum. They---meaning not just Hamas, but the multitudinous tentacles of the Muslim Brotherhood have been very vocal and open about their intentions, and those intentions are not just the annihilation of Israel, but the extermination of all Jews, everywhere. And their efforts are also applicable to every demographic of *unbelievers*, and every country to submit to Islam. When someone tells and shows you who they are, believe them.
Exactly. Serious believers in Allah are called to wipe out all “infidels” or enslave them. This is unmistakably written in the Koran:
“When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them" (Sura 9:5)
"When you meet the unbelievers in the battlefield, strike off their heads" (Sura 47:4).
"Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home: an evil fate" (Sura 9:73).
"The true believers fight for the cause of God, but the infidels fight for the devil. Fight then against the friends of Satan" (Sura 4:76).
"Muhammad is God's Apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another" (Sura 48:29).
Not only Jews, Christians or any atheists, but also non-Muslims are their targets.
Not a "peaceful" religion, as is often falsely claimed.
It's actually a form of government hidden under the window dressing of *religion*, to gain acceptance.
They reject the divinity of Christ and don't follow the New Testament. Christianity would be an inferior religion if it followed any part of the Old Testament but not the New Testament. Christianity is a great religion. Some other religions are primitive with holy books full of stories of rape and murder and infanticide and genocide. There are also great non-Abrahamic religions that are peaceful, like Buddhism.
"Christianity is a great religion."
It's comforting to hear you say this explicitly in addition to recognizing how this belief inspires your commentary.
In contrast, so many intellectuals reject their faith as inconsistent with their exaggerated opinion of their own "brilliance."
Practitioners of Christianity have not been perfect. I deplore the rape of small boys, and also sometimes girls, by psychopathic pedophile priests, ministers and pastors and the mistreatment of children by sometimes sadistic nuns. Clergy is one of the most common or preferred occupations of psychopaths, although to a slightly lesser extent than general manager/CEO, lawyer, police and journalist. However, Christianity is still a great religion. As Mahatma Gandhi said— 'I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.'
The Qur'an borrows heavily from the Bible, mentions many Biblical characters, including Mary and Christ. I'd have to go back and read which parts they agree with and disagree with.
Bill Maher is not a theologian. Anyone who says they are the chosen by God is indulging in a tribal god and is the same as any fascist politician who says they are the superior race. To comment in an inteligent way on God's chosen people would mean all of us and the rest is what the political overlords use to maintain power. Who is the oppressed here? Why is Christianity on the side of the oppressed? Since the Biblical time of Amos and the Palestinian Judea people is outlined by the theologian Marcus Borg and why social justice is on the side of the oppressed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0IFAhrSLLQ&list=TLPQMjAxMjIwMjNxpmIb8cEc7g&index=2
What kind of drivel are you spewing now?? 35% of Palestinians are Christian. How many Israeli's are Christian? Almost ZERO, because it's an apartheid, racist state for Joos ONLY. Christian who wants to become an Israeli citizen? Sorry, not happening. Talk about knowing history when you obviously don't know anything about the history of Palestine. Israel is the Synagogue of Satan, those who say the are Joos but are not (Rev. 2:9). They are Talmudist Kaballists.
Maher, most people in the West, and even most people commenting here, including Dr. Alexander, just don't get it. The problem is not the Palestinians but ISLAM. Islam is a Borg sex cult. Resistance is futile. Surrender and get down on your knees with your butt up in the air worshiping Allah or have your head chopped off. The Palestinians are just part of the brain-dead collective doing the queen's bidding.. Once they kill all the Jews in Israel and have all of Palestine, they will turn their attention to all non-Muslims until the whole world is conquered and worshiping Allah.
There is a solution to this conflict. Both Quran and Torah command the love of the neighbour no matter what his origins. Why can't both sides apply what their own religions require? I guess nobody will make money on selling weapons when the hatred is no more?
Evangelical Christians have been able to overcome this hatred between the Jews and Palestinians because they wouldn't pick up a weapon...
Now it all makes perfect sense what this conflict is all about. It is about making sure the hatred is fueled so that the market for the sales of weapons is never dried up...
The Qur'an rarely says, "love your neighbor". Most of it is filled with hate, war, fighting, killing, accounts of the 75 raids that Muhammad made attacking villages and caravans.
I’ve never been a fan. But he certainly lays it out right and easy enough to understand. Hopefully some of his big audience will listen. And wake up.
The Palestinians weren't the only Arabic-speaking people to lose their land in the 20th century. I wonder if even 1 in 1000 people in America or Europe knows about those people, who took the loss (which was no fun) and got on with their lives. All of my relatives who are descendants of these people are thriving now.
I want you should ask God, and believe His response.
(Forget the Texas Nexus)
Bill's annoying but never Matrix Insane as the cohort he identifies upon; themselves low educated, CFR card carrying members, all fake journalists. I rarely scan him, never watch TV, but did notice on snapshot when he was talking sudafed with a guest with both agreeing that the product failed to work. I immediately recalled that kids were producing meth from sudafed about 20 years ago, or so. My Bill question was, what does he know about this product? :)