this shows potency of natural immunity & that it was always more superior to vaccinal immunity; CDC & NIH & FDA etc. LIED to push vaccines, that your natural immunity waned as blood antibodies waned!!
An FLCCC doctor told me he believes omicron is evading natural immunity due to the 23 mutations. That surprised me as I understand natural immunity to be far broader, and it is the vaxxed who are predominantly coming down with Omicron.
Paul, have you come across any research on this or do you have an opinion one way or the other?
My fiancé got the original Covid variant in October of 2020. This week he got sick once again and low and behold he’s positive for Covid! I’m freaking out all over again because I have not been infected yet so to answer that question it is breaking through natural immunity. He is on day three though and feeling almost back to normal already and he’s not vaccinated.
Good news he's recovering. Get some Ivermectin. Make sure your vit D levels are up, above 50 micro/ml. Taje Quercetin and vit C as well. First sign of symptoms start Ivermectin .
I wondered that myself. I was following the protocol as soon as the test came back positive. I increased vitamin D, gave him zinc, quercetin, vit C and I had hydroxychloroquine because I have lupus. Tuesday he almost sounded like he had pneumonia and his nose wouldn’t stop running but when he woke up Wednesday he was almost back 100%! His voice came back, his nose wasn’t running and he had his energy back. It was almost unbelievable so something definitely kicked in! He’s feeling really good today (Thursday) and I’m still feeling good. Fingers crossed!
What a relief to hear he’s already feeling better so quickly and you’re still feeling well. Great job applying early treatment!
My mom takes Plaquenil for her lupus, too, so my hope is that offers her some additional protection. Apparently, it doesn’t work as a preventative, but the evidence is strong that it is a successful component of early treatment.
People get the flu multiple times due to mutant escape from the vaccines. So the same thing is likely with Covid. Over time the flu vaccines have become less effective, again escaping the vaccines.
But did you read this? “But the persistence of antibody production, whether elicited by vaccination or by infection, does not ensure long-lasting immunity to COVID-19. The ability of some emerging SARS-CoV-2 variants to blunt the protective effects of antibodies means that additional immunizations may be needed to restore levels, says Ellebedy. “My presumption is, we will need a booster.””
Basically saying the vaccines or the illness itself doesn’t confer long lasting immunity. So why bother with the risk of the shots? Instead the answer is more shots. I don’t get the thinking of these people.
That’s a difficult one because cause of death is often several factors. E.G. Did the person die from Covid or from the cancer with Covid as a contributing factor. Did the person have early treatment, no treatment, after 10 day of symptomafology treatment? You would have to adjust for all those factors.
Why do the researchers infer that vaccinations will have the same effect and close the paper with the line about needing boosters? It bothers me that covid studies always add these kinds of hypotheses as if they need to counterbalance the good news with pro-vax propaganda talking points. Can't they just stick to what the study demonstrated without editorializing?
what about people like me that are simply immune to Flu, never had covid and spent plenty of time around those that did.
do i show antibodies? probably not but im fairly certain at this point i cant get it.
has anyone studied us?
remember not everyone got the plague despite proximity yet we have no defence against the bullshit if we went to France or some other totalitarian hellhole
I am replying because my family seems similar. I am 54 and have never had a flu. I have 4 sons, 20-27, likewise have never had a flu. I don't know regarding coronaviruses. I have had ruuny nose, post nasal drip, etc, but not frequently. So rare I can likely remember each circumstance and who can say if they were cold or allergies? My sons had snotty noses as children, but again, very infrequently. Once every few years? Their cousins sick nearly once a month, they saw them weekly and never got sick.
Now, my 2 unvaccinated for covid sons have been exposed to covid and have not gotten it. Two of my sons got the vaccines, also they have not had covid. I am unvaccinated, over the holidays I tested positive when testing prior to holiday visits. I continued to test positive intermittently for 2 weeks. The only symptoms I was aware of the entire time: extreme sense of smell for 8 days followed by raspy voice for 2 days, then minor post nasal drip for less than a day, more like for an afternoon. Oh. And continuing to test positive on Abbot home tests. The 2 sons that live with me, nothing.
I think back to that study from the UK in which a third of cohabitants never got covid when others in the household were sick with it. When my sons were young they were repeatedly exposed to chickenpox, not vaccinated for it and never got it. Eventually we checked and they had titers for it. I suspect those with strong foundation of health have an efficiently running immune system. When exposed to a virus, the immune system rises to the occasion, faces the viral invader and wins. No illness. Perhaps after repeated battles enough antibody titers are gained and eventually follow with immunity.
This is my anecdotal, layman's hypothesis.
Should such people be studied? Yes. So should those unvaccinated, for covid as well as those without standard childhood vaccinations. Will they be studied? So unlikely as to feel comfortable saying absolutely not.
I think this is what I was hinting at, everyone thinks its all T cells and this is measurable but I doubt it gets that far in some immune systems. I think there are other areas of research that might be more important such as phagocytes, mast cells, basophils and eosinophils that work in the first few hours of exposure
1. Neither myself nor my sons received standard childhood vaccinations. I wonder if there is a connection, an ingredient or accumulation of ingredients that while possibly assisting in preventing certain illnesses potentially also weakens the overall immune system.
2. We (society, science, doctors...humanity) really know very little about viruses and are making an awful lot of assumptions based on theory and likely based on what we know of bacterial infections.
Avtually Debbie, a lot is known about viruses. Even in the 1960’s when I was in university and did a course in virology, quite a bit was known. The problem is that the medical profession fixates on the disease-causing entity—the virus. They give little thought to how brilliant a properly functioning body is, in dealing with viruses.
In fact how well you do is related to the fied of Psychoneuroimmunology. Sorry, tha’s a mouthful. Your psychology (emotional state), your nervous system, and your immune system are all linked. What happens in one, affects the other two.
Now take all that knowledge of all that is known about viruses and appreciate that including everything we know is actually less than 1% of what there is to know about viruses. That is what I am saying. The study and theory of viruses is actually in it's infancy. We think so highly of ourselves, are so overly confident in our intelligence, abilities and progress that it's hard to even imagine how little we actually know.
The totality of progress and knowledge and still, we essentially know nothing. We stumble about in our arrogance and hubris, like a toddler slashing about with a steak knife pretending at surgery.
i think this book will blow your mind if even half of it is right, chapter 2 is especially interesting and disturbing if you read anything of it. http://www.whale.to/vaccine/sf.html
What we are dealing with is the greatest betrayal of trust that has ever happened in human history. Short overview of what happened, how it happened, and possible directions where things might progress into.
i had antibodies (blood test) in April 2020 after a mild case of presumed covid a month earlier, and went to test again a year or so later and no antibodies showed up this time, so my protection has worn off i would assume. Am i wrong?
I'm not sure what to think any more. My daughter got the early Covid in November 2020. She's a nurse and has been around a great many covid patients since that time, and she has even worked exclusively in the covid ward of her hospital. She is unvaxxed, and has not gotten covid again. My son had what I suspect was the very early covid...he was a student at UC Davis near the SF Bay area in early December 2019. He and his girlfriend were VERY sick, and at that time the doctors couldn't figure out what everyone had as it wasn't quite the typical flu. Since that time, 25 months, my son and girlfriend (both unvaxxed) also haven't had covid again....UNTIL January 5. Both of them came down very suddenly with what appears to be Omicron...she tested "positive" on a test for whatever that is worth, son did not get the test but he was actually a bit sicker than she was. They were sick for about 2 days, then really tired for several days after that.
So how to interpret all this? Did my son's natural immunity simply not confer immunity to Omicron? Or did his natural immunity simply wane to the extent that it's not longer protective? Or is Omicron so completely different that both prior immunity and vaccination are useless?
It’s easy to differentiate a virus from a bacteria. Bacteria are grown on agar plates (as are viruses)into cultures. Also with staining techniques bacteria are easily viewed under a light microscope and identified. PCR doesn’t tell you if you’re sick, it just tells you what organism(s) are present in the sample.
" Detection of viral RNA may not indicate the presence of infectious virus or that 2019-nCoV is the causative agent for clinical symptoms, This test cannot rule out diseases caused by other bacterial or viral pathogens." CDC 2019-Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) Real-Time RT-PCR Diagnostic Panel Page 38 https://www.fda.gov/media/134922/download
Mullins, who developed the test said it was not for screening, but when a patient was sick it was to detect which organism is present. I’ll give you an example:
When our dog was 3 months old he got a vaccine (wasn’t my idea). Within a day he started getting sick. Within three days he had rattles in his chest. It turned out he had pneumonia. They aspirated his lung and sent the sample out for a PCR test. It came back as the organism that was in the vaccine. It was then treated appropriately.
There’s a reckoning coming! We have to keep fighting.
An FLCCC doctor told me he believes omicron is evading natural immunity due to the 23 mutations. That surprised me as I understand natural immunity to be far broader, and it is the vaxxed who are predominantly coming down with Omicron.
Paul, have you come across any research on this or do you have an opinion one way or the other?
My fiancé got the original Covid variant in October of 2020. This week he got sick once again and low and behold he’s positive for Covid! I’m freaking out all over again because I have not been infected yet so to answer that question it is breaking through natural immunity. He is on day three though and feeling almost back to normal already and he’s not vaccinated.
Good news he's recovering. Get some Ivermectin. Make sure your vit D levels are up, above 50 micro/ml. Taje Quercetin and vit C as well. First sign of symptoms start Ivermectin .
Very interesting—thanks for sharing your direct experience! I wonder if his natural immunity made it milder than it otherwise would’ve been …
I wondered that myself. I was following the protocol as soon as the test came back positive. I increased vitamin D, gave him zinc, quercetin, vit C and I had hydroxychloroquine because I have lupus. Tuesday he almost sounded like he had pneumonia and his nose wouldn’t stop running but when he woke up Wednesday he was almost back 100%! His voice came back, his nose wasn’t running and he had his energy back. It was almost unbelievable so something definitely kicked in! He’s feeling really good today (Thursday) and I’m still feeling good. Fingers crossed!
What a relief to hear he’s already feeling better so quickly and you’re still feeling well. Great job applying early treatment!
My mom takes Plaquenil for her lupus, too, so my hope is that offers her some additional protection. Apparently, it doesn’t work as a preventative, but the evidence is strong that it is a successful component of early treatment.
People get the flu multiple times due to mutant escape from the vaccines. So the same thing is likely with Covid. Over time the flu vaccines have become less effective, again escaping the vaccines.
i think the doc is wrong, its evading vaccine immunity due to the mutations, natural seems to be much better
My thoughts as well 🤔
But did you read this? “But the persistence of antibody production, whether elicited by vaccination or by infection, does not ensure long-lasting immunity to COVID-19. The ability of some emerging SARS-CoV-2 variants to blunt the protective effects of antibodies means that additional immunizations may be needed to restore levels, says Ellebedy. “My presumption is, we will need a booster.””
Basically saying the vaccines or the illness itself doesn’t confer long lasting immunity. So why bother with the risk of the shots? Instead the answer is more shots. I don’t get the thinking of these people.
makes sense but can anyone address the narrative that vaxxed are less likely to die than unvaxxed? Seem 'their' numbers support this.
That’s a difficult one because cause of death is often several factors. E.G. Did the person die from Covid or from the cancer with Covid as a contributing factor. Did the person have early treatment, no treatment, after 10 day of symptomafology treatment? You would have to adjust for all those factors.
Why do the researchers infer that vaccinations will have the same effect and close the paper with the line about needing boosters? It bothers me that covid studies always add these kinds of hypotheses as if they need to counterbalance the good news with pro-vax propaganda talking points. Can't they just stick to what the study demonstrated without editorializing?
what about people like me that are simply immune to Flu, never had covid and spent plenty of time around those that did.
do i show antibodies? probably not but im fairly certain at this point i cant get it.
has anyone studied us?
remember not everyone got the plague despite proximity yet we have no defence against the bullshit if we went to France or some other totalitarian hellhole
I am replying because my family seems similar. I am 54 and have never had a flu. I have 4 sons, 20-27, likewise have never had a flu. I don't know regarding coronaviruses. I have had ruuny nose, post nasal drip, etc, but not frequently. So rare I can likely remember each circumstance and who can say if they were cold or allergies? My sons had snotty noses as children, but again, very infrequently. Once every few years? Their cousins sick nearly once a month, they saw them weekly and never got sick.
Now, my 2 unvaccinated for covid sons have been exposed to covid and have not gotten it. Two of my sons got the vaccines, also they have not had covid. I am unvaccinated, over the holidays I tested positive when testing prior to holiday visits. I continued to test positive intermittently for 2 weeks. The only symptoms I was aware of the entire time: extreme sense of smell for 8 days followed by raspy voice for 2 days, then minor post nasal drip for less than a day, more like for an afternoon. Oh. And continuing to test positive on Abbot home tests. The 2 sons that live with me, nothing.
I think back to that study from the UK in which a third of cohabitants never got covid when others in the household were sick with it. When my sons were young they were repeatedly exposed to chickenpox, not vaccinated for it and never got it. Eventually we checked and they had titers for it. I suspect those with strong foundation of health have an efficiently running immune system. When exposed to a virus, the immune system rises to the occasion, faces the viral invader and wins. No illness. Perhaps after repeated battles enough antibody titers are gained and eventually follow with immunity.
This is my anecdotal, layman's hypothesis.
Should such people be studied? Yes. So should those unvaccinated, for covid as well as those without standard childhood vaccinations. Will they be studied? So unlikely as to feel comfortable saying absolutely not.
You obviously have a strong immune system with strong memory T-lymphocytes. Apparently, that’s foreign to these people.
I think this is what I was hinting at, everyone thinks its all T cells and this is measurable but I doubt it gets that far in some immune systems. I think there are other areas of research that might be more important such as phagocytes, mast cells, basophils and eosinophils that work in the first few hours of exposure
I wonder if there is more at play than that. Elements to physiology that as yet have been completely unidentified and undiscovered.
Our most brilliant researchers standing firm and confident when in reality they know so little regarding viruses as to not know anything at all.
Perhaps.
I suspect 2 things:
1. Neither myself nor my sons received standard childhood vaccinations. I wonder if there is a connection, an ingredient or accumulation of ingredients that while possibly assisting in preventing certain illnesses potentially also weakens the overall immune system.
2. We (society, science, doctors...humanity) really know very little about viruses and are making an awful lot of assumptions based on theory and likely based on what we know of bacterial infections.
Avtually Debbie, a lot is known about viruses. Even in the 1960’s when I was in university and did a course in virology, quite a bit was known. The problem is that the medical profession fixates on the disease-causing entity—the virus. They give little thought to how brilliant a properly functioning body is, in dealing with viruses.
In fact how well you do is related to the fied of Psychoneuroimmunology. Sorry, tha’s a mouthful. Your psychology (emotional state), your nervous system, and your immune system are all linked. What happens in one, affects the other two.
Now take all that knowledge of all that is known about viruses and appreciate that including everything we know is actually less than 1% of what there is to know about viruses. That is what I am saying. The study and theory of viruses is actually in it's infancy. We think so highly of ourselves, are so overly confident in our intelligence, abilities and progress that it's hard to even imagine how little we actually know.
The totality of progress and knowledge and still, we essentially know nothing. We stumble about in our arrogance and hubris, like a toddler slashing about with a steak knife pretending at surgery.
Deb, I will respond to you in an email. It’s too lengthy for a thread without doing a whole article on it.
chiropractors are great. i listen to Dr john Bergman often and its clear youre much better educated on how the body functions together
i think this book will blow your mind if even half of it is right, chapter 2 is especially interesting and disturbing if you read anything of it. http://www.whale.to/vaccine/sf.html
What we are dealing with is the greatest betrayal of trust that has ever happened in human history. Short overview of what happened, how it happened, and possible directions where things might progress into.
https://mellob33.substack.com/p/trust-and-betrayal-how-to-destroy
i had antibodies (blood test) in April 2020 after a mild case of presumed covid a month earlier, and went to test again a year or so later and no antibodies showed up this time, so my protection has worn off i would assume. Am i wrong?
Does this apply to Omnicron too?
I am seeing articles that say Omnicron only provides six month immunity .How do they know that for sure?
Any information yet on whether those with natural immunity are producing auto-antibodies e.g. to ACE2?
I'm not sure what to think any more. My daughter got the early Covid in November 2020. She's a nurse and has been around a great many covid patients since that time, and she has even worked exclusively in the covid ward of her hospital. She is unvaxxed, and has not gotten covid again. My son had what I suspect was the very early covid...he was a student at UC Davis near the SF Bay area in early December 2019. He and his girlfriend were VERY sick, and at that time the doctors couldn't figure out what everyone had as it wasn't quite the typical flu. Since that time, 25 months, my son and girlfriend (both unvaxxed) also haven't had covid again....UNTIL January 5. Both of them came down very suddenly with what appears to be Omicron...she tested "positive" on a test for whatever that is worth, son did not get the test but he was actually a bit sicker than she was. They were sick for about 2 days, then really tired for several days after that.
So how to interpret all this? Did my son's natural immunity simply not confer immunity to Omicron? Or did his natural immunity simply wane to the extent that it's not longer protective? Or is Omicron so completely different that both prior immunity and vaccination are useless?
If you ever had a cold, you are immuned. It's hard to say who had "Covid" if the fake test can not differentiate a virus from a bacteria.
The entire Covid Plandemic is a lie, a premeditated vaxx Genocide
Satanic Pfizer: The Occult Symbolism Found On The Pfizer Mural. They Are Mocking Us
The Pfizer Mural created in 1960 depicts Coronavirus officially discovered in 1965
https://lionessofjudah.substack.com/p/satanic-pfizer-the-occult-symbolism
It’s easy to differentiate a virus from a bacteria. Bacteria are grown on agar plates (as are viruses)into cultures. Also with staining techniques bacteria are easily viewed under a light microscope and identified. PCR doesn’t tell you if you’re sick, it just tells you what organism(s) are present in the sample.
" Detection of viral RNA may not indicate the presence of infectious virus or that 2019-nCoV is the causative agent for clinical symptoms, This test cannot rule out diseases caused by other bacterial or viral pathogens." CDC 2019-Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) Real-Time RT-PCR Diagnostic Panel Page 38 https://www.fda.gov/media/134922/download
Mullins, who developed the test said it was not for screening, but when a patient was sick it was to detect which organism is present. I’ll give you an example:
When our dog was 3 months old he got a vaccine (wasn’t my idea). Within a day he started getting sick. Within three days he had rattles in his chest. It turned out he had pneumonia. They aspirated his lung and sent the sample out for a PCR test. It came back as the organism that was in the vaccine. It was then treated appropriately.