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I'm so old. In my day blowing a tranny meant you had car trouble.

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It still does unless you are one of the tiny percentage of one percent of people who are queer enough to think that plastic surgery can change genetics.

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The problem is that this is a potential billion $ business and the medical profession is allowing this to continue. If they can be corrupt wrt Covid, they can be corrupt wrt gender confusion.

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A few hundred or thousand well-motivated people showing in the right place at the right time can overcome the greed of a fraction of that number. It is well past the time when we should be filling the lobbies of hotel where these corrupt and greedy people collect to spread their lies to their fellows.

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The whole idea is revolting!

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how about we stop using this term trans WOMAN to decribe a man who has mutilated himself out of such delusion and self hatred as is behind this phenomenon

he is stil man therefore trans MAN is more accurate, describing a man who has sought to go beyond ( in latin trans) what he was meant to be

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Right? "Trans" means "to move beyond," right? You don't "move beyond" the sex you're born with, bro! Holy cow!

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that is precisely my point!!!!

not that they can move beyond, BUT THEY ARE FOOL ENOUGH TO TRY

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Not in any way, shape or form a WOMAN. Not even TRANS: just IMPOSTORS.

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I’m with Chase. I used to get a bi guy here and there messaging me on dating sites. I’d say ewww sorry but no! He’d say why?? I’d say cause you’re half gay...which is true in my world. Females seem to be much cooler with this than guys, I don’t get it...a gay or bi guy is a huge turn off to me. Call me a homophobe.

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Actually I would further argue that since true consensual sex requires “informed consent” you actually would have an instance of rape, just as sex with a “consenting” minor is consider rape if the child was less than the legal age of consent. The problem is that in this era of “defund the police” and official “trans-philia” it would BD hard to make a rape charge stick in court.

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"A dude wanting to put his dick in my butt is a huge turn off for me."

Somehow lol.

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Nah.. you're "normal". 🤔

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"And even if you manage to get a drunk guy home with you he'll turn tail and bolt the second he gets a whiff of your diseased, infected axe-wound.

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They'll bury you with a headstone marked with your birthname. And every passer-by for eternity will know a man is buried there. Your body will decay and go back to the dust. And all that will remain of your legacy is a skeleton that is unmistakably male. This is your fate."

- Deep Fake Biden nails it!

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margolis/2023/02/03/you-have-to-watch-this-viral-deepfake-of-joe-biden-talking-about-trans-women-n1667619

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How is this even a discussion...of course that is gay, and it’s beyond disgusting. What the heck is wrong with people’s brains anymore; if you’re a man and sleep with someone who has a Johnson and a pair of nuts, then that is gay. Period. How are we overthinking the most basic of things anymore. As my boss used to say, “you can put lipstick on a pig...it’s still a pig”.

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I have to guess you have never been there

Some of the most beautiful women on earth are men

Quite a lot of "victoria secret' super models are men

I always say if its short, fat, and big-hips its a woman

If its tall, beautiful, slender, and has huge tits, with a barbie doll body, its a MAN

The actual stereo type of the perfect woman, as shown by Barbie doesn't exist, some women have tried plastic surgery, but it doesn't age well;

These men who play women, are really failed actors; Quite often its their voice that is the give-away, unless that too is surgically corrected;

They have surgery to cut off the balls and penis, insert a plastic tube which becomes the vagina, build up a clitoris from old penis tissue, the only problem they have is natural lubrication, which is why the 'gals' always carry cases of KY-JELLY; But like penis pumps for enough money they can implant ky-jelly dispensers in the faux vagina, and you can get blue-tooth controlled pumps;

The real issue for men who have not been 'tricked' or men who haven't been there who say "I would have known", all I can say is that you have not been there; I have met beautiful women out all over the world, and 99% of the time figured out that he was a a she;

Just twice did I get as far as figured it out well into the foreplay section, it would help if your not drunk or could keep the lights on, but in reality you really can't tell;

Probably for most guys dumber than a rock its when she lights up the smoke after and drops her voice,

Like I said I got faked twice, an both times I wanted to vomit, when I knew what was up, I quickly announced that I felt I was going to puke offered cab money, and got them out of there; It's a place you don't want to be, as I like most males grew up not wanting to suck cock, or fuck a man in the ass, or even kiss a man;

But for those who say "I can tell bullshit", like I already said you could line up the ten most beautiful women at the pageant and had your choice of which to take home and easily pick the tranny.

Unless your a big hip kind of guy, your going to get faked if you go out a lot;

p.s. I would NOT say I had sex, I would say I got close enough to puke; and take a long hot shower;

Lots of rich Japanese men are really into this thing, quite often they sponsor the young boys for the surgery and keep them around, the self life is short I would say most at 24, can no longer be 'escorts'; Most of the 'girls' you meet outside are just trying to perfect their game, they actually place bets with each other at the clubs and say "I will bet you I can get that guy in bed", its their game, they win the game if they can fool the guy all the way through process its a goal in itself, most of the time they already have regular sugar daddy, but they like to go out in groups an see who has the best acting skills.

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You might try to develop a relationship before jumping into sex. And date the bigger hipped gals just to be safe. Your fooled ratio is way above average.

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It's the waist hip ratio of .60 to .70 and their scent that makes a woman sexually attractive. Blue eyes also helps greatly, but is not essential.

Many times I have said to myself that I am determined to not be attracted to women for awhile; I want to save money.

Then I see that hourglass shape and catch the scent and all my resolve is completely gone.

Tanswomen don't have the right scent or shape.

Bilbo's just gay.

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Not all females have big hips or boobs...I don’t, I have a rather boyish figure built by powerlifting. I have a tough time thinking someone can bone a tranny and not tell that’s not a really vajay. There’s lots to swallow going down the rabbit hole but the theory that most celebs and Vicky’s Secret models are trannies is a tough one to believe...not saying I don’t.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObGYcemrcEA

A more beautiful woman, than any woman,

They have been winning beauty contests for years.

VC just came out in 2019, but the fact is they have been marketing their lingerie to RINO men for decades

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I just watched this...it’s from three years ago. Darn feels like it would be recent. Now who’s going to deny that Victoria’s Secret models are trans?

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Big boobs are not essential but straight up and down or maculine V shape does not appeal to everyone.

I have found that it's often best not to enquire "Have you always been a woman?" and to just assume that it's a trans.

Lots of mn do get fooled only to discover too late and then start vomiting.

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True, there are many other things that make a woman female...lack of Adam’s apple a big one...also face structure, some fat in the butt. And females have their feminine wiles...not many MTW would know how to seduce a man for a free dinner.

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What you say is true Bilbo but there are some genuine hyperfeminine ones who naturally have that shape and then it's instant erection.

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Hour Glass shape is largely what they're wearing, surely if you ever actually fucked a woman and took her home and removed her corset and her faux-bra you would know that the hour-glass was all hat and no cattle

The scents can be faked, the tranny's are engineers in perfume & make-up ask any model, who does their hair and make-up, it aint' a female

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"Acting is what Attractive People do when they're NOT fornicating" -Andy Warhol

Andy was way ahead of his time; His second best line is "Everybody gets 15 minutes of Fame, after that your owned, or cancelled" we see so much of that today.

If you see the MSM keep a talking head up +15 min, like Rogan, hey he's owned, or even a Malone;

Andy was Gay :)

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And he was from Pittsburgh my hometown...he was a treasure. You’re a hoot! I felt like I was on “Purple Pill Debate” on Reddit reading your account of your pick-up days and assessment of the modern Western women which I have no argument with...sadly the modern western man has had his balls handed to him and keeps them in a drawer somewhere but forgot where. A few divorces?? Can we get a number?

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Once the you go black the bimbos never go back;

I had an an older sister who like horses (think bestiality), we grew up LA and she hung out at the stables, she got fat & ugly, she worked for post-office and got Transferred to Atlanta with her five kids, within a few months she had four nigger bucks 1/4 her age living in her house taking care of her nubile children; One child escaped, the other became prostitutes. She was white, and when she came back to LA, she would dive nigger bars an on entrance her slogan was "Who wants to fuck a white woman", she died in Atlanta about 10 years ago living in a van, with her pimp friends feeding her; All of her kids are drug addicts, and disabled;

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A truly sad tale..um I can do without the N word but sounds like you have lived a colored (no pun intended) life

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The blacks were from Niger, they were called niggers in the day, and they still call each other nigger

It's only us honky's who can't use nigger word says who??

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I think 1,000's of short-term one nighters and just found my way to sack is not bad odds, that be like less than 0.2 %

I do agree that the kind of women you want to marry, you get to know, but you don't look for marrying women in bars or clubs? Do we?? ( or churches total psychos )

Having gone out a lot when young, and especially at places near large malls' around quitting time, I would say one never had to hang out more than 15 minutes before a gal would ask for a drink to which I would say rather than drink here, lets go to a more comfortable place to which they would almost say ok, cuz like me they're were only there to fuck,

IMHO women who fuck strangers are in general extremely fucked up people, but I wasn't there to be their mentor, just to do my business; Women who go to pickup bars are not there to look for 'relationships', Just my opinion.

My point in post is that 'tranny' is NOT easy to spot, like I already said, Victorias-Secret some of the hottest swimsuit models are earth are men.

There is only one kind of women I rejected going out was coke whores, I find revolting, and didn't like to drink a lot, so I didn't see the point of hanging out in bar drinking when I was only there for sex. But I do recall that there are 365 days in a year, an many times males can go out more than once a night prowling, so its not hard to bang 1,000's ever decade;

I suspect this topic shall bring lots of women who are divorced and were married to US-Marines the strangest and angriest women I have met;

Like most RATIONAL men I quit 'western women' long ago, and now only date women who want to be women. Western Woke women are mentally unfit, sadly they seem to be the majority. I have no doubt that most of the gals on substack are non-woke, but at the end of the day, if the could clean a man out at divorce court they would.

And NO I have had a few divorces they were all amicable, in all cases the woman wanted to be set free, and they all stay as friends.

On the other hands I know tons of guys who got wiped out by wives and child custody insanity, another reason NOT to live in insane west.

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Imho any man who has fucked 1000 women (even 25+) plays a substantial role in the precipitous downfall of Western culture.

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How many women may I fuck and still be on your list? What is the cross over list where you will not spread your legs?

I never once in my entire life fucked a woman who didn't want to be fucked;

Downfall of our culture because man fucks women, you non-binary people "GO TO HELL"

I wasn't married, I never fucked married women ever, but 50% married women would come on, green light, and they would always drop 'my husband is out of town', to which I always said "I don't play with rattle-snakes or married women". I was married once, and didn't like the feeling of my wife "fucking around". They call them sluts for a reason, and they call guys like me Studs;

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You ended up marrying a slut because of your own tastes and behavior. A stud, as you clearly state, is simply a male slut. No need to get angry. You don't need my approval.

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In reflection I was quite happy with my first young wife, but she was bored shit-less of having sex with the same person; I went into marriage assuming it was forever; She taught me that vows don't mean shit, after me kicking her out of the house, she ended as a fat school-bus driver living with a loser.

During my 'single years' I simply never found any good 'honest women' all manipulative sluts', by chance traveling in Alaska met my second wife; Who was combative and fearless and honest; She had just broken up with her only lesbian from college after 7 year relationship, and took a solo camping trip into Yukon & Alaska an we met in a bar in Skagway;

After I set my second wife 'free', I moved to China where I had spent years traveling, eventually I met my third wife working as a teacher in Yunan.

You will like this, years of traveling in ASIA and never fucked an Asian woman once, because I knew that once you fucked them they had given you there most valuable, and I never wanted that baggage, I much preferred the Western system of Fuck&Go.

In summary I now know that ASIAN women are traditional real women, and if your loyal to them, they make the best wives;

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Three wives one turned into a slut during the 'open marriage' era, young marriage, kept me out of it +15 years, thus my proclivity for outdoor fucking easy women.

Following 15 years of 'single' I had two marriages, both were ex-lesbians fed up with dyke politics and man haters, so no desire to 'cheat'; My second marriage ended after 20 years, she wanted to be free, so I set her free; We're still best friends; Since our break-up she went asexual;

The third wife I'm still with an she is princess; 100% woman and wouldn't have it any other way, she hates women who dress up and act like men;

My first wife was an intellectual went to an old womans college, and to fit in she had to hook-up; My second wife identified as a 'lesbian' but never had any sexual relationships until 40, too busy with her career;

Funny thing 'victoria' is that I'm not angry at all, albeit you seem to be a typical western woman probably divorced from MIL guy, they don't get any angrier & uglier than that, almost always obese and power mad;

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No not necessarily. As these creeps seldom disclose their true c on diction if sex with a man really seems likely you may have ended up deceived and defrauded. And have a civil case against the creep for non-consensual sodomy and emotional damages.

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I agree with Chase. I’ve come across all kinds. I believe many who identify being gay are sex addicts who engage in all different types of deviant sex acts. A gay man former college neighbor (he died a few years ago from aids) had sex on the brain all the time, once started coming on to me. I asked him what he was doing and he told me he thought I was hot and wanted to see if I was interested in getting something going. Basically all he wanted was a warm body. I politely declined. Eeeeewww.

Another interesting situation was an aids patient who I took care of had transitioned to female, had already done the bottom surgery, was married to a man who from what I was told identified as heterosexual. My oh my, what ever made him think he was heterosexual? Sees.Because the “wife” had the penis turned inside out and reinserted and could have intercourse? I think the guy was a closet case I don’t know for sure but at the very least this couple were mental cases.

In my opinion, they are all mentally unstable.

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What you are saying is that it is biologically, chemically, physically impossible to change one's gender.

With rare exception if someone's genetics are already messed up.

This should be resolved by genetics testing.

We need to re-introduce genetics testing for Olympic women.

Women should boycott next Olympics if this won't be changed.

Surely the field is more advanced today.

And to my knowledge there still is no gene associated with being Gay either, despite decades of looking.

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In general, and statistically significant, women lack the logic, reason and loyalty of men. History has shown that men build civilizations, and women consume them. As consumers, and not producers, they are far less invested in them, and (as with the war bride scenario) they will switch allegiances as soon as their hindbrain tells them a more powerful male (individual or group) is going to win. This is hard coded in to all of us. Nature, hates weakness. And across species, it is usually the male who is the provider, protector, and the women select based upon their innate desire to have and raise healthy, safe offspring.

As white men, we have failed. We allowed them to vote, often as irrationally as the dykes/leftist trash women in this video. We allowed ourselves, to eat Doritos, and watch a bunch of steroid rage black men run around on a field or court. We got fat, lazy, and uninteresting. So, women began to hold up signs welcoming foreign, darker men to our nations. They began to vote for scumbags like the Clintons, or select communist half-breeds like Obama. They even pick doddering old twats like Biden, and 80 IQ tree stumps like cackling Kamala.

How do we fix the coming EXTINCTION of the white race (31% of the world in 1901, 9% today)? We repeal the 19th Amendment, expel the jews, who are the prime precipitant of the melanin invasion, and stop ALL welfare. If black women have 12 baby dadies, all 12 kids will die unless they work 3 jobs. Nature wants it that way. If their IQ is 70 on average, they will starve in a white nation. Most of us here, are 130-180.

White men must be strong, merciless, and objective. We see the threat, we destroy it. Fuck the pussies who care about pronouns and sex changes. We DESTROY them, en masse. Rivers of blood, and we bathe in them. Religion is a nice myth, but this is far more atavistic. I could perform "culling" for 14 hours a day. I'm an endurance athlete, and have hacked up cows and deer for food, I'm fine being covered in blood, and sleeping, covered in blood.

Hail Victory. Get mean, or go extinct.

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I'd have to be pretty damned drunk.. but if I did, I think I'd cut my own dick off.

OTOH they're easy to spot -- the male face is hard to miss, no hips, silicone-inflated boobs are always obvious -- and the reek of shit out of their plastic-surgery molded cunt would be a dead give-away...

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😂😂😂💩 This thread is getting good 🍿

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Boy u just haven't seen a seriously ugly pro-lapsed cunt have you? They come in all shapes and sizes, and hardly can a surgical man-made cunt being any worse than unkept cunt on a smelly cow. Especially these women who do horses; There used to be a website called awful.com or rotten.com that did photos of guys who ass fucked fire hydrants; At burning-man they have a merry-go-round that wooden horse cock the women mount them and ride roud-n-round the wood penis goes up and down, you don't even want to look at those sagging oversize worn-out vaginas, and those are real women

I think we can all agree that our "Tranny's" Like Levine are easy to spot and butt ugly

On the other hand "Victoria's Secret" swimsuit models often the best looking one in the lineup is a biological man.

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OMG I’m in the right place...this is a thread for the ages. This is why I love you men so much. I hope Dr Paul does not see what he has created...I think it would offend his sensibilities.

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What, because we always cut to the chase / call a spade a spade, so to speak?😘

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Yep...my weakness I guess. I like my men dominant in the sack too so these modern day soy boys who want to know if I prefer a top or a bottom are a no no for me...plus they are all talk.

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I've gathered from "The Social Artists" (Neil Strauss, David DeAngelo, Ross Jeffries, Coach Greg Adams et al) + Colin Wilson this is the case with most women. Not a PC bit of lore, not one little bit...🙂 Alas at 64 I'm getting a bit past all that business.😥

OTOH the Fraudemic and the Crapcines may have a silver lining for guys like me: As a pureblood I'm not sterile either!🤪🤣

PS Neil Strauss' "The Game: Penetrating the Secret Society of Pickup Artists" was one of the most interesting books I ever read... 🤔

https://www.amazon.com/Neil-Strauss-Paperback-%E3%80%902018%E3%80%91-Author/dp/B07D1KP8X7/ref=sr_1_4?keywords=the+game+penetrating+the+secret+society+of+pickup+artists&sr=8-4

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64 and past all that business? Nah...I’m 69 in two weeks and I don’t feel past it.

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No I haven't seen a "pro-lapsed cunt" 🤢... Guess I've lived a sheltered life.. or something.. 😘

Though I seem to recall "rotten.com".. it was revolting... Right down there with "CatholicGuilt.com".. 🤔 Which also no longer exists..

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Having sex with what you believed to be a woman does not make you gay. Being gay means you have a sexual preference for the same sex. So chase, if you have sex with what you thought was a woman, you’d be mistaken but not gay.

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Yes, the tranny who picks up a straight guy and gets him bed, did so as a woman, and if you dared to 'his' face called him a man he would certainly kick your ass, another thing about tranny's or the guy that shot those kids, they tend to be very aggressive people behind the girl act

Which is why in the two cases where I said I got faked, I didn't call them out, I told them I felt ill, wanted to be alone, but I didn't call them out, because can react violently, which means police, and bullshit; So be wary of these people if you ever get caught in such a situation.

They almost always carry knives in their purse, they might be women, or play women, but they're deeply disturbed fucked up human beings.

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I highly doubt that would result in sex if he somehow was unaware when it was showtime and the other party exposed their genitalia. False advertisement is bullshit. I am not a fan of liars myself.

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There seems to be two kinds of Tranny's the Levine type in USA who are these uglier than shit men who put on a dress and a wig and call themselves women, they already have man-tits

Nobody can be faked by them

Then there are professional Tranny's in JAPAN & SINGAPORE that spend Millions of USD to 100% transition, they get boob jobs, vocal cord cuts, tit implants, cut off balls&dick and have an artificial vagina built, which involves a silicon tube inserted and then when it heals there is a vagina, they even have means to externally lubricate; When they cut the penis they leave issue to fabricate a clitoris & labia

Recall that when infants we're all girls, that at about 1-2 months(?) if a boy the vagina closes up and clitoris becomes a penis, the ovaries drop and become balls;

We're all actually women in the womb until very late

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I think that Chase is talking about the Levine type of tranny, and not the 'victoria secret' super models

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Same for the women 2 men in USA, just uglier than hell men; Butt Ugly, and most trannys in USA are butt ugly women

Attractive women generally don't try to make themselves ugly, only angry lesbians.

Most dykes get older become more man like in dress, but to go full they need to do the surgery, which is ugly for all including their lovers.

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These people where there was a plumbing accident were called hemaphrodites...yeah shit happens, we all accepted that. But now they want us to believe that all these trannies are whoopsies gone wild. It’s just an explosion of the mix of attention whoring, social media, low self esteem and infusion of Marxism.

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Absolutely hilarious!

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Gay? IMHO gay is when the guy see's a cock and has an immediate erection, that would be a serious homo, or as we used to say fudge-packer

Long ago they just to tie men to a bed, and show porn and put a resistance bandage around their penis and show photos, and measure erection with electricity;

photos Children, dicks, mature women, and leave the photos on for a long time eventually with a VERY high rate of confidence they could measure who liked COCK, or mature pussy, or nubiles, or infants, or dog & cats, or horse & pigs, or sheep & goats ...

Like all things humans are all over the map, but personally I agree that children who were molested grow up with the same leanings; Parents who engage in bestiality with children present end up creating children with same leanings ( note bestiality is super big in Germany )

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No: You're as debauched and degenerate as the moron who mutilated himself.

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Dr. Paul, I love your unabashed defense of traditional masculinity.

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I find it odd that SCOTUS can't tell a man from a woman, says she doesn't have a PHD, I have yet to meet a 1-2 year old child on earth that can't tell a boy from girl

I find that most of the east women want to be women and men want to be men.

The west it just seems that Hollywood&CIA have tried too damn hard to channel people into non-reproductive relationships

Too fucking hard;

All this fits into together 'get the jab', 'remove your tits', 'cut off your dick' its just culling the human populations.

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Seriously PEOPLE! This is NOT KNEW! It's a WEAPON. Read this please. Understand what's behind it.

https://clifhigh.substack.com/p/lin-biaos-curse-of-trans

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The world is under a well know Satan Trick

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Original USA & Austrialia were PENAL COLONY's women were almost non-existent

Even today down under the men wear dresses and play act as women to entertain other miners at night in minig camps

All of Sydney is Kings-Cross a HUGE tranny area, you walk down the sidewalk and this 6ft shemale opens her trench coat to expose her 44E tits an John-Holmes surgically constructed 'Johnson'

If Australians were not REALLY into this shit then it would NOT exist same for San-Fran even the gov has designated tourist sex areas where you can find your inner HOMO; Look at Paul Pelosi, brings home a sex-slave and gets hit in the head;

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Yep. NEVER escaped slavery. 90+ percent vaxxed?

Some Old farts left for a reason. Know anybody I know?

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There was a time when you could not walk down the street in Kings Cross without being physically accosted by transwomen or biowomen hookers in the main street and even in the side streets there was a brothel on every corner.

Their opening line would usually be "Would you like a woman?" and I would usually say "No, thanks, I just had one."

If you tried to walk away, they would physically restrain you and demand that you go upstairs with them and do some lines of coke and fuck both them and a girlfriend.

Once you got away, doormen would try to drag you into the strip clubs.

I remember one saying "You can get really close to the girls (strippers)" and asking him "How close?"

"Six inches in with a condom" was the reply.

"Why can't I put it all the way in?" I said.

By that time, more hokers had appeared andctried to drag e away.

It was a battle just to walk down the main street.

The hookers, both trans and biowomen, were so aggressive and they did not like taking 'no' for an answer.

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Sounds like AUS should be #1 on my vacation list

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I see a lot of Aussies in Bali; They go there to buy cheap clothes and never return down under :)

Same in USA people go to Mexico to buy cheap pharma, and never return

This OP would really get weird with Aussie women, now those are some strange creatures :) I love them on a share a schooner or Middy level & chat, but never to hop in the sack; They all have this gray skin from not wearing sun-tan lotion when young, most by 30 look 70; Then there is this Aussie tradition where the woman selects the man for sex, rather than the man propositioning the woman; Many aussie men would say why don't you fuck her, she just gave you the green-light, I just kept my thoughts to my self 'not even with your dick".

My first trip down-under and I went many times, I asked why do all the women have black teeth and gray skin, to which I was told "The GOV never told us to to brush our teeth, or wear suntan lotion outdoors", well ok that explains everything; NOT

An entire penal colony that cannot make any life decision until GOV has trained them and permitted them; People talk about the old soviet being fucked up, the British seriously made Australia into a human zoo.

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You disgust me

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😂😂 I rather like the fun disgusting talk. I wonder what that says about me. Men are just wonderfully open and honest.

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Kings Cross is exactly like you said Bilbo, although full of straight hookers too as I said in my other comment.

I am curious about your experiences in Bali.

How did you get your weed supply in? In a boogie board?

I met one of those Australians who was shot for heroin smuggling some years before it happened.

He was Indian Australian working security on the door of a really rough backpacker pub I had been lured to. There was a nightclub in the pub and I realized I had been set up to be robbed and he was to be the muscle. I slipped out the door when he was momentarily distracted having a smoke.

Years later I recognized him as one of the two Australians executed in Indonesia.

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Does that mean you'd like to do him? Top or bottom?

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Down under is slang for australia dumb bot bitches

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I thought you were a glutton for truth ever been down under seen it with your own eyes?

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We clearly do not walk the same earth

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What a sad, miserable life consisting of one night stands and turning tricks down at the glory hole.....

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