'Dark' side of CPR? Why would some prefer a 'natural death' over enduring CPR? CPR can be life saving but even I learnt several challenges with it if performed wrong & patient awakes feeling pain etc.
'Dark' side of CPR? Why would some prefer a 'natural death' over enduring CPR? CPR can be life saving but even I learnt several challenges with it if performed wrong & patient awakes feeling pain etc.
Rare but particularly awful effect of CPR called CPR-induced consciousness: chest compressions circulate enough blood to brain to awaken patient during cardiac arrest, experiencing popping ribs etc.
Father in heaven, I stand before You today in Your omnipotent presence to ask that You grant me strength. I want You to give me the strength to power through all of the tasks today — whether little or big. It is by Your will that I live oh Lord. And I know it is also by Your will I will not go weak today. UNITE WITH GOD AND LIKE MINDED
Do you think there is another motive for this article at this time with SO MANY PEOPLE COLLAPSING SUDDENLY?
Another lifesaving intervention that may not be initiated?
Although it appears the gist of this article is to choose wisely for quality of life over quantity for those with terminal illnesses, will people second guess this approach for young healthy people collapsing suddenly and unexpectedly?
Over the years I have had a few doctors tell me the same things. They first time I heard it I was in the Army on a training exercise and there had been a medical event by the roadside not far from us. It was a man in his late 50s who had a heart attack who was resuscitated by bystanders who took turns until the ambulance arrived, and he died on his way to hospital. The Army Doctor with us gave a short laugh and said that CPR was only good for keeping bystanders busy until help comes. He explained that it is usually a futile endeavour that causes harm to the survivors of the procedure, and many people who try CPR with a poor outcome blame themselves. I never really understood until my Father and I performed CPR on Mum for over half an our, and the whole time I wanted to tell Dad just to let her go and she would be at peace. I would have loved to have spent that time with her just holding her hand and talking to her. It would have been nice because for the first time in many years the whole family were there, even the grandchildren.
I performed CPR on my dog with my foot & revived her after she had a heart attack and sunk in 4ft of water while retrieving a stick. She didn't inhale water because she stopped breathing before she sunk.
As far as broken rubs go, BFD. I've had 13 rib fractures and my sternum split down the middle from various motorcycle & other sports accidents. Only once did a rib bloody up a lung, and it healed in a few months. I'd rather have broken ribs than be dead.
I've saved lives by being at the right place and time. Saved the life of a man who had a heart attack. Did CPR for over 10 minutes before EMS arrived. He and his daughter thanked me and he lived almost another two years.
Men reportedly have a 23 percent higher survival rate than women after out of hospital cardiac arrest. Many feminist and trans women may look like normal traditional, conservative women and men do not want to take the chance that they could be resuscitating a feminist or a trans woman. If it occurs to men thiat the woman in need of assistance could be an E. Jean Carroll type, it's very unlikely they will be okay with the idea of being milked for substantial damages as repayment for saving her life.
"Members of the general public perceive fears about inappropriate touching, accusations of sexual assault and fear of causing injury as inhibiting bystander CPR for women."
Public Perceptions on Why Women Receive Less Bystander CPR than Men in Out of Hospital Cardiac Arrest - PMC
Tricky situation with today's variables. Given the mRNA recent attacks upon American and perhaps the world (we do not know what each bioweapon jab contains as appears formulas have a range here) and add aging with brittle bones with comorbidities, now more than ever all have to review DNRs with family, (do not resuscitate).
Thank you so much for explaining this. There is so much more involved in end of life decisions. People need to be told the truth so they can make informed decisions
Men of the MGTOW movement, which arose out of a backlash against feminism, try to arrange theit lives so as to minimize contact with women as much as possible. They refuse to perform CPR on females unless they are certain the female is not a feminist. They have a slogan:"Do not date. Do not cohabitate. Do not marry. Do not resuscitate." They instruct men that if they enconter an unknown woman in need of CPR they should think "F---k her. Let her resuscitate herself or wait until a feminist comes along to resuscitate her" and should then walk away and do nothing.
Yeah you definitely don’t want to perform CPR on a dying person. You might actually save someone’s life and that’s a horrible thing because of global warming. (Sarc)
When performed successfully, the primary benefit of CPR has always been the providence of an opportunity to stop making fatal errors in lifestyle. Unfortunately it is usually the prelude to open heart surgery when it should be the elimination of a vitamin K2 deficiency.
Obviously age, health conditions, and legal documents signed by the patient all matter. If a patient's lifespan has already exceeded their life expectancy, of if he or she has been suffering from a chronic, painful condition, or if a DNR is in place, then CPR is uncalled for.
This brings up some memories I haven't looked at for some time and I don't know if I want to. Suffice it say I want to live if something were to happen but not with those odds, let me go naturally and peacefully.
This article seems oblivious to the accepted practice of DNR, do not attempt resuscitation, medical order. Accepted practice is, or at least has been, a key feature of personal autonomy, id est, personal choice of the person, or failing that, the health care power of attorney resting generally within the family. This is not, again at least I have never heard of it, a choice of the attending physician alone, without agreement of the power of attorney or the person.
The DNR often follows an Advance Directive, a legal document outlining a person's choices in the future, regarding their own care! Advance directives are encouraged! In the absence of an advance directive, or sometimes on the request of family to do "everything possible," there can be a continuation of futile care, where recovery to wellness is not possible, inflicting unnecessary pain to everyone involved.
Docs know the typical futility of resuscitation. Many I have known have joked about having DNR tattooed onto their chest to save themselves from horrible resuscitations. Docs also know about the horrible effects of "everything possible," because technology has advanced to the point of being able to keep people alive well past the point where they perhaps should have died, again referred to with gallows black humor as "flogging.". The argument that, as a doc, you're not God so are unable to rule out a miracle, is often heard here, and should be upheld, at least in my opinion, though it is never easy. Don't try to play God.
So to skip over the concepts of advance directives and DNR orders here is terrible! Advance directives are a personal choice, which can be changed at any time by you, or your power of attorney. I have seen here, this substack, claiming docs wrote DNR orders during Covid without advance directives or agreement of the patient or family. THAT should NEVER be done.
Ethically, I was taught that starting or not starting, or stopping or not stopping, resuscitation is equally acceptable. But I would always try it because, by the adage, you can't do harm. The person is already dead. But again that's assuming there is not a DNR order or advance directive, which should be honored to honor the person's and or family's wishes.
To ignore this part of the discussion is crazy. Also, talk to your care provider about advance directives, please. I can't encourage this more. It may be your last chance to make your choices known!
Ah yeah, been there three times trying to resuscitate people, one my mother, two strangers, none successful... you can't kick yourself or second guess what would have happened 'if only I had....', the ambulance people said they can get them back, but it can be very messy, they did with one bloke, but after a few weeks in ICU he was declared brain dead and they turned off life support for him. In every case ribs did pop, as Paul says but that's just a polite term for breaking them, the older people are the more likely their ribs will break through brittleness. If you are involved it is very important that you're there for next of kin as I found it helps them know what happened, it provides closure if the soul you've tried to save makes it, or not.. I inadvertently captured one whole episode on my car cam because I parked my car to protect the guy who had collapsed on the road and had the whole lot on video, saved it for the family just in case, but they felt they couldn't bear to watch those last moments, we had him going for 10 minutes then the ambos had him for twenty minutes until they called 'coach' on him, it was sad, it tears you to bits but the reality of it is that you did what you could and it mostly doesn't work out unless they were sort of healthy to begin with. At least if you do succeed in reviving them, yes, they may be worse off, but they might not be dead, at least they get a chance then to properly say goodbye before their time comes..
Father in heaven, I stand before You today in Your omnipotent presence to ask that You grant me strength. I want You to give me the strength to power through all of the tasks today — whether little or big. It is by Your will that I live oh Lord. And I know it is also by Your will I will not go weak today. UNITE WITH GOD AND LIKE MINDED
Do you think there is another motive for this article at this time with SO MANY PEOPLE COLLAPSING SUDDENLY?
Another lifesaving intervention that may not be initiated?
Although it appears the gist of this article is to choose wisely for quality of life over quantity for those with terminal illnesses, will people second guess this approach for young healthy people collapsing suddenly and unexpectedly?
Over the years I have had a few doctors tell me the same things. They first time I heard it I was in the Army on a training exercise and there had been a medical event by the roadside not far from us. It was a man in his late 50s who had a heart attack who was resuscitated by bystanders who took turns until the ambulance arrived, and he died on his way to hospital. The Army Doctor with us gave a short laugh and said that CPR was only good for keeping bystanders busy until help comes. He explained that it is usually a futile endeavour that causes harm to the survivors of the procedure, and many people who try CPR with a poor outcome blame themselves. I never really understood until my Father and I performed CPR on Mum for over half an our, and the whole time I wanted to tell Dad just to let her go and she would be at peace. I would have loved to have spent that time with her just holding her hand and talking to her. It would have been nice because for the first time in many years the whole family were there, even the grandchildren.
I performed CPR on my dog with my foot & revived her after she had a heart attack and sunk in 4ft of water while retrieving a stick. She didn't inhale water because she stopped breathing before she sunk.
As far as broken rubs go, BFD. I've had 13 rib fractures and my sternum split down the middle from various motorcycle & other sports accidents. Only once did a rib bloody up a lung, and it healed in a few months. I'd rather have broken ribs than be dead.
I've saved lives by being at the right place and time. Saved the life of a man who had a heart attack. Did CPR for over 10 minutes before EMS arrived. He and his daughter thanked me and he lived almost another two years.
Men reportedly have a 23 percent higher survival rate than women after out of hospital cardiac arrest. Many feminist and trans women may look like normal traditional, conservative women and men do not want to take the chance that they could be resuscitating a feminist or a trans woman. If it occurs to men thiat the woman in need of assistance could be an E. Jean Carroll type, it's very unlikely they will be okay with the idea of being milked for substantial damages as repayment for saving her life.
"Members of the general public perceive fears about inappropriate touching, accusations of sexual assault and fear of causing injury as inhibiting bystander CPR for women."
Public Perceptions on Why Women Receive Less Bystander CPR than Men in Out of Hospital Cardiac Arrest - PMC
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6386169/
Tricky situation with today's variables. Given the mRNA recent attacks upon American and perhaps the world (we do not know what each bioweapon jab contains as appears formulas have a range here) and add aging with brittle bones with comorbidities, now more than ever all have to review DNRs with family, (do not resuscitate).
Thank you so much for explaining this. There is so much more involved in end of life decisions. People need to be told the truth so they can make informed decisions
At first glance I thought this was an advertisement for MAID.
Men of the MGTOW movement, which arose out of a backlash against feminism, try to arrange theit lives so as to minimize contact with women as much as possible. They refuse to perform CPR on females unless they are certain the female is not a feminist. They have a slogan:"Do not date. Do not cohabitate. Do not marry. Do not resuscitate." They instruct men that if they enconter an unknown woman in need of CPR they should think "F---k her. Let her resuscitate herself or wait until a feminist comes along to resuscitate her" and should then walk away and do nothing.
Yeah you definitely don’t want to perform CPR on a dying person. You might actually save someone’s life and that’s a horrible thing because of global warming. (Sarc)
When performed successfully, the primary benefit of CPR has always been the providence of an opportunity to stop making fatal errors in lifestyle. Unfortunately it is usually the prelude to open heart surgery when it should be the elimination of a vitamin K2 deficiency.
Obviously age, health conditions, and legal documents signed by the patient all matter. If a patient's lifespan has already exceeded their life expectancy, of if he or she has been suffering from a chronic, painful condition, or if a DNR is in place, then CPR is uncalled for.
This brings up some memories I haven't looked at for some time and I don't know if I want to. Suffice it say I want to live if something were to happen but not with those odds, let me go naturally and peacefully.
This article seems oblivious to the accepted practice of DNR, do not attempt resuscitation, medical order. Accepted practice is, or at least has been, a key feature of personal autonomy, id est, personal choice of the person, or failing that, the health care power of attorney resting generally within the family. This is not, again at least I have never heard of it, a choice of the attending physician alone, without agreement of the power of attorney or the person.
The DNR often follows an Advance Directive, a legal document outlining a person's choices in the future, regarding their own care! Advance directives are encouraged! In the absence of an advance directive, or sometimes on the request of family to do "everything possible," there can be a continuation of futile care, where recovery to wellness is not possible, inflicting unnecessary pain to everyone involved.
Docs know the typical futility of resuscitation. Many I have known have joked about having DNR tattooed onto their chest to save themselves from horrible resuscitations. Docs also know about the horrible effects of "everything possible," because technology has advanced to the point of being able to keep people alive well past the point where they perhaps should have died, again referred to with gallows black humor as "flogging.". The argument that, as a doc, you're not God so are unable to rule out a miracle, is often heard here, and should be upheld, at least in my opinion, though it is never easy. Don't try to play God.
So to skip over the concepts of advance directives and DNR orders here is terrible! Advance directives are a personal choice, which can be changed at any time by you, or your power of attorney. I have seen here, this substack, claiming docs wrote DNR orders during Covid without advance directives or agreement of the patient or family. THAT should NEVER be done.
Ethically, I was taught that starting or not starting, or stopping or not stopping, resuscitation is equally acceptable. But I would always try it because, by the adage, you can't do harm. The person is already dead. But again that's assuming there is not a DNR order or advance directive, which should be honored to honor the person's and or family's wishes.
To ignore this part of the discussion is crazy. Also, talk to your care provider about advance directives, please. I can't encourage this more. It may be your last chance to make your choices known!
Ah yeah, been there three times trying to resuscitate people, one my mother, two strangers, none successful... you can't kick yourself or second guess what would have happened 'if only I had....', the ambulance people said they can get them back, but it can be very messy, they did with one bloke, but after a few weeks in ICU he was declared brain dead and they turned off life support for him. In every case ribs did pop, as Paul says but that's just a polite term for breaking them, the older people are the more likely their ribs will break through brittleness. If you are involved it is very important that you're there for next of kin as I found it helps them know what happened, it provides closure if the soul you've tried to save makes it, or not.. I inadvertently captured one whole episode on my car cam because I parked my car to protect the guy who had collapsed on the road and had the whole lot on video, saved it for the family just in case, but they felt they couldn't bear to watch those last moments, we had him going for 10 minutes then the ambos had him for twenty minutes until they called 'coach' on him, it was sad, it tears you to bits but the reality of it is that you did what you could and it mostly doesn't work out unless they were sort of healthy to begin with. At least if you do succeed in reviving them, yes, they may be worse off, but they might not be dead, at least they get a chance then to properly say goodbye before their time comes..