Jill I don’t see your links… Mom blood bank doesn’t allow direct. Crazy!!! But worse their standard conflicts w/RC pertaining to RC eligibility to take NO blood by those vaxxed outside US … Today RC says where a person is vaxxed isn’t a question on their list so I’m waiting for a supervisor. CRAZY.
In all I saw where a baby given vaxxed blood passed ugh Moms 94 and a bit frail ugh This sounds like a crap shoot
Jill I’m working through the LauraLyn video have call with doc about potential special permission for direct donor. Moms doc is an awesome advocate and I’m going a couple of ways with George on her video it Ty Ty
Also I raised the discrepancy with the RC abt blood from donors outside the US. There would appear to be internal disagreement on that point and I’m told they will call me back once they review the recordings of the conversations from last night when I was told in no uncertain terms that RC did not take in blood from anyone vaxxed outside of the US bc they could not verify the ingredients and in addition i thought they reiterated their guidelines come from the FDA. The FDA however told me today that is not their policy and they accept any and all donors in or out of the US w/ out checking vaccine is cards. The description last night was they do it on the honor system. Really???!!! Honor? It’s way too late for that Dr Fauci
. I am suppose to get clarification. When I do I will let u know.
Thank you for doing this. I plan on joining within the month when I meet with my own physician who supports my efforts. Thank u for yours. In the meantime, I have meetings with moms doctors tomorrow and Thursday. Starting tomorrow I intend on going through many of these issues. In the meantime I had a long conversation with a rep of 15 yrs at the FDA She tells me that the FDA is now operating as if COVID is over and disbanded mask requirements as well as vaccine id’s. So my comment to her was “then COVID is over” to which she replied, “ As far as I know”.
So this Swiss doctor said that almost all hospitals are able to do AUTO INFUSION - which is just cycling the patient's own blood back in, but I don't know......
I know how you are feeling, I was my mother's safeguard in and out of heart surgeries.
Hospitals and many doctors were bad enough back then, some years ago, but I didn't have to deal with the killing fields - as you said, "crap shoot" - that are hospitals today.
I always found the best nurses and brought them gifts of whatever their favorite food, drink, candy was....and learned from them, teamed up with them to get around hospital BS.
My dearest friend just had an intensive 5 hour surgery and is doing well, so it can be ok! And she's not young....
God has got us all, no matter what happens, I'll be thinking of you and your mom, who by the way, is amazing to have reached her mid 90s!
Good news two fronts Jill 1. No blood transfusion her count was unexpectedly up. 2.
Preparing for potential directed donation in the future.
This is Not an easy process in NY
HEADS UP The US not as Directed Donor friendly as Laura-Lyn’s podcast guest suggests. The Red Cross does what’s called *Special Collections” processed through a single office in NCarolina. Requires a special form submitted by a doctor The donor can not facilitate the process. The *Special Donors Dept then directs the donor to a client of the RC
There are other blood collectors. I do not know who they are at this time. I can give you phone numbers if u want them for the people I spoke with Let me know. Right now exhausted :)
Not a simple process to navigate, must plan ahead.
The hospital must be a client of the Red Cross if using the Red Cross. During COVID they were doing a lot of Directed Donations. Seemed to have shifted their acceptability to do them bc they believe vaccinations are not a risk to blood donations.
Hope this makes sense let me know if u want more info just tired now :)
Hope you got some rest, and continue to pace yourself. I can get exhausted just thinking about the emergency hospital stuff I went through to keep my Mom as safe as possible.
You've done well to navigate all this.
Someday, if you ever find out what "they" say at the hospital, about Auto Transfusion - meaning just being able to cycle the patient's own blood back in during surgery - please let me know.
Will keep doing the responsible thing and let it take its course. It got complicated bc her anemia called for an iron infusion but it appears somewhere along the line there may be a slow leak requiring blood before hand. I’m trusting as continue in g to be responsible. Questioning and wondering how long the vax stays in the blood. Any idea?
No news yet from the discrepancies with the Red Cross and FDA. Sounds fishy . I think they believe they almost had a clean getaway but have been found out and won’t own up. They told me at first there was too little of the vaccine in the blood to matter. Oh really?????? Liars
Kate- you can do autogalous donation for an upcoming surgery. In an emergency situation you are stuck with whatever you get. The blood banks do not differentiate.
Thank u I wish I could. The only facility does not allow u to donate direct. But here is what is worse the Red Cross doesn’t allow blood donations from people who got vaxxed outside of the US This blood bank who supplies for everyone in the Adirondack region gets their own blood and beside the question if they have travelled outside the US they do not detail where they got their vax They said that never comes up?????? The Red Cross said it was an FDA requirement. I’m struck I think
Red Cross sad last night they do not take in blood from anyone vaxxed outside the US. I understood that was an FDA requirement. Today the blood bank in this region supplying all hospitals does not even ask that question !!??!? I’m on hold with eligibility at the RC and today eligibility is saying that is saying she does not see on her list where that is a requirement??!!! Asked for a supervisor none available so far so she reiterated that’s not on the donor questions list. Last night that were adamant Wow this is bixzarre
Thank u I have to face whether this hospital will even allow a direct donate. This isn’t the hospital but this article expresses the prevailing attitude.
Steve this doctor with impeccable skill and career is telling you that there is an organized genocide being pushed on men, women, and children by our government and the puppet agencies that monitor doctors. You end the interview by saying no one wants to debate you also. Steve wake up, get alarmed, it is way past debate time. It is tribunal time, conviction time, execution time. You have accumulated enough criminal mayhem, and genocide evidence to hang all of these rotten vampires ten times. Instead of debate call for tribunals, peoples courts, these monsters must be destroyed.
The Red Cross needs to know which vaccine people have had. Presumably they are not taking blood from certain vaccines OMG My 94 yr old mom may need 2 transfusions at the end of the week So it stands to reason the blood is effected
You should look up Sacred heart hospital in Spokane.They refused to use unvaccinated blood in the surgery of an infant,which the parents had the people to provide the blood lined up and the baby died as a result of using the vaccinated blood.
What group, Agency, or organization, is behind all the censoring, and threats to revealing truthful information ? The WEF or the NWO? The Covid " Vaccinations" are killing people, some immediately, others, a delayed event.
This entire Covid scam has been orchestrated by your own government, the US DoD/ in bed with the CCP. The entire world was poisoned and the so called “vaccine “ is to make you sick and to track and trace every single person who had this shit injected. Everything else is a distraction to keep your eyes off the REAL 🎯 This has been planned for many years. This will be the hill I die on. God Bless us all.
Pregnant with my 2nd “Covid” baby. First was during heavy jab fever. Refused then nearly got kicked out of the practice. What I would do for Dr. Thorpe as my doctor!!
TRANSCRIBER'S NOTE: At about an hour-and-a-half into this interview, the interviewee, Dr. James Thorp, turns the tables and asks Steve Kirsch how he got started with his vaccine safety research and activism.
TRANSCRIPT [EXCERPT]
1:26:35
STEVE KIRSCH: [a reporter doing a fact-check said] "Steve, you disagree with all of medical science. All the doctors that I talk to, they all disagree with you." I said, Yeah, well, I'm looking at the data. And the data says that they're wrong. And she said, "Well, doesn't it seem to bother you that all these doctors are wrong and you think you're right? I mean, how can you justify your position?" I said, Look, that's what the data says. I mean, there's no doubt about what the data says. I trust what I see in the data. And these people are covering it up. And they're incompetent. And just because—I don't care if every physician in the world says that I'm wrong, it's not what the data says.
And science is supposed to be about, I mean, the definition of science is to have a hypothesis, and you can have a hypothesis that the vaccines are safe and effective, and you can have a hypothesis that the vaccines aren't safe and effective, and hey, look, it's just that all the data that I've seen is consistent with the hypothesis that these vaccines are a disaster. And so, that's why I'm taking the position, is because every single data point is consistent with the hypothesis that these vaccines shouldn't be used.
And she said, "No no, but the doctors say that they interpret the data the other way."
And I said, Well, they're wrong. [laughs]
DR. JAMES THORP: How did you get off on this, how did you get started in this? I mean, you're very knowledgable. Was it RFK?*
STEVE KIRSCH: No. It was a Twitter message. There was this woman who contacted me and she said, "Are the vaccines safe and effective?" And I said, of course they are! Haven't you been listening to the news? Tony Fauci's out there, he's an expert and he says that they're safe and effective. And all the doctors say it's safe and effective. And there're no deaths, and the CDC hasn't reported any deaths. And of course, this is in, I think it's in April [2021] that this conversation happens.
And so I'm totally drinking the Kool-aid. I've been double-vaxxed, my wife double-vaxxed. You know, and I knew about early treatment, but I said, hey, vaccines are safe and effective, so why not? You know? It's just another hedge against disease because hey, you don't want to come down with long haul covid and all this, and so why not? There's no downside to taking the vaccine. So I was a true believer.
And so this woman says, You know, is this true? I say, Of course it's true, the government says so, you've got to trust the government, the FDA is like, you know, they're super anal about these studies that have been—. Of course, I hadn't seen any of the work, right? I'm just doing it based on reputation. And so she says, and I said, Why are you asking me such a dumb question? And [laughs] I was maybe a little bit more polite. But then she says, "Well, three of my relatives died a week after getting the vaccine and they were perfectly healthy."
And I said, No, no, that's impossible.
And then she wrote back, "Yeah, but they're dead."
And so that kind of, that was like a shocking moment, right, because either she's messing with me— there are two possibilities here. Either she's lying or the CDC is lying, our government is lying. One of them is lying. They can't both be telling the truth.
So less than a week later, my carpet cleaner shows up at my front door. He's wearing a mask, and I said, Hey, what's with the mask? You know, haven't you been vaccinated? It's already, you know, it's May, like, you know, how come you haven't been double-vaxxed?
He says, "Well, I could only get one vax because I had a heart attack two minutes after getting the vaccine." And, he says, "I've never been the same, so I can't get a second dose, I'd probably die." And I said, Really? And he said, "Yeah." And then I learned that his wife also had vaccine injury problems.
And I said, eh, this doesn't make any sense to me. How can my carpet cleaner and his wife both be vaccine injured when this is a safe and effective vaccine? That can't happen, unless I'm the most unlucky guy in the world. So I said, this is, I wonder who's telling the truth here? And we should get to the bottom of this. So then I just started getting into it, I started looking at the VAERS data, and I started talking—
DR. JAMES THORP: It's only been a year? It's only been 18 months?
STEVE KIRSCH: No, it's been, this started in May of last year [2021].
DR. JAMES THORP: Wow. Wow.
STEVE KIRSCH: Yeah, so basically in I'd say first of May, I'm singing the praises of the vaccine. By May 25th I'm writing a 280 page article published on Trial Site News talking about how unsafe these vaccines are, how unethical Tony Fauci is, how unethical Cliff Lane is, I name names, I don't pull any punches, and I tell people what I think.
And you know, then of course Wikipedia then turns me into a bad person. I was awarded a National Caring Award, it's in Wikipedia, it's been there from like Day 1 in Wikipedia. They erased that.
DR. JAMES THORP: Oh my God.
STEVE KIRSCH: You know, so this is all about character assassination, this is about going [after] anybody who speaks the truth. And I had to quit my job because I was jeopardizing the company because there were companies that wouldn't do business with us because the CEO is an anti-vaxxer. So I had to leave the company that I founded because of my beliefs.
Now I could have just remained silent. But I just didn't think that was the right thing to do as a citizen of the world. I didn't think that it was the right thing to do to just keep my mouth shut, and keep my head down, and do the right thing for my family.
So my wife was all concerned, that, hey, you're out of a job, nobody will hire you, you're a pariah, we've lost all our friends. And she was going through a lot of angst because of this, because of the stance that I chose to make. But, you know, I've never felt that I did the wrong thing. That, I would rather give up the, you know, I gave up millions in stock options in my decision to leave the company because I thought it was more important to save people's lives and to speak out against the injustice.
And once I quit my job, then I have no more shackles. Right? Doctors have these shackles, where they can't tell the truth because these medical boards will go against them. And so I said, look, there are few people in my position, that can basically say, hey, look, I've earned enough money that I don't need a job, and I can quit my job, and I can go full-time on this because it's the right thing to do. That's how I got—
DR. JAMES THORP: God bless you for doing this. God bless you. Thank you for what you've done. You're a huge platform. You've done an amazing job.
STEVE KIRSCH: Thank you. Yeah, it's been stressful, but you know, it's the right thing to do, and I hope that some day people will realize that.
DR. JAMES THORP: Well, it's not really important what other people think or what Wikipedia thinks of you or me, ultimately.
STEVE KIRSCH: I'm perfectly happy to judge myself. And I have to live with myself and I don't think I could live with myself by having a façade that says, "Oh sure, yeah, yeah, get the vaccine, safe and effective."
It sounds like there are almost no medical doctors or nurses caring for their patients but only for themselves. Surely if every decent one had stood firm allowing ethics to guide them then perhaps the government bodies would have to have backed down. The sheer numbers say so. Even though many may not have known the magnitude of lies early on, given time they most certainly did. No respect ever for those who continued even though gagged for accepting their jobs and money over lives.
Thank you Dr. Alexander for posting this interview. I have heard many interviews with Dr. Thorpe but somehow missed this one. I am beyond mystified how the majority of people cannot see what is happening. When I am presented with documented information such as when I learned that there was mercury in some vaccines ( found out in 1999) I make a decision and I am done with vaccines. Those vaccine makers are liers. They had been keeping that secret. When I learned from Jeffery Smith and Dr. Zach Bush about roundup and glyphosate I was done. No more. I tell people about the thimerosal still in some flu shots and the glyphosate sprayed on everything and the GMO's and VAERS reports and show them documentation...... and nothing changes.
It's a world gone stark raving mad, so called doctors and nurses injecting pure poison into people
Can someone help. For blood transfusion can you ask for non vaccinated blood? Or should we?
I certainly would.
And besides Cheeky's good recommendation of donating your own blood ahead of time (or your mother's) there is something called auto transfusion.
See my answer to you with links above.
Jill I don’t see your links… Mom blood bank doesn’t allow direct. Crazy!!! But worse their standard conflicts w/RC pertaining to RC eligibility to take NO blood by those vaxxed outside US … Today RC says where a person is vaxxed isn’t a question on their list so I’m waiting for a supervisor. CRAZY.
In all I saw where a baby given vaxxed blood passed ugh Moms 94 and a bit frail ugh This sounds like a crap shoot
Jill I’m working through the LauraLyn video have call with doc about potential special permission for direct donor. Moms doc is an awesome advocate and I’m going a couple of ways with George on her video it Ty Ty
https://safeblood.uk/en/location/news-from-the-countries/usa/
Also I raised the discrepancy with the RC abt blood from donors outside the US. There would appear to be internal disagreement on that point and I’m told they will call me back once they review the recordings of the conversations from last night when I was told in no uncertain terms that RC did not take in blood from anyone vaxxed outside of the US bc they could not verify the ingredients and in addition i thought they reiterated their guidelines come from the FDA. The FDA however told me today that is not their policy and they accept any and all donors in or out of the US w/ out checking vaccine is cards. The description last night was they do it on the honor system. Really???!!! Honor? It’s way too late for that Dr Fauci
. I am suppose to get clarification. When I do I will let u know.
No word yet!! Sounds fishy
Thank you for doing this. I plan on joining within the month when I meet with my own physician who supports my efforts. Thank u for yours. In the meantime, I have meetings with moms doctors tomorrow and Thursday. Starting tomorrow I intend on going through many of these issues. In the meantime I had a long conversation with a rep of 15 yrs at the FDA She tells me that the FDA is now operating as if COVID is over and disbanded mask requirements as well as vaccine id’s. So my comment to her was “then COVID is over” to which she replied, “ As far as I know”.
Here's what I first wrote to you Kate:
tottps://safeblood.uk/en/location/news-from-the-countries/usa/
Wonderful Swiss doctor set this up and I heard him talking about AUTO TRANSFUSION -
something he said we should all be able to ask for;
https://www.bitchute.com/video/CjOV15NrMyjA/
So this Swiss doctor said that almost all hospitals are able to do AUTO INFUSION - which is just cycling the patient's own blood back in, but I don't know......
I know how you are feeling, I was my mother's safeguard in and out of heart surgeries.
Hospitals and many doctors were bad enough back then, some years ago, but I didn't have to deal with the killing fields - as you said, "crap shoot" - that are hospitals today.
I always found the best nurses and brought them gifts of whatever their favorite food, drink, candy was....and learned from them, teamed up with them to get around hospital BS.
My dearest friend just had an intensive 5 hour surgery and is doing well, so it can be ok! And she's not young....
God has got us all, no matter what happens, I'll be thinking of you and your mom, who by the way, is amazing to have reached her mid 90s!
Jill thank u thank u Besutiful Laura-Lyn video wonderful, the first link doesn’t open but you are so kind to resend
Doing what I can to be responsible knowing in all Gid is sovereign ! Thank u again!!
PS Keep us posted, let us know how it goes.
Good news two fronts Jill 1. No blood transfusion her count was unexpectedly up. 2.
Preparing for potential directed donation in the future.
This is Not an easy process in NY
HEADS UP The US not as Directed Donor friendly as Laura-Lyn’s podcast guest suggests. The Red Cross does what’s called *Special Collections” processed through a single office in NCarolina. Requires a special form submitted by a doctor The donor can not facilitate the process. The *Special Donors Dept then directs the donor to a client of the RC
There are other blood collectors. I do not know who they are at this time. I can give you phone numbers if u want them for the people I spoke with Let me know. Right now exhausted :)
Not a simple process to navigate, must plan ahead.
The hospital must be a client of the Red Cross if using the Red Cross. During COVID they were doing a lot of Directed Donations. Seemed to have shifted their acceptability to do them bc they believe vaccinations are not a risk to blood donations.
Hope this makes sense let me know if u want more info just tired now :)
I'm SO glad your Mom's count went up!
Hope you got some rest, and continue to pace yourself. I can get exhausted just thinking about the emergency hospital stuff I went through to keep my Mom as safe as possible.
You've done well to navigate all this.
Someday, if you ever find out what "they" say at the hospital, about Auto Transfusion - meaning just being able to cycle the patient's own blood back in during surgery - please let me know.
Dr Della Pietra made it sound so possible........
Will keep doing the responsible thing and let it take its course. It got complicated bc her anemia called for an iron infusion but it appears somewhere along the line there may be a slow leak requiring blood before hand. I’m trusting as continue in g to be responsible. Questioning and wondering how long the vax stays in the blood. Any idea?
No news yet from the discrepancies with the Red Cross and FDA. Sounds fishy . I think they believe they almost had a clean getaway but have been found out and won’t own up. They told me at first there was too little of the vaccine in the blood to matter. Oh really?????? Liars
How generous of heart you are !!
Kate- you can do autogalous donation for an upcoming surgery. In an emergency situation you are stuck with whatever you get. The blood banks do not differentiate.
Not yet. But some people are working on it. Best is to donate for yourself ahead of time.
Thank u I wish I could. The only facility does not allow u to donate direct. But here is what is worse the Red Cross doesn’t allow blood donations from people who got vaxxed outside of the US This blood bank who supplies for everyone in the Adirondack region gets their own blood and beside the question if they have travelled outside the US they do not detail where they got their vax They said that never comes up?????? The Red Cross said it was an FDA requirement. I’m struck I think
Or, of course, a direct blood type match.
Maybe someone you know and trust can donate O Negative blood for your mom?
https://www.redcrossblood.org/local-homepage/news/article/what-is-a-universal-blood-type-0.html
Red Cross sad last night they do not take in blood from anyone vaxxed outside the US. I understood that was an FDA requirement. Today the blood bank in this region supplying all hospitals does not even ask that question !!??!? I’m on hold with eligibility at the RC and today eligibility is saying that is saying she does not see on her list where that is a requirement??!!! Asked for a supervisor none available so far so she reiterated that’s not on the donor questions list. Last night that were adamant Wow this is bixzarre
Thank u I have to face whether this hospital will even allow a direct donate. This isn’t the hospital but this article expresses the prevailing attitude.
https://kffhealthnews.org/news/article/tainted-blood-covid-skeptics-request-blood-transfusions-from-unvaccinated-donors/
Global population reduction and control, the figure of 500 Million remaining after the "Culling" of the Human herd, has been seen.
Steve this doctor with impeccable skill and career is telling you that there is an organized genocide being pushed on men, women, and children by our government and the puppet agencies that monitor doctors. You end the interview by saying no one wants to debate you also. Steve wake up, get alarmed, it is way past debate time. It is tribunal time, conviction time, execution time. You have accumulated enough criminal mayhem, and genocide evidence to hang all of these rotten vampires ten times. Instead of debate call for tribunals, peoples courts, these monsters must be destroyed.
Lead is cheap.
Dr Thorp was on Brannon Howse’s “Brannon Howse Live” last week, and I have never heard him so angry. It was an amazing interview. Can be found at FrankSpeech.com under the TV shows. https://frankspeech.com/video/churches-bribed-13-billion-push-covid-death-shot-pregnant-women
The Red Cross needs to know which vaccine people have had. Presumably they are not taking blood from certain vaccines OMG My 94 yr old mom may need 2 transfusions at the end of the week So it stands to reason the blood is effected
You should look up Sacred heart hospital in Spokane.They refused to use unvaccinated blood in the surgery of an infant,which the parents had the people to provide the blood lined up and the baby died as a result of using the vaccinated blood.
Oh my
Kate- they do not care. To care would mean to admit there was a problem with it.
They don’t label the blood vac or not ugh
… and infected.
https://safeblood.uk/en/location/news-from-the-countries/usa/
Wonderful Swiss doctor set this up and I heard him talking about AUTO TRANSFUSION -
something he said we should all be able to ask for;
https://www.bitchute.com/video/CjOV15NrMyjA/
Tomorrows the day I’m asking to be a direct donor in a hospital that doesn't do that So weee we I’ll see
What did they say about the Auto Transfusion?
At any rate, it sounds like you have a matching blood type to your mom's?
Which is great.
I've also wondered about the plasma that Jehovah's Witnesses used to ask for maybe still do(?)
It's something they always used instead of blood....
Will be thinking of you.
Once again we are the nuts in the room
https://kffhealthnews.org/news/article/tainted-blood-covid-skeptics-request-blood-transfusions-from-unvaccinated-donors/
Basically it’s their way or thee we highwsy
What group, Agency, or organization, is behind all the censoring, and threats to revealing truthful information ? The WEF or the NWO? The Covid " Vaccinations" are killing people, some immediately, others, a delayed event.
globalists collectively
This is the face of the censorship to hide what appears to be mass western democide/genocide.
December 2020 TNI
The NYT, Guardian etc
https://www.bbc.com/mediacentre/2020/trusted-news-initiative-vaccine-disinformation
https://amgreatness.com/2023/01/10/rfk-jr-group-sues-trusted-news-outlets-including-bbc-ap-reuters-and-wapo-over-alleged-antitrust-first-amendment-violations/
This entire Covid scam has been orchestrated by your own government, the US DoD/ in bed with the CCP. The entire world was poisoned and the so called “vaccine “ is to make you sick and to track and trace every single person who had this shit injected. Everything else is a distraction to keep your eyes off the REAL 🎯 This has been planned for many years. This will be the hill I die on. God Bless us all.
And they will all burn in Hell
I want them to burn now!
Pregnant with my 2nd “Covid” baby. First was during heavy jab fever. Refused then nearly got kicked out of the practice. What I would do for Dr. Thorpe as my doctor!!
Bingo, a tragic and stupid state of affairs that now impacts on every medical intervention and our trust in our doctors.
It's an historic interview, I would really encourage readers to watch the full video. Here's another brief excerpt transcribed:
Dr. James Thorp on medical censorship
by Steve Kirsch, January 3, 2022
https://rumble.com/vru732-dr.-james-thorp-on-medical-censorship.html
TRANSCRIBER'S NOTE: At about an hour-and-a-half into this interview, the interviewee, Dr. James Thorp, turns the tables and asks Steve Kirsch how he got started with his vaccine safety research and activism.
TRANSCRIPT [EXCERPT]
1:26:35
STEVE KIRSCH: [a reporter doing a fact-check said] "Steve, you disagree with all of medical science. All the doctors that I talk to, they all disagree with you." I said, Yeah, well, I'm looking at the data. And the data says that they're wrong. And she said, "Well, doesn't it seem to bother you that all these doctors are wrong and you think you're right? I mean, how can you justify your position?" I said, Look, that's what the data says. I mean, there's no doubt about what the data says. I trust what I see in the data. And these people are covering it up. And they're incompetent. And just because—I don't care if every physician in the world says that I'm wrong, it's not what the data says.
And science is supposed to be about, I mean, the definition of science is to have a hypothesis, and you can have a hypothesis that the vaccines are safe and effective, and you can have a hypothesis that the vaccines aren't safe and effective, and hey, look, it's just that all the data that I've seen is consistent with the hypothesis that these vaccines are a disaster. And so, that's why I'm taking the position, is because every single data point is consistent with the hypothesis that these vaccines shouldn't be used.
And she said, "No no, but the doctors say that they interpret the data the other way."
And I said, Well, they're wrong. [laughs]
DR. JAMES THORP: How did you get off on this, how did you get started in this? I mean, you're very knowledgable. Was it RFK?*
STEVE KIRSCH: No. It was a Twitter message. There was this woman who contacted me and she said, "Are the vaccines safe and effective?" And I said, of course they are! Haven't you been listening to the news? Tony Fauci's out there, he's an expert and he says that they're safe and effective. And all the doctors say it's safe and effective. And there're no deaths, and the CDC hasn't reported any deaths. And of course, this is in, I think it's in April [2021] that this conversation happens.
And so I'm totally drinking the Kool-aid. I've been double-vaxxed, my wife double-vaxxed. You know, and I knew about early treatment, but I said, hey, vaccines are safe and effective, so why not? You know? It's just another hedge against disease because hey, you don't want to come down with long haul covid and all this, and so why not? There's no downside to taking the vaccine. So I was a true believer.
And so this woman says, You know, is this true? I say, Of course it's true, the government says so, you've got to trust the government, the FDA is like, you know, they're super anal about these studies that have been—. Of course, I hadn't seen any of the work, right? I'm just doing it based on reputation. And so she says, and I said, Why are you asking me such a dumb question? And [laughs] I was maybe a little bit more polite. But then she says, "Well, three of my relatives died a week after getting the vaccine and they were perfectly healthy."
And I said, No, no, that's impossible.
And then she wrote back, "Yeah, but they're dead."
And so that kind of, that was like a shocking moment, right, because either she's messing with me— there are two possibilities here. Either she's lying or the CDC is lying, our government is lying. One of them is lying. They can't both be telling the truth.
So less than a week later, my carpet cleaner shows up at my front door. He's wearing a mask, and I said, Hey, what's with the mask? You know, haven't you been vaccinated? It's already, you know, it's May, like, you know, how come you haven't been double-vaxxed?
He says, "Well, I could only get one vax because I had a heart attack two minutes after getting the vaccine." And, he says, "I've never been the same, so I can't get a second dose, I'd probably die." And I said, Really? And he said, "Yeah." And then I learned that his wife also had vaccine injury problems.
And I said, eh, this doesn't make any sense to me. How can my carpet cleaner and his wife both be vaccine injured when this is a safe and effective vaccine? That can't happen, unless I'm the most unlucky guy in the world. So I said, this is, I wonder who's telling the truth here? And we should get to the bottom of this. So then I just started getting into it, I started looking at the VAERS data, and I started talking—
DR. JAMES THORP: It's only been a year? It's only been 18 months?
STEVE KIRSCH: No, it's been, this started in May of last year [2021].
DR. JAMES THORP: Wow. Wow.
STEVE KIRSCH: Yeah, so basically in I'd say first of May, I'm singing the praises of the vaccine. By May 25th I'm writing a 280 page article published on Trial Site News talking about how unsafe these vaccines are, how unethical Tony Fauci is, how unethical Cliff Lane is, I name names, I don't pull any punches, and I tell people what I think.
And you know, then of course Wikipedia then turns me into a bad person. I was awarded a National Caring Award, it's in Wikipedia, it's been there from like Day 1 in Wikipedia. They erased that.
DR. JAMES THORP: Oh my God.
STEVE KIRSCH: You know, so this is all about character assassination, this is about going [after] anybody who speaks the truth. And I had to quit my job because I was jeopardizing the company because there were companies that wouldn't do business with us because the CEO is an anti-vaxxer. So I had to leave the company that I founded because of my beliefs.
Now I could have just remained silent. But I just didn't think that was the right thing to do as a citizen of the world. I didn't think that it was the right thing to do to just keep my mouth shut, and keep my head down, and do the right thing for my family.
So my wife was all concerned, that, hey, you're out of a job, nobody will hire you, you're a pariah, we've lost all our friends. And she was going through a lot of angst because of this, because of the stance that I chose to make. But, you know, I've never felt that I did the wrong thing. That, I would rather give up the, you know, I gave up millions in stock options in my decision to leave the company because I thought it was more important to save people's lives and to speak out against the injustice.
And once I quit my job, then I have no more shackles. Right? Doctors have these shackles, where they can't tell the truth because these medical boards will go against them. And so I said, look, there are few people in my position, that can basically say, hey, look, I've earned enough money that I don't need a job, and I can quit my job, and I can go full-time on this because it's the right thing to do. That's how I got—
DR. JAMES THORP: God bless you for doing this. God bless you. Thank you for what you've done. You're a huge platform. You've done an amazing job.
STEVE KIRSCH: Thank you. Yeah, it's been stressful, but you know, it's the right thing to do, and I hope that some day people will realize that.
DR. JAMES THORP: Well, it's not really important what other people think or what Wikipedia thinks of you or me, ultimately.
STEVE KIRSCH: I'm perfectly happy to judge myself. And I have to live with myself and I don't think I could live with myself by having a façade that says, "Oh sure, yeah, yeah, get the vaccine, safe and effective."
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TRANSCRIBER'S NOTES:
Steve Kirsch's blog is https://stevekirsch.substack.com. He is the founder of the Vaccine Safety Foundation https://www.vacsafety.org/
Another excerpt from this same interview, James Thorp on Medical Censorship is at this link.
https://transcriberb.dreamwidth.org/7283.html
*Robert Kennedy, Jr., attorney and founder of Children's Health Defense Fund.
It sounds like there are almost no medical doctors or nurses caring for their patients but only for themselves. Surely if every decent one had stood firm allowing ethics to guide them then perhaps the government bodies would have to have backed down. The sheer numbers say so. Even though many may not have known the magnitude of lies early on, given time they most certainly did. No respect ever for those who continued even though gagged for accepting their jobs and money over lives.
So,What about the hipocrat oath.first do no harm.
Thank you Dr. Alexander for posting this interview. I have heard many interviews with Dr. Thorpe but somehow missed this one. I am beyond mystified how the majority of people cannot see what is happening. When I am presented with documented information such as when I learned that there was mercury in some vaccines ( found out in 1999) I make a decision and I am done with vaccines. Those vaccine makers are liers. They had been keeping that secret. When I learned from Jeffery Smith and Dr. Zach Bush about roundup and glyphosate I was done. No more. I tell people about the thimerosal still in some flu shots and the glyphosate sprayed on everything and the GMO's and VAERS reports and show them documentation...... and nothing changes.
I hope there's a Nuremberg II trial for crimes against Humanity, those two words, suckered in the sheep; "Safe & Effective"....
Thank you. Is there any way her doctor could make a referral to a different hospital?