Dr. James Thorp is a global ObGyn Maternal Fetal Medicine specialist in Gulf Breeze, Florida; interview was on medical censorship, interview with Kirsch
Dr. James Thorp is a global ObGyn Maternal Fetal Medicine specialist in Gulf Breeze, Florida; interview was on medical censorship, interview with Kirsch
Steve this doctor with impeccable skill and career is telling you that there is an organized genocide being pushed on men, women, and children by our government and the puppet agencies that monitor doctors. You end the interview by saying no one wants to debate you also. Steve wake up, get alarmed, it is way past debate time. It is tribunal time, conviction time, execution time. You have accumulated enough criminal mayhem, and genocide evidence to hang all of these rotten vampires ten times. Instead of debate call for tribunals, peoples courts, these monsters must be destroyed.
The Red Cross needs to know which vaccine people have had. Presumably they are not taking blood from certain vaccines OMG My 94 yr old mom may need 2 transfusions at the end of the week So it stands to reason the blood is effected
What group, Agency, or organization, is behind all the censoring, and threats to revealing truthful information ? The WEF or the NWO? The Covid " Vaccinations" are killing people, some immediately, others, a delayed event.
Pregnant with my 2nd “Covid” baby. First was during heavy jab fever. Refused then nearly got kicked out of the practice. What I would do for Dr. Thorpe as my doctor!!
TRANSCRIBER'S NOTE: At about an hour-and-a-half into this interview, the interviewee, Dr. James Thorp, turns the tables and asks Steve Kirsch how he got started with his vaccine safety research and activism.
TRANSCRIPT [EXCERPT]
1:26:35
STEVE KIRSCH: [a reporter doing a fact-check said] "Steve, you disagree with all of medical science. All the doctors that I talk to, they all disagree with you." I said, Yeah, well, I'm looking at the data. And the data says that they're wrong. And she said, "Well, doesn't it seem to bother you that all these doctors are wrong and you think you're right? I mean, how can you justify your position?" I said, Look, that's what the data says. I mean, there's no doubt about what the data says. I trust what I see in the data. And these people are covering it up. And they're incompetent. And just because—I don't care if every physician in the world says that I'm wrong, it's not what the data says.
And science is supposed to be about, I mean, the definition of science is to have a hypothesis, and you can have a hypothesis that the vaccines are safe and effective, and you can have a hypothesis that the vaccines aren't safe and effective, and hey, look, it's just that all the data that I've seen is consistent with the hypothesis that these vaccines are a disaster. And so, that's why I'm taking the position, is because every single data point is consistent with the hypothesis that these vaccines shouldn't be used.
And she said, "No no, but the doctors say that they interpret the data the other way."
And I said, Well, they're wrong. [laughs]
DR. JAMES THORP: How did you get off on this, how did you get started in this? I mean, you're very knowledgable. Was it RFK?*
STEVE KIRSCH: No. It was a Twitter message. There was this woman who contacted me and she said, "Are the vaccines safe and effective?" And I said, of course they are! Haven't you been listening to the news? Tony Fauci's out there, he's an expert and he says that they're safe and effective. And all the doctors say it's safe and effective. And there're no deaths, and the CDC hasn't reported any deaths. And of course, this is in, I think it's in April [2021] that this conversation happens.
And so I'm totally drinking the Kool-aid. I've been double-vaxxed, my wife double-vaxxed. You know, and I knew about early treatment, but I said, hey, vaccines are safe and effective, so why not? You know? It's just another hedge against disease because hey, you don't want to come down with long haul covid and all this, and so why not? There's no downside to taking the vaccine. So I was a true believer.
And so this woman says, You know, is this true? I say, Of course it's true, the government says so, you've got to trust the government, the FDA is like, you know, they're super anal about these studies that have been—. Of course, I hadn't seen any of the work, right? I'm just doing it based on reputation. And so she says, and I said, Why are you asking me such a dumb question? And [laughs] I was maybe a little bit more polite. But then she says, "Well, three of my relatives died a week after getting the vaccine and they were perfectly healthy."
And I said, No, no, that's impossible.
And then she wrote back, "Yeah, but they're dead."
And so that kind of, that was like a shocking moment, right, because either she's messing with me— there are two possibilities here. Either she's lying or the CDC is lying, our government is lying. One of them is lying. They can't both be telling the truth.
So less than a week later, my carpet cleaner shows up at my front door. He's wearing a mask, and I said, Hey, what's with the mask? You know, haven't you been vaccinated? It's already, you know, it's May, like, you know, how come you haven't been double-vaxxed?
He says, "Well, I could only get one vax because I had a heart attack two minutes after getting the vaccine." And, he says, "I've never been the same, so I can't get a second dose, I'd probably die." And I said, Really? And he said, "Yeah." And then I learned that his wife also had vaccine injury problems.
And I said, eh, this doesn't make any sense to me. How can my carpet cleaner and his wife both be vaccine injured when this is a safe and effective vaccine? That can't happen, unless I'm the most unlucky guy in the world. So I said, this is, I wonder who's telling the truth here? And we should get to the bottom of this. So then I just started getting into it, I started looking at the VAERS data, and I started talking—
DR. JAMES THORP: It's only been a year? It's only been 18 months?
STEVE KIRSCH: No, it's been, this started in May of last year [2021].
DR. JAMES THORP: Wow. Wow.
STEVE KIRSCH: Yeah, so basically in I'd say first of May, I'm singing the praises of the vaccine. By May 25th I'm writing a 280 page article published on Trial Site News talking about how unsafe these vaccines are, how unethical Tony Fauci is, how unethical Cliff Lane is, I name names, I don't pull any punches, and I tell people what I think.
And you know, then of course Wikipedia then turns me into a bad person. I was awarded a National Caring Award, it's in Wikipedia, it's been there from like Day 1 in Wikipedia. They erased that.
DR. JAMES THORP: Oh my God.
STEVE KIRSCH: You know, so this is all about character assassination, this is about going [after] anybody who speaks the truth. And I had to quit my job because I was jeopardizing the company because there were companies that wouldn't do business with us because the CEO is an anti-vaxxer. So I had to leave the company that I founded because of my beliefs.
Now I could have just remained silent. But I just didn't think that was the right thing to do as a citizen of the world. I didn't think that it was the right thing to do to just keep my mouth shut, and keep my head down, and do the right thing for my family.
So my wife was all concerned, that, hey, you're out of a job, nobody will hire you, you're a pariah, we've lost all our friends. And she was going through a lot of angst because of this, because of the stance that I chose to make. But, you know, I've never felt that I did the wrong thing. That, I would rather give up the, you know, I gave up millions in stock options in my decision to leave the company because I thought it was more important to save people's lives and to speak out against the injustice.
And once I quit my job, then I have no more shackles. Right? Doctors have these shackles, where they can't tell the truth because these medical boards will go against them. And so I said, look, there are few people in my position, that can basically say, hey, look, I've earned enough money that I don't need a job, and I can quit my job, and I can go full-time on this because it's the right thing to do. That's how I got—
DR. JAMES THORP: God bless you for doing this. God bless you. Thank you for what you've done. You're a huge platform. You've done an amazing job.
STEVE KIRSCH: Thank you. Yeah, it's been stressful, but you know, it's the right thing to do, and I hope that some day people will realize that.
DR. JAMES THORP: Well, it's not really important what other people think or what Wikipedia thinks of you or me, ultimately.
STEVE KIRSCH: I'm perfectly happy to judge myself. And I have to live with myself and I don't think I could live with myself by having a façade that says, "Oh sure, yeah, yeah, get the vaccine, safe and effective."
It sounds like there are almost no medical doctors or nurses caring for their patients but only for themselves. Surely if every decent one had stood firm allowing ethics to guide them then perhaps the government bodies would have to have backed down. The sheer numbers say so. Even though many may not have known the magnitude of lies early on, given time they most certainly did. No respect ever for those who continued even though gagged for accepting their jobs and money over lives.
Thank you Dr. Alexander for posting this interview. I have heard many interviews with Dr. Thorpe but somehow missed this one. I am beyond mystified how the majority of people cannot see what is happening. When I am presented with documented information such as when I learned that there was mercury in some vaccines ( found out in 1999) I make a decision and I am done with vaccines. Those vaccine makers are liers. They had been keeping that secret. When I learned from Jeffery Smith and Dr. Zach Bush about roundup and glyphosate I was done. No more. I tell people about the thimerosal still in some flu shots and the glyphosate sprayed on everything and the GMO's and VAERS reports and show them documentation...... and nothing changes.
It's a world gone stark raving mad, so called doctors and nurses injecting pure poison into people
Can someone help. For blood transfusion can you ask for non vaccinated blood? Or should we?
Global population reduction and control, the figure of 500 Million remaining after the "Culling" of the Human herd, has been seen.
Steve this doctor with impeccable skill and career is telling you that there is an organized genocide being pushed on men, women, and children by our government and the puppet agencies that monitor doctors. You end the interview by saying no one wants to debate you also. Steve wake up, get alarmed, it is way past debate time. It is tribunal time, conviction time, execution time. You have accumulated enough criminal mayhem, and genocide evidence to hang all of these rotten vampires ten times. Instead of debate call for tribunals, peoples courts, these monsters must be destroyed.
Dr Thorp was on Brannon Howse’s “Brannon Howse Live” last week, and I have never heard him so angry. It was an amazing interview. Can be found at FrankSpeech.com under the TV shows. https://frankspeech.com/video/churches-bribed-13-billion-push-covid-death-shot-pregnant-women
The Red Cross needs to know which vaccine people have had. Presumably they are not taking blood from certain vaccines OMG My 94 yr old mom may need 2 transfusions at the end of the week So it stands to reason the blood is effected
What group, Agency, or organization, is behind all the censoring, and threats to revealing truthful information ? The WEF or the NWO? The Covid " Vaccinations" are killing people, some immediately, others, a delayed event.
And they will all burn in Hell
Pregnant with my 2nd “Covid” baby. First was during heavy jab fever. Refused then nearly got kicked out of the practice. What I would do for Dr. Thorpe as my doctor!!
Bingo, a tragic and stupid state of affairs that now impacts on every medical intervention and our trust in our doctors.
It's an historic interview, I would really encourage readers to watch the full video. Here's another brief excerpt transcribed:
Dr. James Thorp on medical censorship
by Steve Kirsch, January 3, 2022
https://rumble.com/vru732-dr.-james-thorp-on-medical-censorship.html
TRANSCRIBER'S NOTE: At about an hour-and-a-half into this interview, the interviewee, Dr. James Thorp, turns the tables and asks Steve Kirsch how he got started with his vaccine safety research and activism.
TRANSCRIPT [EXCERPT]
1:26:35
STEVE KIRSCH: [a reporter doing a fact-check said] "Steve, you disagree with all of medical science. All the doctors that I talk to, they all disagree with you." I said, Yeah, well, I'm looking at the data. And the data says that they're wrong. And she said, "Well, doesn't it seem to bother you that all these doctors are wrong and you think you're right? I mean, how can you justify your position?" I said, Look, that's what the data says. I mean, there's no doubt about what the data says. I trust what I see in the data. And these people are covering it up. And they're incompetent. And just because—I don't care if every physician in the world says that I'm wrong, it's not what the data says.
And science is supposed to be about, I mean, the definition of science is to have a hypothesis, and you can have a hypothesis that the vaccines are safe and effective, and you can have a hypothesis that the vaccines aren't safe and effective, and hey, look, it's just that all the data that I've seen is consistent with the hypothesis that these vaccines are a disaster. And so, that's why I'm taking the position, is because every single data point is consistent with the hypothesis that these vaccines shouldn't be used.
And she said, "No no, but the doctors say that they interpret the data the other way."
And I said, Well, they're wrong. [laughs]
DR. JAMES THORP: How did you get off on this, how did you get started in this? I mean, you're very knowledgable. Was it RFK?*
STEVE KIRSCH: No. It was a Twitter message. There was this woman who contacted me and she said, "Are the vaccines safe and effective?" And I said, of course they are! Haven't you been listening to the news? Tony Fauci's out there, he's an expert and he says that they're safe and effective. And all the doctors say it's safe and effective. And there're no deaths, and the CDC hasn't reported any deaths. And of course, this is in, I think it's in April [2021] that this conversation happens.
And so I'm totally drinking the Kool-aid. I've been double-vaxxed, my wife double-vaxxed. You know, and I knew about early treatment, but I said, hey, vaccines are safe and effective, so why not? You know? It's just another hedge against disease because hey, you don't want to come down with long haul covid and all this, and so why not? There's no downside to taking the vaccine. So I was a true believer.
And so this woman says, You know, is this true? I say, Of course it's true, the government says so, you've got to trust the government, the FDA is like, you know, they're super anal about these studies that have been—. Of course, I hadn't seen any of the work, right? I'm just doing it based on reputation. And so she says, and I said, Why are you asking me such a dumb question? And [laughs] I was maybe a little bit more polite. But then she says, "Well, three of my relatives died a week after getting the vaccine and they were perfectly healthy."
And I said, No, no, that's impossible.
And then she wrote back, "Yeah, but they're dead."
And so that kind of, that was like a shocking moment, right, because either she's messing with me— there are two possibilities here. Either she's lying or the CDC is lying, our government is lying. One of them is lying. They can't both be telling the truth.
So less than a week later, my carpet cleaner shows up at my front door. He's wearing a mask, and I said, Hey, what's with the mask? You know, haven't you been vaccinated? It's already, you know, it's May, like, you know, how come you haven't been double-vaxxed?
He says, "Well, I could only get one vax because I had a heart attack two minutes after getting the vaccine." And, he says, "I've never been the same, so I can't get a second dose, I'd probably die." And I said, Really? And he said, "Yeah." And then I learned that his wife also had vaccine injury problems.
And I said, eh, this doesn't make any sense to me. How can my carpet cleaner and his wife both be vaccine injured when this is a safe and effective vaccine? That can't happen, unless I'm the most unlucky guy in the world. So I said, this is, I wonder who's telling the truth here? And we should get to the bottom of this. So then I just started getting into it, I started looking at the VAERS data, and I started talking—
DR. JAMES THORP: It's only been a year? It's only been 18 months?
STEVE KIRSCH: No, it's been, this started in May of last year [2021].
DR. JAMES THORP: Wow. Wow.
STEVE KIRSCH: Yeah, so basically in I'd say first of May, I'm singing the praises of the vaccine. By May 25th I'm writing a 280 page article published on Trial Site News talking about how unsafe these vaccines are, how unethical Tony Fauci is, how unethical Cliff Lane is, I name names, I don't pull any punches, and I tell people what I think.
And you know, then of course Wikipedia then turns me into a bad person. I was awarded a National Caring Award, it's in Wikipedia, it's been there from like Day 1 in Wikipedia. They erased that.
DR. JAMES THORP: Oh my God.
STEVE KIRSCH: You know, so this is all about character assassination, this is about going [after] anybody who speaks the truth. And I had to quit my job because I was jeopardizing the company because there were companies that wouldn't do business with us because the CEO is an anti-vaxxer. So I had to leave the company that I founded because of my beliefs.
Now I could have just remained silent. But I just didn't think that was the right thing to do as a citizen of the world. I didn't think that it was the right thing to do to just keep my mouth shut, and keep my head down, and do the right thing for my family.
So my wife was all concerned, that, hey, you're out of a job, nobody will hire you, you're a pariah, we've lost all our friends. And she was going through a lot of angst because of this, because of the stance that I chose to make. But, you know, I've never felt that I did the wrong thing. That, I would rather give up the, you know, I gave up millions in stock options in my decision to leave the company because I thought it was more important to save people's lives and to speak out against the injustice.
And once I quit my job, then I have no more shackles. Right? Doctors have these shackles, where they can't tell the truth because these medical boards will go against them. And so I said, look, there are few people in my position, that can basically say, hey, look, I've earned enough money that I don't need a job, and I can quit my job, and I can go full-time on this because it's the right thing to do. That's how I got—
DR. JAMES THORP: God bless you for doing this. God bless you. Thank you for what you've done. You're a huge platform. You've done an amazing job.
STEVE KIRSCH: Thank you. Yeah, it's been stressful, but you know, it's the right thing to do, and I hope that some day people will realize that.
DR. JAMES THORP: Well, it's not really important what other people think or what Wikipedia thinks of you or me, ultimately.
STEVE KIRSCH: I'm perfectly happy to judge myself. And I have to live with myself and I don't think I could live with myself by having a façade that says, "Oh sure, yeah, yeah, get the vaccine, safe and effective."
1:35:42
[END OF EXCERPT]
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TRANSCRIBER'S NOTES:
Steve Kirsch's blog is https://stevekirsch.substack.com. He is the founder of the Vaccine Safety Foundation https://www.vacsafety.org/
Another excerpt from this same interview, James Thorp on Medical Censorship is at this link.
https://transcriberb.dreamwidth.org/7283.html
*Robert Kennedy, Jr., attorney and founder of Children's Health Defense Fund.
It sounds like there are almost no medical doctors or nurses caring for their patients but only for themselves. Surely if every decent one had stood firm allowing ethics to guide them then perhaps the government bodies would have to have backed down. The sheer numbers say so. Even though many may not have known the magnitude of lies early on, given time they most certainly did. No respect ever for those who continued even though gagged for accepting their jobs and money over lives.
So,What about the hipocrat oath.first do no harm.
Thank you Dr. Alexander for posting this interview. I have heard many interviews with Dr. Thorpe but somehow missed this one. I am beyond mystified how the majority of people cannot see what is happening. When I am presented with documented information such as when I learned that there was mercury in some vaccines ( found out in 1999) I make a decision and I am done with vaccines. Those vaccine makers are liers. They had been keeping that secret. When I learned from Jeffery Smith and Dr. Zach Bush about roundup and glyphosate I was done. No more. I tell people about the thimerosal still in some flu shots and the glyphosate sprayed on everything and the GMO's and VAERS reports and show them documentation...... and nothing changes.
I hope there's a Nuremberg II trial for crimes against Humanity, those two words, suckered in the sheep; "Safe & Effective"....
Thank you. Is there any way her doctor could make a referral to a different hospital?