High-flow nasal cannulas (HFNCs) was one option we always had INSTEAD of intubation & Ventilation which severely damaged the lungs; April 2020; UChicago Medicine doctors see 'truly remarkable' success
High-flow nasal cannulas (HFNCs) was one option we always had INSTEAD of intubation & Ventilation which severely damaged the lungs; April 2020; UChicago Medicine doctors see 'truly remarkable' success
using ventilator alternatives HFNCs to treat COVID-19; NOT ventilator; the HFNCs are often combined with prone positioning, a technique where patients lay on their stomachs to aid breathing.
Prone positioning was also used to abusive levels during COVID. A man with COVID escaped from a major hospital that would not let him move at all from prone for 3 weeks. They finally told his family he has less than 48 hours to live; go to hospice. Family then snuck in some hydroxychloroquine (from a sane country where it's OTC), and he finally opened his eyes. He walked out of hospice - after relatives had arrived to say goodbye, and then they sought my help for further recovery. He was lucky to survive this horrible hospital's torture.
The following article explains "proning" and the multiple positions required to attain maximum oxygenation. Were they leaving this man in just one position?
Again, the man was forced to lie prone without any change in position for 3 straight weeks, which is not compatible with the recommendations in the article you cited. What is even worse, is that hospitalized and immobilized patients are at increased risk for DVT, for which extended prone positioning is contraindicated. Then adding another contraindication is the cardiotoxic drug Remdesivir. The hospital I mentioned was way out of best practices by any reasonable standard.
My friend with delta couldn’t even get ANY oxygen. That’s how depraved the hospitals were/are. Oxygen down to 89 and sent home. One of the “nurses” told him he didn’t deserve treatment at all. He told her to go to hell. Yikes he’s lucky he survived after spouting off. He got monoclonal treatment and survived (I also sent him ivct).
The only patient I ever saw proned (pre-Covid) in CCU w/ ARDS Brady’d down and died. Resident on call would not wake up to attend to the patient’s deteriorating status!! Some things never change…
HFNCs are not as good as ventilators for culling the keen sheep who lined up to get the jabs. Bill Gates made it very plain years ago that in his opinion the planet is struggling to cope with excess carbon dioxide emissions and that radical population reduction is necessary to save the planet from global warming. HFNCs are little help with the culling required to eliminate the excess carbon footprints and save the planet.
Yes, since this virus has an ARDS effect on lungs the tidal volumes have to be much smaller and preferably pressure limiting modes of delivery set on vents like BiLevel mode. So I believe there was also error in ventilator settings as well. It is also labor intensive to manage these issues well.
Hyperbaric chambers are an excellent option too, and actually cost 50% less than mechanical ventilators, the price of which has been heavily increased of course during the COVID crisis, with a great many ventilators merely lying mothballed in storage facilities still unused in the UK, yet the NHS in the UK say they 'don't have the money' to buy hyperbaric chambers. The NHS closed down hyperbaric chamber facilities that they already had at the start of the COVID crisis, of course, and refused the offer of a private charity who offered a large scale fully-equipped chamber for free to the NHS to try it out on COVID patients. Hyperbaric chambers increase the rate of absorption of oxygen into the body by up to ten times via just the skin, and do not require a patient to be put into an induced coma, so they can get up and move around periodically as necessary to maintain bone and muscle mass, to use the bathroom, and maintain normal eating and drinking, so that people are not left having to learn to sit up, to stand up, and to walk again after losing most of their muscle mass through extended periods lying on a ventilator in induced coma, thus removing the need for extended rehabilitation programs as well as vastly reducing treatment timers especially if they were to be used with ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine zinc ionophores.
I wish I’d been treated with hyperbaric O2 instead of a ventilator for 5 weeks. I had to relearn and regain strength to sit, stand up, walk, etc., and still require supplemental oxygen 8 months out of the hospital...
They left a whole lot of us badly messed up, and some of them seemed to enjoy doing it, I am dizzy 24/7 now through lung damage, though am not using any supplemental oxygen, with blood oxygen levels fluctuating mostly between lower 90's to lower mid 90's all the time even when just sitting still, but I am glad I managed to learn to use stairs again and walk around outside, something I was initially certain I would never ever be able to do again as I lost 20 kg, almost all of that muscle tissue, whilst in hospital, it felt like having polio affecting my whole body leaving me wasted away looking like a Biafra victim, it felt just like unresponsive, immovable lead pendulums hanging inside my chest and from my shoulders and my hips with almost zero power, some people remain laid out in bed the rest of their lives and never learn to sit up or stand again after being ventilated for weeks the ICU nurses told me, so the window of opportunity to learn to actually sit all the way up and get past the POTS syndrome where the arteries are too weak to pump oxygenated blood to the brain in an upright position without one getting extremely dizzy and ill and then learn to stand, then to walk, is actually brief for ventilator patients with bad lung damage and severe muscle wastage and is quite a hurdle, and if people cannot make themselves progress to that stage and beyond that as soon as they possibly can, their muscle tissue wastes away more and more at an enormous rate each week to such a stage they cannot even start physio so that they end up remaining permanently bed-bound and their prognosis is very dark and nightmarish from that point on, an absolutely horrific situation when you get even just a taste of it.
very interesting --- and part of the SHARAN drug-free Covid protocol. Dr. Nandita Shah would be my doctor if she was closer by... https://youtu.be/zfJMz_LnarY
There are many subsequent brachial plexus and ulnar nerve injuries from prolonged and improper prone positions as well as pressure sores. It didn’t end for many after surviving covid
Hmph, that’s interesting because I got Covid and my husband did not (and we continued to share a bed). He uses a cpap; I don’t. I wonder if that might have prevented him from getting it. We are both purebloods.
Prone positioning was also used to abusive levels during COVID. A man with COVID escaped from a major hospital that would not let him move at all from prone for 3 weeks. They finally told his family he has less than 48 hours to live; go to hospice. Family then snuck in some hydroxychloroquine (from a sane country where it's OTC), and he finally opened his eyes. He walked out of hospice - after relatives had arrived to say goodbye, and then they sought my help for further recovery. He was lucky to survive this horrible hospital's torture.
The following article explains "proning" and the multiple positions required to attain maximum oxygenation. Were they leaving this man in just one position?
https://www.manipalhospitals.com/blog/self-proning-a-guilde-to-increase-oxygen-level-at-homes
Again, the man was forced to lie prone without any change in position for 3 straight weeks, which is not compatible with the recommendations in the article you cited. What is even worse, is that hospitalized and immobilized patients are at increased risk for DVT, for which extended prone positioning is contraindicated. Then adding another contraindication is the cardiotoxic drug Remdesivir. The hospital I mentioned was way out of best practices by any reasonable standard.
The antithesis of Do No Harm in so many ways...
My friend with delta couldn’t even get ANY oxygen. That’s how depraved the hospitals were/are. Oxygen down to 89 and sent home. One of the “nurses” told him he didn’t deserve treatment at all. He told her to go to hell. Yikes he’s lucky he survived after spouting off. He got monoclonal treatment and survived (I also sent him ivct).
The only patient I ever saw proned (pre-Covid) in CCU w/ ARDS Brady’d down and died. Resident on call would not wake up to attend to the patient’s deteriorating status!! Some things never change…
HFNCs are not as good as ventilators for culling the keen sheep who lined up to get the jabs. Bill Gates made it very plain years ago that in his opinion the planet is struggling to cope with excess carbon dioxide emissions and that radical population reduction is necessary to save the planet from global warming. HFNCs are little help with the culling required to eliminate the excess carbon footprints and save the planet.
That's one of the protocols used on my mother in the ER during treatment for a-fib gone bananas.
Yes, since this virus has an ARDS effect on lungs the tidal volumes have to be much smaller and preferably pressure limiting modes of delivery set on vents like BiLevel mode. So I believe there was also error in ventilator settings as well. It is also labor intensive to manage these issues well.
Hyperbaric chambers are an excellent option too, and actually cost 50% less than mechanical ventilators, the price of which has been heavily increased of course during the COVID crisis, with a great many ventilators merely lying mothballed in storage facilities still unused in the UK, yet the NHS in the UK say they 'don't have the money' to buy hyperbaric chambers. The NHS closed down hyperbaric chamber facilities that they already had at the start of the COVID crisis, of course, and refused the offer of a private charity who offered a large scale fully-equipped chamber for free to the NHS to try it out on COVID patients. Hyperbaric chambers increase the rate of absorption of oxygen into the body by up to ten times via just the skin, and do not require a patient to be put into an induced coma, so they can get up and move around periodically as necessary to maintain bone and muscle mass, to use the bathroom, and maintain normal eating and drinking, so that people are not left having to learn to sit up, to stand up, and to walk again after losing most of their muscle mass through extended periods lying on a ventilator in induced coma, thus removing the need for extended rehabilitation programs as well as vastly reducing treatment timers especially if they were to be used with ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine zinc ionophores.
I wish I’d been treated with hyperbaric O2 instead of a ventilator for 5 weeks. I had to relearn and regain strength to sit, stand up, walk, etc., and still require supplemental oxygen 8 months out of the hospital...
They left a whole lot of us badly messed up, and some of them seemed to enjoy doing it, I am dizzy 24/7 now through lung damage, though am not using any supplemental oxygen, with blood oxygen levels fluctuating mostly between lower 90's to lower mid 90's all the time even when just sitting still, but I am glad I managed to learn to use stairs again and walk around outside, something I was initially certain I would never ever be able to do again as I lost 20 kg, almost all of that muscle tissue, whilst in hospital, it felt like having polio affecting my whole body leaving me wasted away looking like a Biafra victim, it felt just like unresponsive, immovable lead pendulums hanging inside my chest and from my shoulders and my hips with almost zero power, some people remain laid out in bed the rest of their lives and never learn to sit up or stand again after being ventilated for weeks the ICU nurses told me, so the window of opportunity to learn to actually sit all the way up and get past the POTS syndrome where the arteries are too weak to pump oxygenated blood to the brain in an upright position without one getting extremely dizzy and ill and then learn to stand, then to walk, is actually brief for ventilator patients with bad lung damage and severe muscle wastage and is quite a hurdle, and if people cannot make themselves progress to that stage and beyond that as soon as they possibly can, their muscle tissue wastes away more and more at an enormous rate each week to such a stage they cannot even start physio so that they end up remaining permanently bed-bound and their prognosis is very dark and nightmarish from that point on, an absolutely horrific situation when you get even just a taste of it.
very interesting --- and part of the SHARAN drug-free Covid protocol. Dr. Nandita Shah would be my doctor if she was closer by... https://youtu.be/zfJMz_LnarY
There are many subsequent brachial plexus and ulnar nerve injuries from prolonged and improper prone positions as well as pressure sores. It didn’t end for many after surviving covid
Sounds like HFNCs are like a CPAP machine but with more oxygen levels. Using air pressure and moisture. Is this correct?
Hmph, that’s interesting because I got Covid and my husband did not (and we continued to share a bed). He uses a cpap; I don’t. I wonder if that might have prevented him from getting it. We are both purebloods.