If this even happens, will the borders and decisions be respected? Will Israel be attacked post agreements? This is a legitimate question. They have been prior but I think should be looked at HARD!
It’s Hamas who want the Jewish people eliminated. Palestinians have no idea that the killing of Their children is being orchestrated by Hamas. Just like when Hamas reported that Israel blew up the Hospital but it was actually a bomb dropped into the center of the parking lot and Hamas reported 500 people died in the hospital.
Reward the (fake) "Palestinians" land and status as a nation as a result of their savage terrorism against Israel?
I'd say HELL NO.
Why haven't they released the 240 hostages still in their custody? Are they still alive? Hamas should be punished relentlessly until the hostages are released. Gaza's very existence depends upon releasing ALL hostages without delay or excuse. IMO
A two state solution was attempted in 1948 when the state of Israel was established for the third time... The day after it was done all the Arab nations in the region went to war trying to exterminate the Jews. It hasn't stopped since.
The Palestinians didn't relocate to Jordan, did they?
They stayed In the Israel area and have continued agitate to take back all of the land.
Setting out Jordan as the Arab portion didn't solve the problem. The whole area was a possession of the Ottoman Empire, which was defeated by the British. There were no nation states existing. The British divided it up and created the nations that exist now, intending Jordan to be Arab and Israel for the Jews. It didn't work.
IIRC, during the Clinton era Israel and Palestine were trying to come to a 2 state solution and Arafat would not allow it. He said no over and over to all offers. Still got a Nobel Peace Prize too. Some say that he knew that the Palestinian Brotherhood would have rejected it and him and possibly have murdered him so he could not sign any 2 state solution peace deal. Both sides don't want a 2 state solution. They both want to get rid of the other side. Nothing has changed since then. Except more digging in of the heels.
Oh sure thats why the isrealies let the arabs in to work and use the infastucture they created,it's not mutual the palestinians are terrorists and want to take over Isreal and they would ruin everything the Jews created in short order because they don't have the intellegence to suctain anything just like the democrats their too dumb to keep anything running decently.
Fact: historic Judah that was renamed Palestine by the Roman’s in 70 A.D. is 53% in Arab hands, while 80% of Mandated Palestine post- WW1 is in Arab hands. There are already 23 Arab states and one Jewish state, where the Jewish people have a 3900 year connection to the land that birthed Christianity. We all know what’s going on here
WE WERE HERE 20 YEARS AGO WHEN THAT FUCKING FRAUD ARRAFAT SAW HIS DREAMS OF MONEY , POWER , AND CONTROL VANISH, IF THE PALESTINIANS WERE ALLOWED TO HAVE THEIR OWN STATE-IT WAS OFFERED ON A PLATE OF PEACE, THE ONLY PIECE THE ANIMALS WANTED WAS THE FLESH OF ISRAEL WHICH THEY SO BRAZENLY TOOK ON OCT 7TH
I feel sorry for you and those like you,you have no understanding of reality you've been decieved.The Bible is devinely inspired and written under the inspiration of The Holy Ghost.I hope that you come to know Christ before you die because at that point you'll be out of time and theres only two places you can go heaven or hell and it's eternal.
The issue is whether Israel will ever respect the borders of a Palestinian State. So far they have not done that with their neighbors and they enacted their racist settler colonial State with the upfront goal and intent to remove the Palestinians. Paul needs to learn history and get help understanding his own prejudices.
I wrote on another blog this morning that a 2 State solution can only work if the 1967 borders are redone with leadership from the Palestinians who get to chose their own representatives and create their own process for decision-making. The OSLO effort was a fake exercise to create false hope and keep the Palestinians in check. This is not acceptable solution creating. Israel has stated in all their 75 yrs that they have no intention of allowing a separate Palestinian State or allowing equal citizenship for dark skinned people. If people cannot hear these words said over and over again they are living like an ostrich with head in sand. Denial is not a solution for anything.
Your speaking from a losing stand point read your Bible,which is the undisputed word of God.Isreal belongs to the Jews given to them by God,you can't split it up with terrorists who have no moral compass.The pallistinians are the ones who will be annialated.God says you'll look around and your enemies will be no more they will not be found.so say good by to the enemies of God and Isreal.
I just love when people use a book written by many people over 100's of years trying to justify their power over others. The Bible is not a factual book of anything spiritual so please spare us this fantasy that you are using to justify mass murder by a murderous bunch of white supremacists who learned nothing from being treated the same way only a few years ago
FYI, most importantly, Zionism is a contrived ideology created in the late 19c way before the holocaust. it was always racist and genocidal in its intent and goals. Hard to believe that people pick up a book that was written and rewritten by whomever was in power as justification for abuse of power. The one thing the Bible has is discussions on morality and ethics which is probably its most important contribution to human thinking. But people like you don't go there but promote an illegal land grab as some alleged gift of the gods to a people who spent much of their history in hostile confrontations with other tribes. Not a very peaceful nor moral history.
You choose to be an unbeliever and I feel sorry for your soul. You will learn eventually at the point of judgement before your creator and at that point it will be too late. Permanently separated from everything Love to be tormented for eternity begging to be allowed just a single drop of water but choices are made and consequences are given. Christ said, “ I Am the Way the Truth and the Life and nobody comes to the Father but through Me” He also said, If you deny Me before men I will deny you before My Father”. Christ made the perfect sacrifice so that all men of His Father’s creation would have an opportunity for Salvation and it sounds like you’ve made your decision but at the same time you can change your opinion and belief. God gave us free will to Accept His Son our Savior and His work on the Cross.
How do the various Books of the Holy Bible written hundreds and sometimes thousands of years apart not contradict each other and many authors never knew of each others writings. Coincidence? I say the odds are trillions to 1 that they never even knowing each other could ever pull it off successfully.
Sorry but you have bought the propaganda quite well. I know the history quite well that is taught which is very emotional and fear mongering. But it is always about money and power. Get over your emotional reactions which are controlled by the believe system you were well taught and look at the reality of what is being done and by whom and who is profitting. This case has always been about Zionist ideology that promotes land theft and ethnic cleansing for power and control and land was always a big part of it. You might also listen to a lot of the pro-Palestinian Jewish Israels who are much more clear eyed than you. Of interest to me are the ultra religious Jews who oppose the Occupation as well as the rabbinic group that sees that Israel is an illegal and immoral State calling for its dissolution. Of great interest was a major demonstartion by chasidic Jews in NY against the Occupation and Israel's assault on the Palestinians.
One thing I have learned in life is that anytime a position is rabidly promoted, especially one that profits one group or position over all others a) it is to be deeply questioned and b) is propaganda to be rejected. And this includes fundamentalist ideologies like Zionism which is not a religion but a political agenda.
All these replies based on emotional belief systems imposed on you since you were young are not about facts but fantasy. So please spare me your proselytizing and ignorance of facts. I will only add that religion has nothing to do with spirituality, that latter being something that you all seem to totally lack. But even if you want to work on your belief system then I can simply add that it is a system that is based on love and justice which you cannot seem to factor into your life. Native American spirituality recognizes that land is not to be owned by greedy individuals. It is a spirituality that has mirrors in many others like Buddhism. In this case Israel was never anything but a violence genocidal ideology that traces back to the late 19c. White supremacist European ideology simply translated into a power base seeking more land and power with no respect for other human beings.
Dr. Alexander, a "HARD" look has already been done, by several individuals. For the definitive answers, read, "The Palestinian Delusion, The Catastrophic History of the Middle East Peace Process" By Robert Spencer
It's not about land. Numerous attempts to satisfy a 2-state solution. This is not the point. "Palestinians" want the Jewish ppl GONE.
It’s Hamas who want the Jewish people eliminated. Palestinians have no idea that the killing of Their children is being orchestrated by Hamas. Just like when Hamas reported that Israel blew up the Hospital but it was actually a bomb dropped into the center of the parking lot and Hamas reported 500 people died in the hospital.
Hamas doesn’t care how many people they claim to be protecting die at their hands as long as they get the world to Hate the Jews.
And vice versa. They want each other gone. They want all of us to take a side, & dehumanize the other side so they can justify genocide.
Denise Israel has been trying to create peace since day one but Muslims absolutely don’t want peace.
7 Things pro-Palestinians Forgot to Tell You (...this war is not about land...)
https://youtu.be/YTwQh72XUZo?feature=shared
Reward the (fake) "Palestinians" land and status as a nation as a result of their savage terrorism against Israel?
I'd say HELL NO.
Why haven't they released the 240 hostages still in their custody? Are they still alive? Hamas should be punished relentlessly until the hostages are released. Gaza's very existence depends upon releasing ALL hostages without delay or excuse. IMO
A two state solution was attempted in 1948 when the state of Israel was established for the third time... The day after it was done all the Arab nations in the region went to war trying to exterminate the Jews. It hasn't stopped since.
So to answer your question in a word, No!
Other nations pushing Israel to implement a Two-State Solution are like your neighbors pushing you to house the Manson family in your spare room.
Love this analogy.
Amen!
Jordan was established as the Arab state, so in that way it was 2 state from the beginning. It didn't work out.
Jordan is still at peace with Israel so what are you talking about.
I never said that Jordan was at war.
The Palestinians didn't relocate to Jordan, did they?
They stayed In the Israel area and have continued agitate to take back all of the land.
Setting out Jordan as the Arab portion didn't solve the problem. The whole area was a possession of the Ottoman Empire, which was defeated by the British. There were no nation states existing. The British divided it up and created the nations that exist now, intending Jordan to be Arab and Israel for the Jews. It didn't work.
7 Things pro-Palestinians Forgot to Tell You (...this war is not about land...)
https://youtu.be/YTwQh72XUZo?feature=shared
Uh, no.
https://vinnews.com/2023/11/08/hamas-tells-the-nyt-we-want-permanent-war-with-israel/
And Hamas coming for rest of world too
7 Things pro-Palestinians Forgot to Tell You (...this war is not about land...)
https://youtu.be/YTwQh72XUZo?feature=shared
IIRC, during the Clinton era Israel and Palestine were trying to come to a 2 state solution and Arafat would not allow it. He said no over and over to all offers. Still got a Nobel Peace Prize too. Some say that he knew that the Palestinian Brotherhood would have rejected it and him and possibly have murdered him so he could not sign any 2 state solution peace deal. Both sides don't want a 2 state solution. They both want to get rid of the other side. Nothing has changed since then. Except more digging in of the heels.
THE ‘TWO-STATE SOLUTION’ IS TERRORISM
http://www.danielgreenfield.org/2023/11/the-two-state-solution-is-terrorism.html?utm_source=MadMimi&utm_medium=email&utm_content=Daniel+Greenfield+Article%3A+The+‘Two-State+Solution’+is+Terrorism&utm_campaign=20231102_m177005024_Daniel+Greenfield+Article%3A+%28post_title%29&utm_term=The+_E2_80_98Two-State+Solution_E2_80_99+is+Terrorism
Oh sure thats why the isrealies let the arabs in to work and use the infastucture they created,it's not mutual the palestinians are terrorists and want to take over Isreal and they would ruin everything the Jews created in short order because they don't have the intellegence to suctain anything just like the democrats their too dumb to keep anything running decently.
Fact: historic Judah that was renamed Palestine by the Roman’s in 70 A.D. is 53% in Arab hands, while 80% of Mandated Palestine post- WW1 is in Arab hands. There are already 23 Arab states and one Jewish state, where the Jewish people have a 3900 year connection to the land that birthed Christianity. We all know what’s going on here
Romans actually called Palestine Palestina.
Syria-Palestina
https://youtu.be/YTwQh72XUZo
https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2023/11/08/hamas-leaders-to-ny-times-no-interest-in-helping-palestinians-gaza-want-permanent-war-against-israel/
It is just a fantasy or a false point of argument at this point.
WE WERE HERE 20 YEARS AGO WHEN THAT FUCKING FRAUD ARRAFAT SAW HIS DREAMS OF MONEY , POWER , AND CONTROL VANISH, IF THE PALESTINIANS WERE ALLOWED TO HAVE THEIR OWN STATE-IT WAS OFFERED ON A PLATE OF PEACE, THE ONLY PIECE THE ANIMALS WANTED WAS THE FLESH OF ISRAEL WHICH THEY SO BRAZENLY TOOK ON OCT 7TH
Too late for a long time.
Israel will need Defeat to consider. Ask ‘em?!
I feel sorry for you and those like you,you have no understanding of reality you've been decieved.The Bible is devinely inspired and written under the inspiration of The Holy Ghost.I hope that you come to know Christ before you die because at that point you'll be out of time and theres only two places you can go heaven or hell and it's eternal.
Didn't Sheron concede to give away Isreal land and then had a stroke and died.God will not let anyone split up His land.Don't touch this.MC Hammer.
The issue is whether Israel will ever respect the borders of a Palestinian State. So far they have not done that with their neighbors and they enacted their racist settler colonial State with the upfront goal and intent to remove the Palestinians. Paul needs to learn history and get help understanding his own prejudices.
I wrote on another blog this morning that a 2 State solution can only work if the 1967 borders are redone with leadership from the Palestinians who get to chose their own representatives and create their own process for decision-making. The OSLO effort was a fake exercise to create false hope and keep the Palestinians in check. This is not acceptable solution creating. Israel has stated in all their 75 yrs that they have no intention of allowing a separate Palestinian State or allowing equal citizenship for dark skinned people. If people cannot hear these words said over and over again they are living like an ostrich with head in sand. Denial is not a solution for anything.
Your speaking from a losing stand point read your Bible,which is the undisputed word of God.Isreal belongs to the Jews given to them by God,you can't split it up with terrorists who have no moral compass.The pallistinians are the ones who will be annialated.God says you'll look around and your enemies will be no more they will not be found.so say good by to the enemies of God and Isreal.
I just love when people use a book written by many people over 100's of years trying to justify their power over others. The Bible is not a factual book of anything spiritual so please spare us this fantasy that you are using to justify mass murder by a murderous bunch of white supremacists who learned nothing from being treated the same way only a few years ago
FYI, most importantly, Zionism is a contrived ideology created in the late 19c way before the holocaust. it was always racist and genocidal in its intent and goals. Hard to believe that people pick up a book that was written and rewritten by whomever was in power as justification for abuse of power. The one thing the Bible has is discussions on morality and ethics which is probably its most important contribution to human thinking. But people like you don't go there but promote an illegal land grab as some alleged gift of the gods to a people who spent much of their history in hostile confrontations with other tribes. Not a very peaceful nor moral history.
You choose to be an unbeliever and I feel sorry for your soul. You will learn eventually at the point of judgement before your creator and at that point it will be too late. Permanently separated from everything Love to be tormented for eternity begging to be allowed just a single drop of water but choices are made and consequences are given. Christ said, “ I Am the Way the Truth and the Life and nobody comes to the Father but through Me” He also said, If you deny Me before men I will deny you before My Father”. Christ made the perfect sacrifice so that all men of His Father’s creation would have an opportunity for Salvation and it sounds like you’ve made your decision but at the same time you can change your opinion and belief. God gave us free will to Accept His Son our Savior and His work on the Cross.
How do the various Books of the Holy Bible written hundreds and sometimes thousands of years apart not contradict each other and many authors never knew of each others writings. Coincidence? I say the odds are trillions to 1 that they never even knowing each other could ever pull it off successfully.
Wow u are lost on much it seems..
start here and learn history..
7 Things pro-Palestinians Forgot to Tell You (...this war is not about land...)
https://youtu.be/YTwQh72XUZo?feature=shared
Sorry but you have bought the propaganda quite well. I know the history quite well that is taught which is very emotional and fear mongering. But it is always about money and power. Get over your emotional reactions which are controlled by the believe system you were well taught and look at the reality of what is being done and by whom and who is profitting. This case has always been about Zionist ideology that promotes land theft and ethnic cleansing for power and control and land was always a big part of it. You might also listen to a lot of the pro-Palestinian Jewish Israels who are much more clear eyed than you. Of interest to me are the ultra religious Jews who oppose the Occupation as well as the rabbinic group that sees that Israel is an illegal and immoral State calling for its dissolution. Of great interest was a major demonstartion by chasidic Jews in NY against the Occupation and Israel's assault on the Palestinians.
One thing I have learned in life is that anytime a position is rabidly promoted, especially one that profits one group or position over all others a) it is to be deeply questioned and b) is propaganda to be rejected. And this includes fundamentalist ideologies like Zionism which is not a religion but a political agenda.
You should read the Bible as prophecy is happening as we speak.. not one news agenda needs to be seen.. it'll all go
Down despite what u believe lady and despite what some Jews even think( which those u mention are in the minority)
Overall the Hasidic jews know who their enemy is..
And who cares bout Zionism ..
Read yr bible and quit being so gullible from
YouTube or news u watch
You are misinformed and proud of it
Nothing more to say until u
Read bible( ya know the most sold book of books world
Over throughout generations..that folks would love to see it gone but it just keeps standing test of time eh?
and read the Koran too
See what's coming! For those who really have eyes to see!
Gods Truth wins in the end!
Best u too be on the right side of history
All these replies based on emotional belief systems imposed on you since you were young are not about facts but fantasy. So please spare me your proselytizing and ignorance of facts. I will only add that religion has nothing to do with spirituality, that latter being something that you all seem to totally lack. But even if you want to work on your belief system then I can simply add that it is a system that is based on love and justice which you cannot seem to factor into your life. Native American spirituality recognizes that land is not to be owned by greedy individuals. It is a spirituality that has mirrors in many others like Buddhism. In this case Israel was never anything but a violence genocidal ideology that traces back to the late 19c. White supremacist European ideology simply translated into a power base seeking more land and power with no respect for other human beings.
Dr. Alexander, a "HARD" look has already been done, by several individuals. For the definitive answers, read, "The Palestinian Delusion, The Catastrophic History of the Middle East Peace Process" By Robert Spencer