Not sure about this. Earlier today I saw a longer videos than the several I had seen before. All the lights on the shop go out and shortly after its course changes. The person who posted the video states that this was a loss of power. The lights come on again briefly and black smoke is seen to begin exhausting from the stack. There is a …
Not sure about this. Earlier today I saw a longer videos than the several I had seen before. All the lights on the shop go out and shortly after its course changes. The person who posted the video states that this was a loss of power. The lights come on again briefly and black smoke is seen to begin exhausting from the stack. There is a second loss of power and perhaps a third, I forget now. By the time the power is restored the last time before the collision, the bow had swung around, presumably due to the current and the ship was on course to hit the bridge.
When I viewed earlier videos, I noticed the black smoke and thought there may have been an engine room casualty. It also looked a loss of steering casualty might have cause the accident. Seeing this longer video, it looks like a propulsion plant casualty was the overall cause.
I think we'll find out the cause behind this incident was complete and utter planning, not just some random event. I bet Turdeau laughed himself to sleep when he heard about this crash.
If so, then the crew trained rehearsed everything so as to appear to be a vessel suffering a propulsion casualty. Not impossible, but is it plausible? At present, I am doubtful it was anything than an accident.
For background, I grew up not far from the Mississippi River. Not a common occurrence but not a rare one either were collisions between river barges or ships bridges.
Until ruled out, I am believing it was an accident. An avoidable one, most likely as most accidents are, but that alone does not indicate malice.
Upon inspection, I would not be surprised to learn that this company may have had lapses in safety and or maintenance or that this particular ship, Captain, crew or crew member has some kind of baggage that will get a lot of focus in the days and weeks ahead. However, this baggage and similar are carried by us all and it is until there is an accident that it takes on greater significance.
I appreciate your reasoned thoughts on this. I respect Lara Logan and will not discount her view either. It could have been simply an accident, but how did it happen to take out the entire bridge? I grew up quite near the Mississippi River as well, in Alton Illinois.
I doubt Ms. Logan has much maritime experience. I served in the navy for 6 years, in the engine room. And yes, I have experienced complete loss of power.
As far as taking out the whole bridge, it depends on the design of the bridge. If you hit a load bearing member, catastrophic failure results. If you look at photos taken the morning after the accident, you’ll see that it was not the whole bridge that collapsed, just the portion suspended by the position that was hit.
Now, I am a firm believer that DEI, SDGs and all these other, interlocking lefty loony policies are forced upon us to eventuate such calamities. But that does not mean they targeted or can target any specific point. They just greatly increase the likelihood that such will happen, which is more than enough if you are patient and the left is patient.
I just read Jeff Childer's take on this in his Substack this morning. He points out that no MSM reports identify the pilot or the crew, either by name or nationality. And that the series of circumstances happened as they had to happen for the ship to impact that crucial pylon.
I am always skeptical of anything this current admin says, especially when they were so quick to rule out a deliberate incident. But I really appreciate any other rational assessment such as yours.
I agree, we should take any and all statements from this admin and from the MSM as suspect. That is why I am going with the videos I have seen and matching it with my experience. I honestly have no idea what either the WH or MSM have said about it other than it happened, well I did just catch a headline stating that this vessel was involved in another collision and that the company is DEI captured. But my initial assessment has from been from looking at video. From what I see, it looks like a propulsion plant failure when going against the current. This does not mean that there were not shenanigans going on that would make a power plant failure more likely. If DEI was involved, then this is certainly the case.
Personally, I think this is both the more likely and more damning; they force DEI upon companies making them rate watch standers not upon qualifications and proven knowledge and ability only but upon gender and skin color and then sit back and await the results. This is harder to pin upon those behind this.
A point I have brought up on the recent aviation incidents that I think applies here is that due to the lockdowns and border closures, everyone in the transportation industry is “rusty”. The Pilots/Captains, crews, maintenance personnel, administrators, inspectors, the crafts themselves and machinery aboard them are all “rusty” due to prolonged period ashore for maritime folk and aground for aviators due to the panic. This too was planned, IMHO.
Therefore, my comments on this not being a targeted attack but an accident must be taken in the context that I believe multiply things were done to ensure that accidents such as this become more common.
Hmmm. Looks like DEI may be involved. If so, then the reality is between our two previously stated positions. An accident but one that was caused through planning to lead to an accident eventually, somewhere but not any specific target.
Ships are commanded by local port pilots, when entering or leaving, as was the case here. Association of Maryland Pilots. In NY/NJ it's the Sandy Hook Pilots Association. These guys have the expertise, are on call 24/7 and make a lot of money. Read about the job, this isn't DEI territory.
Ships are not commanded by pilots, they are piloted by pilots. The Captain remains in command is responsible for all that happens aboard his command even when a Pilot is aboard. If a pilot screws up and runs a ship aground or causes a collision, the Captain is still responsible.
Regardless of the abilities of the Captain and pilot, if the engineers Fauci up and cause the ship to lose power, then if Fauci all the pilot can do and not much else the Captain can do. Drop anchor in the hope, often vain, to stop or slow the vessel is about all that can be done when propulsion is lost in a channel. DEI could easily have played a part in the engineering and deck divisions as well as with the Capt.. While it is possible the Pilots association is DEI captured, I have not read anything yet to suggest that is the case. But if the engineering division is DEI captured and if it turns out to be as it looks, that an engineering casualty caused this, then DEI is a factor, perhaps the main factor, regardless of the pilot’s quals.
My point was that the pilot crew was local - LOCAL. At the moment of the collision the local pilot was handling the vessel. Yes, or no? Save your lame attempt at shade.
I didn't say the CREW (20+ people). I SAID that local pilots take ships in and out of big treacherous harbors. How obtuse are you? Or are you just that desperate for attention. Please get lost, I won't be replying further.
Yes you did. You just edited it to say “pilot crew” instead of “crew”. I do not know what game you are playing here, but as I stated from the beginning, pilots have no business in the propulsion plant.
The pilot may have been local but there was an engineering casualty aboard that vessel. Pilots have Fauci all to do with the manning of ship’s power plants.
Not sure about this. Earlier today I saw a longer videos than the several I had seen before. All the lights on the shop go out and shortly after its course changes. The person who posted the video states that this was a loss of power. The lights come on again briefly and black smoke is seen to begin exhausting from the stack. There is a second loss of power and perhaps a third, I forget now. By the time the power is restored the last time before the collision, the bow had swung around, presumably due to the current and the ship was on course to hit the bridge.
When I viewed earlier videos, I noticed the black smoke and thought there may have been an engine room casualty. It also looked a loss of steering casualty might have cause the accident. Seeing this longer video, it looks like a propulsion plant casualty was the overall cause.
I think we'll find out the cause behind this incident was complete and utter planning, not just some random event. I bet Turdeau laughed himself to sleep when he heard about this crash.
If so, then the crew trained rehearsed everything so as to appear to be a vessel suffering a propulsion casualty. Not impossible, but is it plausible? At present, I am doubtful it was anything than an accident.
For background, I grew up not far from the Mississippi River. Not a common occurrence but not a rare one either were collisions between river barges or ships bridges.
Until ruled out, I am believing it was an accident. An avoidable one, most likely as most accidents are, but that alone does not indicate malice.
Upon inspection, I would not be surprised to learn that this company may have had lapses in safety and or maintenance or that this particular ship, Captain, crew or crew member has some kind of baggage that will get a lot of focus in the days and weeks ahead. However, this baggage and similar are carried by us all and it is until there is an accident that it takes on greater significance.
I appreciate your reasoned thoughts on this. I respect Lara Logan and will not discount her view either. It could have been simply an accident, but how did it happen to take out the entire bridge? I grew up quite near the Mississippi River as well, in Alton Illinois.
I doubt Ms. Logan has much maritime experience. I served in the navy for 6 years, in the engine room. And yes, I have experienced complete loss of power.
As far as taking out the whole bridge, it depends on the design of the bridge. If you hit a load bearing member, catastrophic failure results. If you look at photos taken the morning after the accident, you’ll see that it was not the whole bridge that collapsed, just the portion suspended by the position that was hit.
Now, I am a firm believer that DEI, SDGs and all these other, interlocking lefty loony policies are forced upon us to eventuate such calamities. But that does not mean they targeted or can target any specific point. They just greatly increase the likelihood that such will happen, which is more than enough if you are patient and the left is patient.
You and I grew up quite near each other.
I just read Jeff Childer's take on this in his Substack this morning. He points out that no MSM reports identify the pilot or the crew, either by name or nationality. And that the series of circumstances happened as they had to happen for the ship to impact that crucial pylon.
I am always skeptical of anything this current admin says, especially when they were so quick to rule out a deliberate incident. But I really appreciate any other rational assessment such as yours.
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I agree, we should take any and all statements from this admin and from the MSM as suspect. That is why I am going with the videos I have seen and matching it with my experience. I honestly have no idea what either the WH or MSM have said about it other than it happened, well I did just catch a headline stating that this vessel was involved in another collision and that the company is DEI captured. But my initial assessment has from been from looking at video. From what I see, it looks like a propulsion plant failure when going against the current. This does not mean that there were not shenanigans going on that would make a power plant failure more likely. If DEI was involved, then this is certainly the case.
Personally, I think this is both the more likely and more damning; they force DEI upon companies making them rate watch standers not upon qualifications and proven knowledge and ability only but upon gender and skin color and then sit back and await the results. This is harder to pin upon those behind this.
A point I have brought up on the recent aviation incidents that I think applies here is that due to the lockdowns and border closures, everyone in the transportation industry is “rusty”. The Pilots/Captains, crews, maintenance personnel, administrators, inspectors, the crafts themselves and machinery aboard them are all “rusty” due to prolonged period ashore for maritime folk and aground for aviators due to the panic. This too was planned, IMHO.
Therefore, my comments on this not being a targeted attack but an accident must be taken in the context that I believe multiply things were done to ensure that accidents such as this become more common.
Hmmm. Looks like DEI may be involved. If so, then the reality is between our two previously stated positions. An accident but one that was caused through planning to lead to an accident eventually, somewhere but not any specific target.
Ships are commanded by local port pilots, when entering or leaving, as was the case here. Association of Maryland Pilots. In NY/NJ it's the Sandy Hook Pilots Association. These guys have the expertise, are on call 24/7 and make a lot of money. Read about the job, this isn't DEI territory.
Shanty Man.
“New fangled gear’s no use to you
And away get away you shanty man
When you’re off Cape Horn with your fuses blew.
And they’ve got not use for a shanty man
Then’s the time to rue the day
And away get away you shanty man
You’ve sent your shanty man away
And they’ve got no use for a shanty man”
Ships are not commanded by pilots, they are piloted by pilots. The Captain remains in command is responsible for all that happens aboard his command even when a Pilot is aboard. If a pilot screws up and runs a ship aground or causes a collision, the Captain is still responsible.
Regardless of the abilities of the Captain and pilot, if the engineers Fauci up and cause the ship to lose power, then if Fauci all the pilot can do and not much else the Captain can do. Drop anchor in the hope, often vain, to stop or slow the vessel is about all that can be done when propulsion is lost in a channel. DEI could easily have played a part in the engineering and deck divisions as well as with the Capt.. While it is possible the Pilots association is DEI captured, I have not read anything yet to suggest that is the case. But if the engineering division is DEI captured and if it turns out to be as it looks, that an engineering casualty caused this, then DEI is a factor, perhaps the main factor, regardless of the pilot’s quals.
My point was that the pilot crew was local - LOCAL. At the moment of the collision the local pilot was handling the vessel. Yes, or no? Save your lame attempt at shade.
The crew is Indian. The pilot would be local but why would anyone believe the crew of an ocean liner to be local?
I didn't say the CREW (20+ people). I SAID that local pilots take ships in and out of big treacherous harbors. How obtuse are you? Or are you just that desperate for attention. Please get lost, I won't be replying further.
Yes you did. You just edited it to say “pilot crew” instead of “crew”. I do not know what game you are playing here, but as I stated from the beginning, pilots have no business in the propulsion plant.
The pilot may have been local but there was an engineering casualty aboard that vessel. Pilots have Fauci all to do with the manning of ship’s power plants.
Seriously? They chose people with mental handicaps to pilot a ship like this?
I hope not.
We'll be watching for which insurance company pays out on this "accident" and Who is collecting it....