Confirmed: the Instagram post that criticized New York Times' @gettleman
for claiming, without evidence, that Gal Abdush was a Hamas rape victim -- and for also misleading their family while reporting it -- does indeed belong to Abdush's sister, Miral Alter.
Yup, makes no sense. And IMO, it was obviously a PR campaign. They were losing public support for their genocide operation (baby slaughter), to this coordinated campaign was rolled out (after the 40 beheaded babies, baby baked in over, were all exposed as hoaxes).
Remember the black woman Tawana Brawley who faked an attack on herself to blame whites. Al Sharpton took up her cause and the gullible fell for it. Now, imagine a group of individuals, ruling authority or nation state doing what Tawana Brawley did. Imagine some of them dressing up as their enemies and then posing as their enemies and then brutally attacking.and slaughtering their own people and committing unspeakable atrocities in order to provide the pretext for mass murder of their enemies. Is this what Israel is alleging Hamas has done or what Hamas is alleging Israel has done? Could any nation state or ruling authority be so depraved, underhanded, psychopathic, Machiavellian and sadistic? Is there any precedent in history? Well yes, this is exactly what Germany did in 1939 when its own people posed as Poles attacking Germany in order to create the pretext for war on Poland. Does either Hamas or Israel alleged that something similar has happened during the current Israel - Hamas conflict?
Imagine that hamas committed all the crimes, just the same as the Russians who raped and pillaged Ukraine, the same as the Chinese raped and pillaged China, the same as the muslims raped and crucified the Armenians.
"NYT weaponized both a dead woman and sexual violence to spread propaganda in the service of a genocide."
Wow, just wow!
This is some hard core propaganda by the NYT that's being used now by those trying to justify the repeated use of bunker busting bombs in densely populated urban areas and who then dismiss any concern about civilian casualties:
"A major embarrassment for NYT's @gettleman and his story on "How Hamas Weaponized Sexual Violence."
Gal Abdush is the Oct. 7th victim whose story leads and is featured throughout the NYT article.
Her family is even featured as the cover image. NYT describes her as a "symbol" of Oct. 7th sexual violence.
But Abdush's sister says "there is no proof that there was rape."
She also accuses the NYT of manipulating their family.
They didn't know that she would be presented as a rape victim.
In other words, NYT weaponized both a dead woman and sexual violence to spread propaganda in the service of a genocide."
Your *Jewish friend* is not exempt from lying, and he is lying, abominably. To wit, the *venerable* AP used Hamas operatives as its *photojournalists*. BTW, ironically, those operatives provided ample proof of what Hamas did. His *debunking* is nothing more than verbally fellating Hamas, the entity publicly committed to the extermination of ALL Jews. he is severely outnumbered in his fabulist version of Hamas porn.
"Confirmed: the Instagram post that criticized New York Times' @gettleman
for claiming, without evidence, that Gal Abdush was a Hamas rape victim -- and for also misleading their family while reporting it -- does indeed belong to Abdush's sister, Miral Alter."
"NYT weaponized both a dead woman and sexual violence to spread propaganda in the service of a genocide."
Wow, just wow!
This is some hard core propaganda by the NYT that's being used now by those trying to justify the repeated use of bunker busting bombs in densely populated urban areas and who then dismiss any concern about civilian casualties:
"A major embarrassment for NYT's @gettleman and his story on "How Hamas Weaponized Sexual Violence."
Gal Abdush is the Oct. 7th victim whose story leads and is featured throughout the NYT article.
Her family is even featured as the cover image. NYT describes her as a "symbol" of Oct. 7th sexual violence.
But Abdush's sister says "there is no proof that there was rape."
She also accuses the NYT of manipulating their family.
They didn't know that she would be presented as a rape victim.
In other words, NYT weaponized both a dead woman and sexual violence to spread propaganda in the service of a genocide."
Was Abdush's sister right there when the terrorists were abusing and killing her? You know better than to take sensational headlines as proof positive. Again and again, the evidence is overwhelming of the horror hamas committed. Why would anyone defend hamas? We know they took all the foreign aid to get rich and impoverish the Gazans. We know they built a multi million dollar tunnel system for the sole purpose of attacking Israel, instead of making the lives of Gazans better. We know they took the water pipes to make rocket launchers, and now the Gazans are crying that they have no water. The evidence that hamas is simply a bloodthirsty death cult sect of muslims is plain to the eye
There is no need to cast aspersions on a dead woman''s sister..She could be expected to.have more exposure to the forensic i than most. That she says there ls no.evidence of rape is significant. Of course Hamas is a bloodthirsty death cult. I am sure the famiy know this, as do I. The family have no motivation to defend Hamas Legitimate questions and criticism of the actions of the media or the authorities is not the same as defense of Hamas. That is black or white thinking. It is dishonest to conflate the two things.
Oh come on Paul! You are a smart guy, but you are so naïve with Israeli propaganda. Read the New York Times article carefully and you will see they admit there is no forensic evidence or victim testimony. It's all made up by supposed eyewitnesses, who change their story multiple times. If you want to get back on the side of facts and data then follow the Grayzone online. Which is Max Blumenthal and Aaron Matte - they are all on X as well.
provides the strongest and most accessible refutation of the bogus atrocity propaganda Israel concocted to justify its genocidal rampage in Gaza
Watch and share it widely
Meanwhile, the Israeli terrorists have slaughtered over 20,000 Palestinians, with 9,000 of them children and babies. At least 1,000 children have had to have amputations without anesthesia because the sadistic, psychopathic, Israelis will not allow anesthesia into Gaza. The mask is off. We are dealing with psychopaths who are waging war on children and babies.
Bull. Sh*t. YOU read that fabrication into the report. Do not presume that others have devolved to your level of Jew-hatred and happiness to verbally fellate Hamas and Jew-haters. BTW...your *logic* dictates that Hamas itself is *naive with Israeli propaganda*, since they themselves proudly provided ample evidence of their atrocities.
Good to be skeptical of everything these days. TMK it is indisputable that Hamas attacked and killed unarmed revelers and families thus provoking the counterattack. Your “side” claims, “well yes okay they may have killed but they didn’t torture because that’s what Israel does! Besides even if they did, Hamas has every right to do whatever atrocity they wish because...ISRAEL!!” Yet all of you who are cheering on Hamas are incredibly ready and willing to believe that Israel is guilty of all the same ugly details you say Hamas is innocent of. This is the very definition of psychological projection. If I may suggest take your own advice and do not believe all you are told to believe.
That's not some rogue, random Muslim, either...jihad-by-immigration is a very real command. It's hard to imagine Europe surviving that onslaught. They may talk about mass deportation, but I can't see how they could make that happen. Meanwhile, in England, the #1 baby name for boys is Mohammad. And their birth rate now can't compensate for the mass spawning of Muslims.
There is plenty of evidence that the Zionist created and funded Hamas and just as MI5 infiltrated the IRAand engaged in terrorist activities it’s possible the IDF did the same . There are plenty of Jews who oppose the Zionist government and there was great unrest in Israel just prior to this horrific event. This would be a great opportunity to deal with dissenters . We know for certain that what we are told is polluted with lies, we know the state of the art defence system was neutralised for a number of hours. We know the IDF killed many Israel’s on that day
We should be circumspect and not allow ourselves to be tricked into cheering on the slaughter of innocent civilians
Ben Menashe, a former Mossad agent, has confirmed, on camera, that both the late criminal Jeffery Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell worked for the government of Israel. See the film in the post at the link below. According to the evidence of a former Mossad agent, "Israel literally used CHILD ABUSE in order to influence both U.S. domestic AND foreign policy. Jeffery Epstein, the world's most infamous PEDOPHILE was a tool used by the Israeli government." That is what is really "perverted." The magnitude of the immorality points to what Israel is capable of, the role that it might potentially have had in the Hamas atrocities, and to why one might reasonably want to see adherence to democratic legal principles and rigorous testing of evidence in relation to the claims being made. There is precedent for governments butchering their own people in order to blame it on their enemies and to provide a pretext for further mass murder. The German Nazis pretended to be Poles and then attacked their own people to provide the pretext to attack Poland.
The "deniers" are out in full force. In spite of live videos of the atrocities (taken from video cams worn by Hamas), in spite of 150 eyewitness reports, in spite of the video compiled of the atrocities viewed by dozens of well known people and muslims and arabs, all testify that the atrocities occurred.
How obscenely stupid and perverse to demand to see violent rapes, murders, beheading, incineration. Your interest is not in justice or truth, but in the prurient continued slow-motion Holocaust that Hamas has promised, without the pretense of mincing words. They are blunt. *Funny* how you disbelieve Israel, but pretend to believe Hamas brazen propaganda.
I am not interested in seeing them. I just don't like being lied to. When you say you have evidence, then it has to be checked. We already had the 40 beheaded babies and the baby in the oven stories turning out hoaxes. Media continues to report rumours without actual evidence.
They were not hoaxes. There are video compilations available that confirm the accounts of beheadings and burnt bodies, both adult and babies. But then, or course, the default response from those determined to defend the attempted genocide of Israeli Jews, becomes 'it's fake.' The *good Germans* were downright benign in comparison to today's contingent of *da Joooos are liars*.
You adamantly declared as lies, the proof of those rapes another atrocities. However, when provided, with no effort on your part, the opportunity to *dispel lies*, you refuse. You SHOULD have interest in seeing them, otherwise you are perpetuating the rise in making 'never again' quickly become 'now, again'.
Your absurdity is proved. Broken, cowardly Jew-hating record. I don't mind; you only expose your dishonesty and bigotry increasingly and exponentially, with ever lie.
There were dozens of hamas killers raping and torturing people with their video cams going. Israel has compiled some of those into the video they showed to Blinken, Cuomo, Muslims, Arabs, journalists. Everyone who saw that agrees it's for real
" I viewed images of a decapitated young girl, her child skull tethered to her trunk by only a sliver of decaying skin. "
The headline is a lie. She saw photos of a decapitated decayed body and does not know if it was beheaded or the result of a bomb blast. She didn't use the word beheaded. Definitely she did not examine the actual body.
The rest is nothing new. People were murdered brutally. And more hearsay.
Why did they have to lie in the headline? Why didn't you read it before you posted it?
Just keep denying. You continue to defend Hamas as saints for some perverse reason, You're just like Muhammad, a bandit, who made his life a living hell for all those he robbed, tortured, killed, burned, and then fooled billions of inbred Muslims that he was their prophet and they should prostate themselves to him in worship
Why are you lying so brazenly? Is your Jew-hatred so all-encompassing as to make you abandon even a veneer of honesty and sanity, for that matter? The WW2-era *good Germans* were virtual saints in comparison to the spittle-soaked hatred of your ilk, here on this board. They, at least, had the relative justification of self-preservation amongst a hard-fisted regime. You all, not so. Pure cowardice and hatred.
"TEL AVIV, Israel -- "You won't see rape, there's no rape in this video... We won't show you beheaded babies," a senior Israeli officer said to a small group of journalists, saying such images existed but would not be shown."
OK, this is misleading. There are hundreds of video's. This "PARTICULAR" video didn't show the mass rapes, but it showed wanton mass murder, which is far worse. You're trying to say because one video didn't show the rapes that they didn't exist?
They did not. Journalists from multiple outlets, including ABC, attended a screening of a compilation of graphic evidence. There have, in fact, now been multiple screenings, including another organized by Gal Gadot.
"TEL AVIV, Israel -- "You won't see rape, there's no rape in this video... We won't show you beheaded babies," a senior Israeli officer said to a small group of journalists, saying such images existed but would not be shown."
You laughable dunce---they are not showing ACTUAL real-time rapes, for obvious reasons. Duh, I wonder why. ABC, you dullard, won't show you this, nor the beheaded babies...that is the editorial choice of ABC, not Israeli officials, to not show you, the psychopath with an obsessive *need to see* graphic horrors, with prurient intent. Jayzus, you can't even lie well, hun.
LMAO. well, if hollywood types say it's true it really must be! you sound double vaxd and triple boosted. the delusion in these comments is hilarious. why hasnt the hollywood production of oct 7 been made available for all to see?
Uh, hun bun...she hosted a screening of the same film compilation as that hosted by Israeli officials. But, of course, she's a Jew, so the same illiterate, unhinged myopic dimwittedness that makes you hate Jews, by default, also extends to thinking that you have cleverly *insulted* me with the *vaxxed* jab, pun unintended. Not a one, dear. This is how your ilk interacts, with stupid prejudices that invite mockery and ridicule in response.
And in spite of the Kurdish female soldier being assaulted on video and passed off as Israeli and Dr. Paul jumping on that bandwagon...now, after 2 month's
The Israeli Government propaganda had a storyline, but with not one rape kit results.
Your ilk is sick with obvious prurient perversion and salivation over the demand to view the atrocities VERIFIED my multiple independent entities, and HAMAS ITSELF. I hope the women in your family are aware that if they are raped, *it didn't happen without letting me see*.
Another factoid, sweetheart...it's impossible to apply a rape kit to burned bodies, and bodies left to degrade until they can be recovered.
Yeah sure, to each his own, but not one, rape kit in a country as advanced as Isreallael is surely suspect, as is an 8+ week delay in any witness testimony, which has been debunked.
Stop. Nothing has been debunked. Don't even attempt that lie. Again---and it is either comical or tragic---the idea that rape kits are readily accessible in response to a huge murderous massacre, where many military, law enforcement, and humanitarian agencies were involved in recovery efforts first, forensics second, until the safety of the recovery workers and the bodies was secured, is ludicrous. It also conveniently ignores the reality of how rape kits even work. Hint: semen degrades rapidly, as do the bodies---many of whom were burnt--- in which it is left. Naturally, the deniers' responses would then be that *the Jews planted it*.
Max Blumenthal and Aaron Mate on The Grayzone podcast just debunked these fraudsters once again. They said a lot of the sketchy testimony is coming from the group ZAKA.
Oh dear gawd...those people there are psychopathic monsters!...the word 'demonic' comes to mind, so putrid are their comments, like this..."The absurdity of it all! THERE WAS NO JEWISH HOLOCAUST! It's a complete jewish fabrication and there is a plethora of information available on the internet and elsewhere to back this up. It appears the jews make things up as they go" Unsurprisingly, apparently some of that cowardly, downright malevolent discipleship has crossed-over to hijack Dr Alexander's substack.
Tori thank you for standing up to these asinine "New Holocaust" deniers. If it was up to many of them the Nazi pre-Holocaust proposal to re-settle all the Jews in Madagascar would be their preference (since they claim the establishment of the state of Israel was illegitimate). Among a few of the other remaining crazies, the Final Solution is a perfectly acceptable idea.
Thank you for the kind words...much appreciated. I suspect, though, the Final Solution is more than acceptable to more than a few. Very jarring to witness the depth, breadth, and scope of this outright malevolence.
"Rape Kits" are used in the United States with living, breathing, people for later evidence in court proceedings. When the victim is dead, burned to death, there won't be this process. The responders there were determining identification and bagging the corpses to prevent disease outbreak.
A key feature of a false flag is the perpetrators dressed in costume to pass themselves off as the persons they seek to blame. We saw it on Jan. 6 where saboteurs and agent provocateurs merely had to put on Trump Maga bill caps. We see it in the color revolutions operated numerous times in the last 20 years. We see it when well-heeled, consistently black-masked men show up to make a destructive mess of planned peaceful demonstrations.
I can't tell who those people are who are called Hamas, or who they work for. But they didn't get shot because -- WOW, the IDF was conveniently not there. And they couldn't be shot by Israeli civilians either because the Israeli authorities had taken away their firearms in previous weeks! The IDF was nowhere around because they were ordered to stand down for over seven hours.
So, whoever was "Hamas" or in Hamas costume, didn't have to worry about getting shot by Israelis or IDF. And when the IDF did finally show up the IDF used the HANNIBAL DIRECTIVE at the kibbutz when it made no effort to negotiate or try to save Israelis even. The IDF itself drove up the death count of the "Hamas attack" by its indiscriminate use of gun fire of all kinds.
In the world of faked info., photoshopping, CGI, and false flags, etc. -- I refuse to jump to conclusions. Just saying....
In this case the evidence is overwhelming, it's tin foil hat conspiracy theories to accuse this event as a false flag. This premise is the same as flat earthers, or we never visited the moon. They have plenty of dead Hamas members to show who did the attack.
Ben Menashe, a former Mossad agent, has confirmed, on camera, that both the late criminal Jeffery Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell worked for the government of Israel. See the film in the post at the link below. According to the evidence of a former Mossad agent, "Israel literally used CHILD ABUSE in order to influence both U.S. domestic AND foreign policy. Jeffery Epstein, the world's most infamous PEDOPHILE was a tool used by the Israeli government." That is what is really "perverted." The magnitude of the immorality points to what Israel is capable of, the role that it might potentially have had in the Hamas atrocities, and to why one might reasonably want to see adherence to democratic legal principles and rigorous testing of evidence in relation to the claims being made. There is precedent for governments butchering their own people in order to blame it on their enemies and to provide a pretext for further mass murder. The German Nazis pretended to be Poles and then attacked their own people to provide the pretext to attack Poland.
I'm skeptical about this. I would wait to see how it shakes out, before any conclusion. I wouldn't put it past our CIA to do something like this though, we've seen their corruption.
If true, that's quite the plot. Wouldn't it have been easier for Mossad to simply give millions to crooked politicians, like Biden received his millions? I fail to see if they got anything out of it, so far Clinton has been named the most, he didn't do anything great for Israel. His peace deal went thud, and it wasn't anything great for Israel.
Last I heard, dead people cannot be questioned or testify. And does Hamas have special Hamas-only DNA or something, or just a uniform/costume? At the least, the events of Oct.7-8 need a third-party investigation, because the Netanyahu Regime is untrustworthy and bloodthirsty beyond acceptance.
There were survivors, eyewitness, security camera surveillance footage, Hamas' own body-cam footage, forensic evidence, testimony from humanitarian agencies...the evidence is abundant, overwhelming, and indisputable, even to rabid Jew-haters who would prefer to be exposed as that, rather than admit facts. And, albeit unwittingly, you just made a case against the demands for rape kits...although, clearly, you have limited understanding of DNA identification.
Max Blumenthal, the miracle worker, single-handedly *discredited* all these claims that have been verified by multiple sources and third party agencies, eyewitnesses, actual victims, HAMAS ITSELF, HAMAS ITSELF, HAMAS ITSELF, and the Holocaust-denying New York Slimes? My goodness, please do send his name to the Vatican for consideration of canonization to sainthood via his copious production of miracles...
Max Blumenthal, the investigative journalist? Isn't he Jewish?
From the article:
"But dead Palestinians, well, that part of their [Hamas] plan.
'We need the blood of women, children and the elderly of Gaza so it awakens our revolutionary spirit,' declared Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh."
Dous this not remind you of what the German Nazis did when they brutally murdered their own people iduring Operation Himmler in order to justify a disproportionate and genocidal attack on Germany's enemies?
Is there reason to believe that hamas might have brutally attacked their own people and pretended the Israelis did it in order to launch a genocidal attack on Israel?
Don't hamas have a history of stirring up trouble with the Israelis whenever they are under domestic political pressure?
Correct me if I'm wrong but iIs one of the hamas leaders a psychopath and currently facing a corruption trial that he could be motivated to want to divert attention away from?
Max is Georgetown trained Jesuit agitator, CFR asset. Pure NWO thus an American domestic terrorist. Be advised that our rigged 2020, DoD gave us to Pedo, another CFR asset and a long time domestic terrorist.
Look at the results of his burning march to the sea.
There definitely were burnt bodies. That happens when you set buildings on fire.That is not proof of beheading. Why do you roll the two together?
Decapitation is a common result of bombs and grenades, that is not the same as a beheading. I have spent too much time researching this already. All the reports are second hand from people who were not there at the time.
You are brazenly lying. Amazing, the lengths your ilk will go to deny what has been verified by Hamas itself, via their body cams, video sent from the victims' phones by Hamas, surveillance cams at the kibbutzim, journalists, Red Cross and other humanitarian workers in addition to the IDF, Israeli law enforcement. This denial is both cowardly and profane, but certainly gives insight into the labyrinthine rationalizing of the unthinkable, by Jew-haters.
The video cam videos were compiled by IDF and a presentation shown to News, Cuomo, Blinken, foreign dignitaries, Journalists. This video is not in the public realm. But all those who saw the video attest to it's truth.
You are misrepresenting that. Sure, they were real.
"ABC News reported that the footage its reporters viewed did not show beheaded babies. "
From the ABC article;
"TEL AVIV, Israel -- "You won't see rape, there's no rape in this video... We won't show you beheaded babies," a senior Israeli officer said to a small group of journalists, saying such images existed but would not be shown."
So no, the videos don't show that. Also, from the description, I can tell that most of it was the dash cam videos that are widely available. They show some murders.
When they see women with their clothes pulled down and blood all over, what do you think they did? There are eyewitness survivors who have seen the rapes and murders.
Murdered bodies fall in the most unflattering ways and bombs and grenades are very disruptive to dress and grooming. There tends to be a lot of blood. That is expected.
There are only two witnesses and they were hiding. They have not been available for questioning. How do you see when you are hiding in a pit under dead bodies? X ray vision? Lots of carrots?
There is no doubt that there were over 1000 brutal murders. The embellishments of the story are in question. The baby stories spoiled the whole narrative.
You are anti-Israel, judging by your own commentary, and pro-lying, again, judging by your own commentary. The assploding cowardice in claiming that the dozens of those groups were VERIFIABLY there...while YOU WEREN'T...speaks volumes about your pontificating on *lying* and your motives in so doing.
Why do you have to lie? They were veritably NOT THERE. They arrived a few days later.
None their own reports say they saw what happened. They are forming conclusions after the fact or repeating what others told them. Can you read? Eli Beer was in the US when the attack happened.
You. Are. Lying. Stunning dishonesty. What the hell is wrong with you? *Arrived a few days later*...uh...how do you think rescue and recovery operations even work??? They ride magic unicorns? But even that magical thinking is false, since some of those humanitarian agencies, including Red Cross, maintain offices IN ISRAEL. IDF, of course, was onsite as immediately as possible, but...wait...IDF *lies*, too. You are grasping wildly at anything, to indulge your feral hatred of Jews. Moreover, no one, especially the families of the dead, need indulge your obscene need to further desecrate their loss by making images of their dead available to you. Many have done that in the hopes of preventing yet another *never again*, and you know this, because you can view some of the imagery yourself. And you also know, intimately, that those like you will continue to deny, habitually.
"Among the few who have gotten access, however, was Oren Ziv, a reporter with the left-leaning Israeli news organization +972 Magazine. Compared to Zedeck, he shared on X a different account of what he heard from soldiers. Of the reports about decapitated infants, he said, "we didn't see any evidence of this, and the army spokesperson or commanders also didn't mention any such incidents."
"The National Center for Forensic Medicine, part of Israel’s Ministry of Health, allowed journalists to view bodies of Hamas attack victims. The Media Line, an American news agency covering the Middle East, reported Oct. 20 that Dr. Chen Kugel, the center’s director, said the victims ranged in age from 3 months to 90 years old, and many bodies are without heads.
"Asked if they were decapitated, Kugel answered yes. Although he admits that, given the circumstances, it’s difficult to ascertain whether they were decapitated before or after death, as well as how they were beheaded, ‘whether cut off by knife or blown off by RPG,’ he explained," the Media Line reported. (RPG stands for rocket-powered grenade.)"
So, Israeli forensic authorities are saying they can't show proof of beheadings. If they could, they would.
That is ridiculous. Extraordinary criminal events are are always investigated and evidence collected. You think there is no forensic examination of murder victims to protect the family??
That is crazy. If there were actual beheadings medical evidence would be taken for sure.
Journalists?? Do you mean like the stupid woman reporter who said she heard about beheaded babies from a soldier? But she never took his name so he could be questioned as to where he saw that or did he hear from someone else? Or just imagined or guessed it? The Israeli government had to backpedal that story as there was no evidence.
Clearly, you are both illiterate and dissembling. The Israeli govt did not *backpedal* from that, and you can stop pretending that your disinformation is limited to just one *stupid woman*. You pick and choose from the most ignominious accounts culled from openly Jew-hating sources. One has to marvel at how much energy pathological Jew-haters are willing to expend to lie, deceive, slander and posture about how they *demand justice*, meaning, the eradication of Israel.
Correspondent Nicole Zedeck is a reporter for an Israeli news network. Are you saying she is a "Jew-hating source"?? She never saw any beheading. She claims she heard that from an unnamed soldier. She was not there during the attack.
Undoubtedly there were decapitations. . It is entirely possible and expected that heads can ripped off of babies and children by bombs, grenades and RPG's. That is not the same as beheading.
They are dead either way. Does it matter? Only if you have to lie about it. Clearly many lies were spread about this.
You are utterly despicably foolish and dissembling. In case you haven't noticed, many, many, many Jews of the leftist ilk are suicidally self-hating. No one ever said or hinted that she herself was privy to witnessing a beheading, especially since media was not cleared immediately for viewing, for reasons that should be obvious to you, one of which was to allow recovery workers to locate survivors and preserve forensic evidence, where possible.
I don't know if the Hamas defenders are Muslims or what, but if Islam is so great, why are all the Muslims fleeing to Christian countries? Why are the mullahs in Iran so upset with Israel, there are 17 Billion Muslims, are they afraid of the 6 million Jews?
They are. All of them. There are no Jews in Gaza, and less than 1000 Christians, who must hide what they are. Islamic dogma itself has as its central pillar, the domination of the earth, under Islamic rule. Jews must be exterminated, as well as any non-Jew *infidels* who refuse to submit or convert. The fact that there is no reform movement in all the centuries since this awful death cult was born by bastardizing other religions as window-dressing, speaks volumes about how Muslims must be regarded. To be fair, though, once in a blue moon, a Muslim will attempt to coalesce a reformation, here in the USA, but they are met with death threats and retributions, even here in a country with religious freedom.
Exactly. Interesting the Qur'an says, "Islam can't change" but also says, "If there's a verse we don't like, we can change it to whatever we like, it's approved by Allah"
Yawn. Your ilk demands *proof*, apparently of the perversely depraved necro-porn type, then when presented with proof that you are both too lazy and too consumed by raw Jew-hatred to review, your kneejerk reaction is a cowardly, childish, predictable intellectually lazy *yawn*. Because you lack the means to defend your lies...
*But they are all lying and I demand to see the torture porn flicks of these atrocities, or I won't believe you blah blah blah*. Expect it. it's all they have.
Sorry but this entire very very late to the party story is a bullshit psyop run by Israel and obediently regurgitated by the credulous NYT. All of the sources are either known proven liars or at best contradicting their own testimony on this issue. Watch the Grayzone coverage and don't get played for a patsy next time. Seriously do a little research before you allow yourself to be used. Also stick to COVID, that's what we signed up for.
You keep posting fake Hamas crimes stories. You have lost your mind Alexander.
https://twitter.com/aaronjmate/status/1742332128778658138
Confirmed: the Instagram post that criticized New York Times' @gettleman
for claiming, without evidence, that Gal Abdush was a Hamas rape victim -- and for also misleading their family while reporting it -- does indeed belong to Abdush's sister, Miral Alter.
It was debunked a week ago and Alexander is still pushing it.
Yup, makes no sense. And IMO, it was obviously a PR campaign. They were losing public support for their genocide operation (baby slaughter), to this coordinated campaign was rolled out (after the 40 beheaded babies, baby baked in over, were all exposed as hoaxes).
https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/people-will-be-shocked-by-the-level-of-hamas-brutality-bethany-mandel/vi-AA1mjZyq?ocid=socialshare&cvid=aeeb8e6fd19540768ce0448d1c06a125&ei=166
Remember the black woman Tawana Brawley who faked an attack on herself to blame whites. Al Sharpton took up her cause and the gullible fell for it. Now, imagine a group of individuals, ruling authority or nation state doing what Tawana Brawley did. Imagine some of them dressing up as their enemies and then posing as their enemies and then brutally attacking.and slaughtering their own people and committing unspeakable atrocities in order to provide the pretext for mass murder of their enemies. Is this what Israel is alleging Hamas has done or what Hamas is alleging Israel has done? Could any nation state or ruling authority be so depraved, underhanded, psychopathic, Machiavellian and sadistic? Is there any precedent in history? Well yes, this is exactly what Germany did in 1939 when its own people posed as Poles attacking Germany in order to create the pretext for war on Poland. Does either Hamas or Israel alleged that something similar has happened during the current Israel - Hamas conflict?
Imagine that hamas committed all the crimes, just the same as the Russians who raped and pillaged Ukraine, the same as the Chinese raped and pillaged China, the same as the muslims raped and crucified the Armenians.
"NYT weaponized both a dead woman and sexual violence to spread propaganda in the service of a genocide."
Wow, just wow!
This is some hard core propaganda by the NYT that's being used now by those trying to justify the repeated use of bunker busting bombs in densely populated urban areas and who then dismiss any concern about civilian casualties:
"A major embarrassment for NYT's @gettleman and his story on "How Hamas Weaponized Sexual Violence."
Gal Abdush is the Oct. 7th victim whose story leads and is featured throughout the NYT article.
Her family is even featured as the cover image. NYT describes her as a "symbol" of Oct. 7th sexual violence.
But Abdush's sister says "there is no proof that there was rape."
She also accuses the NYT of manipulating their family.
They didn't know that she would be presented as a rape victim.
In other words, NYT weaponized both a dead woman and sexual violence to spread propaganda in the service of a genocide."
Well said, Harold.
Nothing but atrocity propaganda to justify the ongoing genocide
https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1740105536249499791
Inspired by my reporting at @TheGrayzoneNews
, this brilliant takedown by @propandco
provides the strongest and most accessible refutation of the bogus atrocity propaganda Israel concocted to justify its genocidal rampage in Gaza
Watch and share it widely
My Jewish friend, Max Blumenthal debunks the atrocity propaganda Alexander is pushing - https://youtu.be/Nvd1zmeRPkY
Your *Jewish friend* is not exempt from lying, and he is lying, abominably. To wit, the *venerable* AP used Hamas operatives as its *photojournalists*. BTW, ironically, those operatives provided ample proof of what Hamas did. His *debunking* is nothing more than verbally fellating Hamas, the entity publicly committed to the extermination of ALL Jews. he is severely outnumbered in his fabulist version of Hamas porn.
And sadly sir, you lack wisdom, which the Bible says should come with grey hair..
Here this will help you identify who the enemy really is..
www.thereligionofpeace.com/
And study these and more loving Koran verses.. 👌
Btw theyd chop you up in two too! Just for being a non Muslim
You are an infedel too right? Ya know, a Jew , Christian or non Muslim?
Just a matter of time till sharia law and more tries to rule in our western cities too!
Watch your neck folks!
Quran 2:191- Slay the unbelievers wherever you find them.
Quran 3:28 - Muslims must not take the infidels as friends.
Quran 3:85 - Any religion other than Islam is not acceptable.
Quran 5:33 - Maim and crucify infidels if they criticize Islam.
Quran 8:12 - Terrorize and behead those who believe in scriptures y
other than the Quran.
Quran 8:60 - Muslims must muster all weapons to terrorize the infidels.
Quran 8:65 - The unbelievers are stupid;
urge the Muslims to fight them.
Quran 9:5 - When opportunity arises, kill the infidels
wherever you catch them.
Qur'an 9:30 - The Jews and the Christians are perverts; fight them.
Quran 9:123 - Make war on the infidels living in your neighborhood.
Quran 22:19 - Punish the unbelievers with garments of fire, hooked
iron rods, boiling water; melt their skin and bellies.
Quran 47:4 - Do not hanker for peace with the infidels; behead them
when you catch them.
cool. now do the talmud. thanks!
Likewise....Zionism is not Judaism. Whoever changed Judaism should be punished.
Yes, this is true!
Cionism supported all terrorist groups. See Al Khaida, ISIS, Hamas, same antifa...
The brutalism are ordered from cionist leaders!
https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/people-will-be-shocked-by-the-level-of-hamas-brutality-bethany-mandel/vi-AA1mjZyq?ocid=socialshare&cvid=aeeb8e6fd19540768ce0448d1c06a125&ei=166
Check this out:
https://twitter.com/aaronjmate/status/1742332128778658138
"Confirmed: the Instagram post that criticized New York Times' @gettleman
for claiming, without evidence, that Gal Abdush was a Hamas rape victim -- and for also misleading their family while reporting it -- does indeed belong to Abdush's sister, Miral Alter."
"NYT weaponized both a dead woman and sexual violence to spread propaganda in the service of a genocide."
Wow, just wow!
This is some hard core propaganda by the NYT that's being used now by those trying to justify the repeated use of bunker busting bombs in densely populated urban areas and who then dismiss any concern about civilian casualties:
"A major embarrassment for NYT's @gettleman and his story on "How Hamas Weaponized Sexual Violence."
Gal Abdush is the Oct. 7th victim whose story leads and is featured throughout the NYT article.
Her family is even featured as the cover image. NYT describes her as a "symbol" of Oct. 7th sexual violence.
But Abdush's sister says "there is no proof that there was rape."
She also accuses the NYT of manipulating their family.
They didn't know that she would be presented as a rape victim.
In other words, NYT weaponized both a dead woman and sexual violence to spread propaganda in the service of a genocide."
Was Abdush's sister right there when the terrorists were abusing and killing her? You know better than to take sensational headlines as proof positive. Again and again, the evidence is overwhelming of the horror hamas committed. Why would anyone defend hamas? We know they took all the foreign aid to get rich and impoverish the Gazans. We know they built a multi million dollar tunnel system for the sole purpose of attacking Israel, instead of making the lives of Gazans better. We know they took the water pipes to make rocket launchers, and now the Gazans are crying that they have no water. The evidence that hamas is simply a bloodthirsty death cult sect of muslims is plain to the eye
There is no need to cast aspersions on a dead woman''s sister..She could be expected to.have more exposure to the forensic i than most. That she says there ls no.evidence of rape is significant. Of course Hamas is a bloodthirsty death cult. I am sure the famiy know this, as do I. The family have no motivation to defend Hamas Legitimate questions and criticism of the actions of the media or the authorities is not the same as defense of Hamas. That is black or white thinking. It is dishonest to conflate the two things.
e has reached the con
Could be that she just didn't want to sully her sisters memory
Oh come on Paul! You are a smart guy, but you are so naïve with Israeli propaganda. Read the New York Times article carefully and you will see they admit there is no forensic evidence or victim testimony. It's all made up by supposed eyewitnesses, who change their story multiple times. If you want to get back on the side of facts and data then follow the Grayzone online. Which is Max Blumenthal and Aaron Matte - they are all on X as well.
Yes, Max Blumenthal and Aaron Mate have been doing true journalism and exposing the Israeli atrocity propaganda (as you said, no forensic evidence)
https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1740105536249499791
Inspired by my reporting at @TheGrayzoneNews
, this brilliant takedown by @propandco
provides the strongest and most accessible refutation of the bogus atrocity propaganda Israel concocted to justify its genocidal rampage in Gaza
Watch and share it widely
Meanwhile, the Israeli terrorists have slaughtered over 20,000 Palestinians, with 9,000 of them children and babies. At least 1,000 children have had to have amputations without anesthesia because the sadistic, psychopathic, Israelis will not allow anesthesia into Gaza. The mask is off. We are dealing with psychopaths who are waging war on children and babies.
Bull. Sh*t. YOU read that fabrication into the report. Do not presume that others have devolved to your level of Jew-hatred and happiness to verbally fellate Hamas and Jew-haters. BTW...your *logic* dictates that Hamas itself is *naive with Israeli propaganda*, since they themselves proudly provided ample evidence of their atrocities.
Good to be skeptical of everything these days. TMK it is indisputable that Hamas attacked and killed unarmed revelers and families thus provoking the counterattack. Your “side” claims, “well yes okay they may have killed but they didn’t torture because that’s what Israel does! Besides even if they did, Hamas has every right to do whatever atrocity they wish because...ISRAEL!!” Yet all of you who are cheering on Hamas are incredibly ready and willing to believe that Israel is guilty of all the same ugly details you say Hamas is innocent of. This is the very definition of psychological projection. If I may suggest take your own advice and do not believe all you are told to believe.
https://townhall.com/columnists/alanjosephbauer/2023/12/31/hamas-mass-rape-of-israeli-women-exposed-in-unlikely-place-n2633009?utm_source=thdailypm&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=nl&recip=25713777
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12909695/Women-raped-Hamas-nails-driven-thighs-groin-passed-terrorists-slaughtered-gang-rape-horrifying-new-witness-accounts-October-7-reveal.html?dicbo=v2-TnodZ7f&ico=outbrain_footer
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2023/12/28/shredded-into-pieces-witnesses-share-graphic-details-of-hamas-sexual-violence-against-israeli-women-1423309/?utm_campaign=bizpac&utm_content=Newsletter&utm_medium=Newsletter&utm_source=Get%20Response&utm_term=EMAIL
https://www.newsweek.com/i-saw-children-hamas-beheaded-my-own-eyes-shame-queen-rania-opinion-1855472?utm_source=push_notification&utm_source=pushnami&utm_medium=Push_Notifications&utm_campaign=fullauto&utm=1703639223411
https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/people-will-be-shocked-by-the-level-of-hamas-brutality-bethany-mandel/vi-AA1mjZyq?ocid=socialshare&cvid=aeeb8e6fd19540768ce0448d1c06a125&ei=166
Notice how none of the cowardly and morally bankrupted good Germans have the moral or intellectual wherewithal to dispute these accounts?
Everything Germany does is wrong.
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2024/01/germany-muslim-migrant-tiktok-star-says-soon-we-will-bring-sharia-law-to-germany
That's not some rogue, random Muslim, either...jihad-by-immigration is a very real command. It's hard to imagine Europe surviving that onslaught. They may talk about mass deportation, but I can't see how they could make that happen. Meanwhile, in England, the #1 baby name for boys is Mohammad. And their birth rate now can't compensate for the mass spawning of Muslims.
...and the FemiNazis and the "me too" crowd remain silent.
That's because society can't define what a woman is. As a result, you get this, and nobody cares. Women have been erased - literally.
Both Hamas and homosexual groups have the same paymaster: Trilateral. Your point reflects. Me too is not. :)
Weird to see protesters holding signs "Gays for Hamas."
There is plenty of evidence that the Zionist created and funded Hamas and just as MI5 infiltrated the IRAand engaged in terrorist activities it’s possible the IDF did the same . There are plenty of Jews who oppose the Zionist government and there was great unrest in Israel just prior to this horrific event. This would be a great opportunity to deal with dissenters . We know for certain that what we are told is polluted with lies, we know the state of the art defence system was neutralised for a number of hours. We know the IDF killed many Israel’s on that day
We should be circumspect and not allow ourselves to be tricked into cheering on the slaughter of innocent civilians
Ben Menashe, a former Mossad agent, has confirmed, on camera, that both the late criminal Jeffery Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell worked for the government of Israel. See the film in the post at the link below. According to the evidence of a former Mossad agent, "Israel literally used CHILD ABUSE in order to influence both U.S. domestic AND foreign policy. Jeffery Epstein, the world's most infamous PEDOPHILE was a tool used by the Israeli government." That is what is really "perverted." The magnitude of the immorality points to what Israel is capable of, the role that it might potentially have had in the Hamas atrocities, and to why one might reasonably want to see adherence to democratic legal principles and rigorous testing of evidence in relation to the claims being made. There is precedent for governments butchering their own people in order to blame it on their enemies and to provide a pretext for further mass murder. The German Nazis pretended to be Poles and then attacked their own people to provide the pretext to attack Poland.
https://x.com/CensoredMen/status/1730326810296979836?s=20
https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1740105536249499791
Inspired by my reporting at @TheGrayzoneNews
, this brilliant takedown by @propandco
provides the strongest and most accessible refutation of the bogus atrocity propaganda Israel concocted to justify its genocidal rampage in Gaza
Watch and share it widely
We *know* nothing of the sort. Who is this all-knowing monolithic *we* for whom you speak?
The "deniers" are out in full force. In spite of live videos of the atrocities (taken from video cams worn by Hamas), in spite of 150 eyewitness reports, in spite of the video compiled of the atrocities viewed by dozens of well known people and muslims and arabs, all testify that the atrocities occurred.
You are lying about live videos. There are none showing any rapes.
How obscenely stupid and perverse to demand to see violent rapes, murders, beheading, incineration. Your interest is not in justice or truth, but in the prurient continued slow-motion Holocaust that Hamas has promised, without the pretense of mincing words. They are blunt. *Funny* how you disbelieve Israel, but pretend to believe Hamas brazen propaganda.
I am not interested in seeing them. I just don't like being lied to. When you say you have evidence, then it has to be checked. We already had the 40 beheaded babies and the baby in the oven stories turning out hoaxes. Media continues to report rumours without actual evidence.
They were not hoaxes. There are video compilations available that confirm the accounts of beheadings and burnt bodies, both adult and babies. But then, or course, the default response from those determined to defend the attempted genocide of Israeli Jews, becomes 'it's fake.' The *good Germans* were downright benign in comparison to today's contingent of *da Joooos are liars*.
You adamantly declared as lies, the proof of those rapes another atrocities. However, when provided, with no effort on your part, the opportunity to *dispel lies*, you refuse. You SHOULD have interest in seeing them, otherwise you are perpetuating the rise in making 'never again' quickly become 'now, again'.
You have shown no proof.
Your absurdity is proved. Broken, cowardly Jew-hating record. I don't mind; you only expose your dishonesty and bigotry increasingly and exponentially, with ever lie.
Besides the rapes they pounded nails into people and cut off breasts, and burned people to death. You can deny all you want.
There were dozens of hamas killers raping and torturing people with their video cams going. Israel has compiled some of those into the video they showed to Blinken, Cuomo, Muslims, Arabs, journalists. Everyone who saw that agrees it's for real
No. ABC and others saw the videos and reported no rapes or beheadings shown.
Dr. Qanta Ahmed saw this horror, see what she says.
https://www.newsweek.com/i-saw-children-hamas-beheaded-my-own-eyes-shame-queen-rania-opinion-1855472?utm_source=push_notification&utm_source=pushnami&utm_medium=Push_Notifications&utm_campaign=fullauto&utm=1703639223411
In her own words;
" I viewed images of a decapitated young girl, her child skull tethered to her trunk by only a sliver of decaying skin. "
The headline is a lie. She saw photos of a decapitated decayed body and does not know if it was beheaded or the result of a bomb blast. She didn't use the word beheaded. Definitely she did not examine the actual body.
The rest is nothing new. People were murdered brutally. And more hearsay.
Why did they have to lie in the headline? Why didn't you read it before you posted it?
Just keep denying. You continue to defend Hamas as saints for some perverse reason, You're just like Muhammad, a bandit, who made his life a living hell for all those he robbed, tortured, killed, burned, and then fooled billions of inbred Muslims that he was their prophet and they should prostate themselves to him in worship
Why are you lying so brazenly? Is your Jew-hatred so all-encompassing as to make you abandon even a veneer of honesty and sanity, for that matter? The WW2-era *good Germans* were virtual saints in comparison to the spittle-soaked hatred of your ilk, here on this board. They, at least, had the relative justification of self-preservation amongst a hard-fisted regime. You all, not so. Pure cowardice and hatred.
Go ahead, put the link here for ABC news
https://abcnews.go.com/International/horror-israeli-authorities-show-footage-hamas-atrocities-reporters-notebook/story?id=104015431
"TEL AVIV, Israel -- "You won't see rape, there's no rape in this video... We won't show you beheaded babies," a senior Israeli officer said to a small group of journalists, saying such images existed but would not be shown."
OK, this is misleading. There are hundreds of video's. This "PARTICULAR" video didn't show the mass rapes, but it showed wanton mass murder, which is far worse. You're trying to say because one video didn't show the rapes that they didn't exist?
They did not. Journalists from multiple outlets, including ABC, attended a screening of a compilation of graphic evidence. There have, in fact, now been multiple screenings, including another organized by Gal Gadot.
The ABC article; https://abcnews.go.com/International/horror-israeli-authorities-show-footage-hamas-atrocities-reporters-notebook/story?id=104015431
From the ABC article;
"TEL AVIV, Israel -- "You won't see rape, there's no rape in this video... We won't show you beheaded babies," a senior Israeli officer said to a small group of journalists, saying such images existed but would not be shown."
So, you are lying again. The IDF says so.
You laughable dunce---they are not showing ACTUAL real-time rapes, for obvious reasons. Duh, I wonder why. ABC, you dullard, won't show you this, nor the beheaded babies...that is the editorial choice of ABC, not Israeli officials, to not show you, the psychopath with an obsessive *need to see* graphic horrors, with prurient intent. Jayzus, you can't even lie well, hun.
LMAO. well, if hollywood types say it's true it really must be! you sound double vaxd and triple boosted. the delusion in these comments is hilarious. why hasnt the hollywood production of oct 7 been made available for all to see?
Uh, hun bun...she hosted a screening of the same film compilation as that hosted by Israeli officials. But, of course, she's a Jew, so the same illiterate, unhinged myopic dimwittedness that makes you hate Jews, by default, also extends to thinking that you have cleverly *insulted* me with the *vaxxed* jab, pun unintended. Not a one, dear. This is how your ilk interacts, with stupid prejudices that invite mockery and ridicule in response.
And in spite of the Kurdish female soldier being assaulted on video and passed off as Israeli and Dr. Paul jumping on that bandwagon...now, after 2 month's
The Israeli Government propaganda had a storyline, but with not one rape kit results.
Your ilk is sick with obvious prurient perversion and salivation over the demand to view the atrocities VERIFIED my multiple independent entities, and HAMAS ITSELF. I hope the women in your family are aware that if they are raped, *it didn't happen without letting me see*.
Another factoid, sweetheart...it's impossible to apply a rape kit to burned bodies, and bodies left to degrade until they can be recovered.
Yeah sure, to each his own, but not one, rape kit in a country as advanced as Isreallael is surely suspect, as is an 8+ week delay in any witness testimony, which has been debunked.
Stop. Nothing has been debunked. Don't even attempt that lie. Again---and it is either comical or tragic---the idea that rape kits are readily accessible in response to a huge murderous massacre, where many military, law enforcement, and humanitarian agencies were involved in recovery efforts first, forensics second, until the safety of the recovery workers and the bodies was secured, is ludicrous. It also conveniently ignores the reality of how rape kits even work. Hint: semen degrades rapidly, as do the bodies---many of whom were burnt--- in which it is left. Naturally, the deniers' responses would then be that *the Jews planted it*.
Aaron Mate called the ZAKA organization "documented fraudsters".
Max Blumenthal and Aaron Mate on The Grayzone podcast just debunked these fraudsters once again. They said a lot of the sketchy testimony is coming from the group ZAKA.
You meant they lied, to the gratification of their Jew-hating audience.
Tori I think we need you over at Celia Farber's Substack to answer some of her nasty insinuations about Israeli people. Check out this blog:
Israeli Children Sing Of Annihilating Gaza And Seem To Have Been Taught Arabs Were Behind The Holocaust https://celiafarber.substack.com/p/israeli-children-sing-of-annihilating/comments
As we know, the Grand Mufti collaborated with Hitler, so yes, Arabs were behind the holocaust.
Oh dear gawd...those people there are psychopathic monsters!...the word 'demonic' comes to mind, so putrid are their comments, like this..."The absurdity of it all! THERE WAS NO JEWISH HOLOCAUST! It's a complete jewish fabrication and there is a plethora of information available on the internet and elsewhere to back this up. It appears the jews make things up as they go" Unsurprisingly, apparently some of that cowardly, downright malevolent discipleship has crossed-over to hijack Dr Alexander's substack.
Tori thank you for standing up to these asinine "New Holocaust" deniers. If it was up to many of them the Nazi pre-Holocaust proposal to re-settle all the Jews in Madagascar would be their preference (since they claim the establishment of the state of Israel was illegitimate). Among a few of the other remaining crazies, the Final Solution is a perfectly acceptable idea.
Thank you for the kind words...much appreciated. I suspect, though, the Final Solution is more than acceptable to more than a few. Very jarring to witness the depth, breadth, and scope of this outright malevolence.
"Rape Kits" are used in the United States with living, breathing, people for later evidence in court proceedings. When the victim is dead, burned to death, there won't be this process. The responders there were determining identification and bagging the corpses to prevent disease outbreak.
A key feature of a false flag is the perpetrators dressed in costume to pass themselves off as the persons they seek to blame. We saw it on Jan. 6 where saboteurs and agent provocateurs merely had to put on Trump Maga bill caps. We see it in the color revolutions operated numerous times in the last 20 years. We see it when well-heeled, consistently black-masked men show up to make a destructive mess of planned peaceful demonstrations.
I can't tell who those people are who are called Hamas, or who they work for. But they didn't get shot because -- WOW, the IDF was conveniently not there. And they couldn't be shot by Israeli civilians either because the Israeli authorities had taken away their firearms in previous weeks! The IDF was nowhere around because they were ordered to stand down for over seven hours.
So, whoever was "Hamas" or in Hamas costume, didn't have to worry about getting shot by Israelis or IDF. And when the IDF did finally show up the IDF used the HANNIBAL DIRECTIVE at the kibbutz when it made no effort to negotiate or try to save Israelis even. The IDF itself drove up the death count of the "Hamas attack" by its indiscriminate use of gun fire of all kinds.
In the world of faked info., photoshopping, CGI, and false flags, etc. -- I refuse to jump to conclusions. Just saying....
In this case the evidence is overwhelming, it's tin foil hat conspiracy theories to accuse this event as a false flag. This premise is the same as flat earthers, or we never visited the moon. They have plenty of dead Hamas members to show who did the attack.
Ben Menashe, a former Mossad agent, has confirmed, on camera, that both the late criminal Jeffery Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell worked for the government of Israel. See the film in the post at the link below. According to the evidence of a former Mossad agent, "Israel literally used CHILD ABUSE in order to influence both U.S. domestic AND foreign policy. Jeffery Epstein, the world's most infamous PEDOPHILE was a tool used by the Israeli government." That is what is really "perverted." The magnitude of the immorality points to what Israel is capable of, the role that it might potentially have had in the Hamas atrocities, and to why one might reasonably want to see adherence to democratic legal principles and rigorous testing of evidence in relation to the claims being made. There is precedent for governments butchering their own people in order to blame it on their enemies and to provide a pretext for further mass murder. The German Nazis pretended to be Poles and then attacked their own people to provide the pretext to attack Poland.
https://x.com/CensoredMen/status/1730326810296979836?s=20
I'm skeptical about this. I would wait to see how it shakes out, before any conclusion. I wouldn't put it past our CIA to do something like this though, we've seen their corruption.
If true, that's quite the plot. Wouldn't it have been easier for Mossad to simply give millions to crooked politicians, like Biden received his millions? I fail to see if they got anything out of it, so far Clinton has been named the most, he didn't do anything great for Israel. His peace deal went thud, and it wasn't anything great for Israel.
Last I heard, dead people cannot be questioned or testify. And does Hamas have special Hamas-only DNA or something, or just a uniform/costume? At the least, the events of Oct.7-8 need a third-party investigation, because the Netanyahu Regime is untrustworthy and bloodthirsty beyond acceptance.
Is Dr. Qanta Ahred untrustworthy and bloodthirsty beyond acceptance?
There were survivors, eyewitness, security camera surveillance footage, Hamas' own body-cam footage, forensic evidence, testimony from humanitarian agencies...the evidence is abundant, overwhelming, and indisputable, even to rabid Jew-haters who would prefer to be exposed as that, rather than admit facts. And, albeit unwittingly, you just made a case against the demands for rape kits...although, clearly, you have limited understanding of DNA identification.
https://www.newsweek.com/i-saw-children-hamas-beheaded-my-own-eyes-shame-queen-rania-opinion-1855472?utm_source=push_notification&utm_source=pushnami&utm_medium=Push_Notifications&utm_campaign=fullauto&utm=1703639223411
Your Jew-hatred is profane and deranged.
Max Blumenthal has discredited most, if not all, of these claims.
Max Blumenthal, the miracle worker, single-handedly *discredited* all these claims that have been verified by multiple sources and third party agencies, eyewitnesses, actual victims, HAMAS ITSELF, HAMAS ITSELF, HAMAS ITSELF, and the Holocaust-denying New York Slimes? My goodness, please do send his name to the Vatican for consideration of canonization to sainthood via his copious production of miracles...
It was just good-old gumshoe investigation, and reporting his findings.
No, it wasn't. It is straight-up kneeling, verbal fellatio of Hamas.
Max Blumenthal, the investigative journalist? Isn't he Jewish?
From the article:
"But dead Palestinians, well, that part of their [Hamas] plan.
'We need the blood of women, children and the elderly of Gaza so it awakens our revolutionary spirit,' declared Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh."
Dous this not remind you of what the German Nazis did when they brutally murdered their own people iduring Operation Himmler in order to justify a disproportionate and genocidal attack on Germany's enemies?
Is there reason to believe that hamas might have brutally attacked their own people and pretended the Israelis did it in order to launch a genocidal attack on Israel?
Don't hamas have a history of stirring up trouble with the Israelis whenever they are under domestic political pressure?
Correct me if I'm wrong but iIs one of the hamas leaders a psychopath and currently facing a corruption trial that he could be motivated to want to divert attention away from?
Yes, his name is Nutandyahoo.
And he lives in your head like the unrequited crush of a junior-high girl spurned by her dream boy.
Max is Georgetown trained Jesuit agitator, CFR asset. Pure NWO thus an American domestic terrorist. Be advised that our rigged 2020, DoD gave us to Pedo, another CFR asset and a long time domestic terrorist.
Look at the results of his burning march to the sea.
And Max also happens to be a non-Zionist Jew.
You think that buttresses your claim of his *credibility*? That he is a self-hating Jew? Circular reasoning that is ludicrous even on the surface.
There definitely were burnt bodies. That happens when you set buildings on fire.That is not proof of beheading. Why do you roll the two together?
Decapitation is a common result of bombs and grenades, that is not the same as a beheading. I have spent too much time researching this already. All the reports are second hand from people who were not there at the time.
You are just lying.
You are brazenly lying. Amazing, the lengths your ilk will go to deny what has been verified by Hamas itself, via their body cams, video sent from the victims' phones by Hamas, surveillance cams at the kibbutzim, journalists, Red Cross and other humanitarian workers in addition to the IDF, Israeli law enforcement. This denial is both cowardly and profane, but certainly gives insight into the labyrinthine rationalizing of the unthinkable, by Jew-haters.
Show me one of these many body cam videos then. You can't. Don't bother with the dash cam videos. I saw them months ago.
None of the groups you list were present. Total speculation.
You don't know me, I am pro Israel, just anti lying.
The video cam videos were compiled by IDF and a presentation shown to News, Cuomo, Blinken, foreign dignitaries, Journalists. This video is not in the public realm. But all those who saw the video attest to it's truth.
You are misrepresenting that. Sure, they were real.
"ABC News reported that the footage its reporters viewed did not show beheaded babies. "
From the ABC article;
"TEL AVIV, Israel -- "You won't see rape, there's no rape in this video... We won't show you beheaded babies," a senior Israeli officer said to a small group of journalists, saying such images existed but would not be shown."
So no, the videos don't show that. Also, from the description, I can tell that most of it was the dash cam videos that are widely available. They show some murders.
When they see women with their clothes pulled down and blood all over, what do you think they did? There are eyewitness survivors who have seen the rapes and murders.
Murdered bodies fall in the most unflattering ways and bombs and grenades are very disruptive to dress and grooming. There tends to be a lot of blood. That is expected.
There are only two witnesses and they were hiding. They have not been available for questioning. How do you see when you are hiding in a pit under dead bodies? X ray vision? Lots of carrots?
There is no doubt that there were over 1000 brutal murders. The embellishments of the story are in question. The baby stories spoiled the whole narrative.
You are anti-Israel, judging by your own commentary, and pro-lying, again, judging by your own commentary. The assploding cowardice in claiming that the dozens of those groups were VERIFIABLY there...while YOU WEREN'T...speaks volumes about your pontificating on *lying* and your motives in so doing.
Why do you have to lie? They were veritably NOT THERE. They arrived a few days later.
None their own reports say they saw what happened. They are forming conclusions after the fact or repeating what others told them. Can you read? Eli Beer was in the US when the attack happened.
You. Are. Lying. Stunning dishonesty. What the hell is wrong with you? *Arrived a few days later*...uh...how do you think rescue and recovery operations even work??? They ride magic unicorns? But even that magical thinking is false, since some of those humanitarian agencies, including Red Cross, maintain offices IN ISRAEL. IDF, of course, was onsite as immediately as possible, but...wait...IDF *lies*, too. You are grasping wildly at anything, to indulge your feral hatred of Jews. Moreover, no one, especially the families of the dead, need indulge your obscene need to further desecrate their loss by making images of their dead available to you. Many have done that in the hopes of preventing yet another *never again*, and you know this, because you can view some of the imagery yourself. And you also know, intimately, that those like you will continue to deny, habitually.
Israeli journalist;
"Among the few who have gotten access, however, was Oren Ziv, a reporter with the left-leaning Israeli news organization +972 Magazine. Compared to Zedeck, he shared on X a different account of what he heard from soldiers. Of the reports about decapitated infants, he said, "we didn't see any evidence of this, and the army spokesperson or commanders also didn't mention any such incidents."
From the government;
https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/12/middleeast/israel-hamas-beheading-claims-intl
From Politifact;
"The National Center for Forensic Medicine, part of Israel’s Ministry of Health, allowed journalists to view bodies of Hamas attack victims. The Media Line, an American news agency covering the Middle East, reported Oct. 20 that Dr. Chen Kugel, the center’s director, said the victims ranged in age from 3 months to 90 years old, and many bodies are without heads.
"Asked if they were decapitated, Kugel answered yes. Although he admits that, given the circumstances, it’s difficult to ascertain whether they were decapitated before or after death, as well as how they were beheaded, ‘whether cut off by knife or blown off by RPG,’ he explained," the Media Line reported. (RPG stands for rocket-powered grenade.)"
So, Israeli forensic authorities are saying they can't show proof of beheadings. If they could, they would.
That is ridiculous. Extraordinary criminal events are are always investigated and evidence collected. You think there is no forensic examination of murder victims to protect the family??
That is crazy. If there were actual beheadings medical evidence would be taken for sure.
Journalists?? Do you mean like the stupid woman reporter who said she heard about beheaded babies from a soldier? But she never took his name so he could be questioned as to where he saw that or did he hear from someone else? Or just imagined or guessed it? The Israeli government had to backpedal that story as there was no evidence.
Clearly, you are both illiterate and dissembling. The Israeli govt did not *backpedal* from that, and you can stop pretending that your disinformation is limited to just one *stupid woman*. You pick and choose from the most ignominious accounts culled from openly Jew-hating sources. One has to marvel at how much energy pathological Jew-haters are willing to expend to lie, deceive, slander and posture about how they *demand justice*, meaning, the eradication of Israel.
Correspondent Nicole Zedeck is a reporter for an Israeli news network. Are you saying she is a "Jew-hating source"?? She never saw any beheading. She claims she heard that from an unnamed soldier. She was not there during the attack.
Undoubtedly there were decapitations. . It is entirely possible and expected that heads can ripped off of babies and children by bombs, grenades and RPG's. That is not the same as beheading.
They are dead either way. Does it matter? Only if you have to lie about it. Clearly many lies were spread about this.
You are utterly despicably foolish and dissembling. In case you haven't noticed, many, many, many Jews of the leftist ilk are suicidally self-hating. No one ever said or hinted that she herself was privy to witnessing a beheading, especially since media was not cleared immediately for viewing, for reasons that should be obvious to you, one of which was to allow recovery workers to locate survivors and preserve forensic evidence, where possible.
And our borders are wide open for these terrorists who hate Americans & Christians as much as they hate Jews!
Familiarize yourself with the Cloward-Piven strategy...it is being executed flawlessly.
More propaganda. There were more than a thousand murders. There is no need to make up Bullshit.
PLEASE PROVIDE THE PICTURES OF THIS DESECRATION
https://www.newsweek.com/i-saw-children-hamas-beheaded-my-own-eyes-shame-queen-rania-opinion-1855472?utm_source=push_notification&utm_source=pushnami&utm_medium=Push_Notifications&utm_campaign=fullauto&utm=1703639223411
Yawn.
Yawn all you like, the IDF is killing the Hamas leaders and will eliminate all of them.
That's great that your "team" is winning.
I don't know if the Hamas defenders are Muslims or what, but if Islam is so great, why are all the Muslims fleeing to Christian countries? Why are the mullahs in Iran so upset with Israel, there are 17 Billion Muslims, are they afraid of the 6 million Jews?
They are. All of them. There are no Jews in Gaza, and less than 1000 Christians, who must hide what they are. Islamic dogma itself has as its central pillar, the domination of the earth, under Islamic rule. Jews must be exterminated, as well as any non-Jew *infidels* who refuse to submit or convert. The fact that there is no reform movement in all the centuries since this awful death cult was born by bastardizing other religions as window-dressing, speaks volumes about how Muslims must be regarded. To be fair, though, once in a blue moon, a Muslim will attempt to coalesce a reformation, here in the USA, but they are met with death threats and retributions, even here in a country with religious freedom.
Exactly. Interesting the Qur'an says, "Islam can't change" but also says, "If there's a verse we don't like, we can change it to whatever we like, it's approved by Allah"
Yawn. Your ilk demands *proof*, apparently of the perversely depraved necro-porn type, then when presented with proof that you are both too lazy and too consumed by raw Jew-hatred to review, your kneejerk reaction is a cowardly, childish, predictable intellectually lazy *yawn*. Because you lack the means to defend your lies...
we got a live one here! Lol
Yep
Presumably, you mean educated. In that case, yes, indeed.
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2023/12/28/shredded-into-pieces-witnesses-share-graphic-details-of-hamas-sexual-violence-against-israeli-women-1423309/?utm_campaign=bizpac&utm_content=Newsletter&utm_medium=Newsletter&utm_source=Get%20Response&utm_term=EMAIL
if you could post just one more piece of propaganda I think I will believe it. Maybe two
Your snark doesn't conceal your Jew-hatred. It only underscores it.
*But they are all lying and I demand to see the torture porn flicks of these atrocities, or I won't believe you blah blah blah*. Expect it. it's all they have.
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2023/12/what-hamas-did-to-the-girls-and-women-in-gaza#
https://townhall.com/columnists/alanjosephbauer/2023/12/31/hamas-mass-rape-of-israeli-women-exposed-in-unlikely-place-n2633009?utm_source=thdailypm&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=nl&recip=25713777
TO KHALED MARSHAL, THE ONLY FRIDAY OF THE AL- AQSA FLOOD YOU ARE ABOUT TO SEE IS
THE DEAD BODIES OF THE HAMAS SCUM ROTTING IN THE DESERT SANDS, IT WILL MAKE GREAT
SOIL FOR THE WORLD’S STARVING AS THE ARAB BROTHERHOOD LIVE IN LUXURY WHILE DEBASING THE PALESTINIANS-
Sorry but this entire very very late to the party story is a bullshit psyop run by Israel and obediently regurgitated by the credulous NYT. All of the sources are either known proven liars or at best contradicting their own testimony on this issue. Watch the Grayzone coverage and don't get played for a patsy next time. Seriously do a little research before you allow yourself to be used. Also stick to COVID, that's what we signed up for.