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Dr Robert Malone has explained his role in this technology in so many interviews that I cannot count. You all need to play nicely together in this collective fight rather than go at each other. It's embarrassing and harmful to the broader cause. Dr. Malone on Bret Weinstein's podcast is the thing that woke me up in 2021. Please be kind to one another and give each other grace.

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Yes, focus for now on opposition to the vaxxxx. This particular vaxxx was not developed by Malone.

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Malone wrote this in January 2020, something does not add up and no one is asking him the proper questions:

“Safety testing of COVID-19 S protein-based B cell vaccines in animal models is strongly encouraged prior to clinical trials to reduce risk of ADE upon virus exposure.” You also said “This leads to the prediction that new attempts to create either SARS-CoV-1 vaccines70, MERS-CoV vaccines71, or SARS-CoV-2 vaccines have potentially higher risks for inducing ADE in humans facilitated by antibody infection of phagocytic immune cells. This potential ADE risk is independent of the vaccine technology72 or targeting strategy selected due to predicted phagocytic immune cell infections upon antibody uptake”

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You aren't the only one who has concerns about Dr. Malone. I was over at Sasha Latypova's substack earlier and there are lots of concerning questions about him, as well as his lawsuits against Dr. Breggin and others:

https://thirdparadigm.substack.com/p/who-is-robert-malone-really

https://dianawest.net/Home/tabid/36/EntryId/4421/Dr-Robert-Malone-A-Risk-Analysis.aspx

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Isn't he recommending caution, caution which wasn't exercised? He was not part of the team bringing forward the Covid vaxxx as far as I know.

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neither I, so thats is why we ask the right questions. he was silent, I dont think you understan what I am saying. from the time it was developed to when he said he got a reaction, he was largely silent. if you read what I posted there, this is not caution, this is a catastrophic statement. this paper was never published. just stood in research gate etc. had you been told this by the inventor of the technology, would you have taken the shot? explained what ADE is, in Feb 2021, would you have taken the shot, know it was not studied properly, no safety testing, would you? I dont think so. He was silent. why?

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Did I not see a video with Malone and his wife speaking to high school aged kids recommending the Rat Juice ... and addressing any concerns they might have ...

Or was that a dream...

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I saw that.

They were in Hawaii in a casual outdoor setting and he didn’t bother to help them make a good decision. He looked like and spoke like a Svengali.

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link? date?

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He spoke against it for a long time, and many took it anyway.

In fact, the permanent establishment rewrote history to say he had very little claim to patents and work on the mRNA technology. So even if he yelled from the mountaintop on the very first day, they were going to neuter him...as was everyone who tried to speak on twitter/facebook/instagram.

What's your deal here? It doesn't seem obvious that you don't have some dog in the hunt.

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Did he know if the recommended animal studies were done? If he knew they weren't, yes, it might be odd that he would go a head and take the vaxxx himself knowing the risk. Is that what you are saying?

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I want him to answer all the questions. He has answered none, just told us about horses and prepared speeches. It is very interesting. Fame and money made on 'I am the inventor' yet no questions. hhhmmmm

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Perhaps he is cowardice? Like millions of docs. No big surprise. Still is perhaps? So he lays just low enough to avoid extra heat. He is getting some of course. Like millions of docs and scientists, bribed or cowards or both, for decades and certainly, recently. Love their cash cow, not their ppl as much. Just like the uni-party politicians. Self-preservation and glorification abounds.

Gold warned of ADE early on. She was canceled and imprisoned. Anyone who spoke was cancelled. Anyone mentioning ADE was canceled, mocked, silenced. You know this.

Some docs and scientists knew the reason there was never a common cold corona-virus jab for decades was because animal testing failed repeatedly attempt after attempt. Where were they? Why didn't they speak?

I'm not defending him, I agree there are a few unanswered questions.

But consider these things as well.

It is likely many, many more will make decisions in self or family or livelihood or luxury comfort level preservation even in the midst of the fight for freedom, truth, and self-determination. As it is, exactly that, self-determination.

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And even thr ones fighting against it often won't help others with very good info like Dr. Lee, LA, lasik Dr. He can't get any of these other "good foght Dr.s" to call him back and he's pfferong big paydays for debates and spent thr time and money to send legal doc's toncdc, fda, fauci, etc.

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He heped invent the technology, not the COVID19 jab.

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His work with cationic liposomes, snake venom and ricin go waaay back yet he refuses to discuss. He even told Stew Peters prior to an interview that he wasn't permitted to ask certain questions. Just a couple days ago Karen Kingston revealed a whole other, deeply nefarious chapter on this man ( Maline) I highly recommend you watch thos 20 minute or so interview . It literally made me sick to my stomach. Confirms what I already intuitively believed about Malone. You have a good heart Dr Paul. You are noble in character, these people are monsters that need to be exposed. FULL STOP!

https://rumble.com/v2basju-plandemic-depopulation-plan-exposed-big-pharma-creates-bioweapon-to-profit-.html

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I can see why Malone wouldn't want to seem to support Dr. Ardis' over the top discussion of snake venom. Obviously, he and many others have experimented with snake venom for many purposes, especially defeating cancer.

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But Malone doesn't deny he invented or helped invent the lipid platform for mRNA jabs. The objects to the way it was used without proper safety testing, etc. Stew Peters just assumes otherwise.

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Remeber Dr. Alexander, Dr. Malone also spoke about the codon issue, and the substitute of PSEUDOURIDINE for URIDINE...which had NOTHING to do with.

You NEED HIM AS A FRIEND.

HE KNOWS WHAT THEY DID WRONG.

HE IS MAD ALSO.

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Dr Paul I agree with you if you feel that dr Malone is not telling the whole story re the vax technology. However I suggest that you please contact him in a respectful manner in order to get the answers you need. I applaud your tireless work I. Doing what is right and I as much as you wish to see an end to this madness and those responsible for this act of genocide brought to book.

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Dr Paul has invited him to dialogue I believe it was stated in a substack a month ago. Dr Peter Breggin has also wanted to dialogue with Dr Malone on any podcast of his choosing but he will not agree.

Dr Breggin and his wife, Dr Jane Ruby and even Judy Mikovics have all asked important questions of Dr. Malone.

You can find several videos by searching in Rumble or Bitchute. Type Malone's name along with those he is suing.

I've never trusted him from the beginning and the fact that he sues anyone who disagrees with him shows he is not a true believer in "freedom of speech".

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https://rumble.com/v2basju-plandemic-depopulation-plan-exposed-big-pharma-creates-bioweapon-to-profit-.html

Dr Paul

ROBERT MALONE'S DIRTY FINGERS IN CATIONIC LIPOSOMES RESEARCH . PLEASE WATCH STARTING AT 8:30 AS KAREN KINGSTON DIVES DEEP INTO ROBERT MALONES NEFARIOUS ACTIVITIES.

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Try and square this with what you wrote on March 1, Dr. Alexander:

https://open.substack.com/pub/rwmalonemd/p/regarding-covid-19-pseudo-mrna-vax?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android

Take a chill pill, dude. You're making a mess of things. Your willful blindness about the good Malone has provided is a distraction. "No enemies on the Right" needs to be applied by you for a while. Let the smoke clear.

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Just watched the Odysee link above. Malone has never said he was an anti-vaxxxer. He has criticized the way the current mRNA vaxxes were rolled out without proper safety testing. If I understand the RelCovax correctly it is not mRNA based, but is more traditionally based. Sure, criticize him all you want for believing in viruses, virology and immunology, but that doesn't make him the devil. Malone should be welcomed as a vacinologist willing to speak-out when he sees dangers, but not necessarily endorsed for his relatively Establishment views.

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He's the complete opposite of an antibaxer, he's worked pushing garbage and helping create garbage most of his life. It's so dangerous he took them? I doubt he took them but he says he did. Not with knowledge he had on LNP, and mrna, no way. This crap gpes back aloooong time.

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I agree wholeheartedly! This Substack posting is over the top. I was ready to subscribe to Dr. Alexander’s Substack as a paid subscriber, but now I’m hesitant. I have followed the “covid truth seeker” movement closely for nearly 3 years. BRAVO!!! I have built an extensive library of interviews, presentations and writings by many of the higher profile physician, scientist, journalist (traditional & otherwise) warriors. The esteemed careers of many have been lost. They have had to rebuild and find other ways to make a living in the midst of the battle. That includes Dr. Malone. There has been some nitpicking about financial pursuits by these warriors that is harmful, not helpful and should CEASE AND DESIST by everyone. That also includes Dr. Malone, who is NOT perfect as are none of the warriors. I say.....on that front let the free markets rule. Don’t get distracted and resort to picking the low hanging fruit.

With that said, Dr. Malone has explained his participation in the discovery of mRNA technology numerous times. He reportedly holds patents! However his involvement seems to have been a fairly short lived part of his post graduate work. He has described how the use of mRNA technology was abandoned decades ago by his work group after futile attempts to further develop it as an avenue for therapeutics. Dr. Malone has explained that in the midst of the covid pandemic debacle he took the “safe and effective” mRNA vaccine himself, and was injured. It appears that he, like many of us initially trusted that useful & reasonably safe covid vaccine products had eventually been developed. Those of us who thought that were wrong.

I implore all involved, let’s NOT get into relatively petty spats. Doing so can ONLY serve to divide, thus weakening the fight for medical and overall personal freedom. It is an immensely difficult battle. Our corrupt government has NOT served us well. Those at the helm seem perfectly willing for hundreds of thousands if not millions of us to be sacrificed as collateral damage, or were they actually aiming at us. The why still needs to be answered , exposed, and rectified. We must not miss the forest for the trees. It will be a long term struggle.

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Well stated. Thank you for your precisely explained and well thought out response. We need voices like yours to remind us who the real enemies are. We cannot tear each other apart without tearing the movement apart.

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Well put. Also, it seems suspect that all of the blame for people dying from the mRNA vax has shifted away from the real perps in all this-- Fauci, Dazak etc...and onto Malone and it is happening lockstep as if everyone got some kind of memo. This is also all happening right at the same time the mainstream media is finally admitting that it was China who created the virus and accidentally released it. The entire Senate including all the dems just voted to condemn China for it, the same dems that were ready to jail anyone for saying China had anything to do with the release of the virus a year ago. There's a narrative shift in play folks.

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Malone wrote that basically there is no malicious intent... it's just a bunch of folks committing evil but oblivious to what they are doing...

https://rwmalonemd.substack.com/p/the-banality-of-evil

This is UTTER bullshit. They know EXACTLY what they are doing - they are deploying leaky vaccines into a pandemic - then they throw paxlovid on the fire knowing full well the end game is more mutations ultimately leading to a deadly Marek's type infection

Malone is a tool of the PR Team ... he slinks around on Substack ... gives interviews... and by insisting there is no malicious intent ensures that the opposition to the Rat Juice shots takes no action that might upset the extermination plan.

The anti vaxxers drive tractors around cities or march about shouting slogans achieving absolutely nothing.

Violence? Oh no - that would be unbecoming -- and who to attack? There are no bad guys. It's just the banality of evil.

Keep marching .. keep posting comments on SS... but NEVER take any real action. NEVER.

That's Malone's role.

And I call utter bullshit on his claim to have injected this Rat Juice garbage.

When they announced the Rat Juice would be available within a year I did a little looking and I found this https://www.wired.com/2003/05/feds-race-to-make-sars-vaccine/

Hmmm... they had lots of $$$ but they failed terribly.

Ya think Malone would NOT be aware of this? Yet he still shot the Rat Juice.

I don't think so.

Open your eyes

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Malone also said the pro vaxxx propaganda campaign is very dark. The perps will say and do anything.

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I haven’t heard or read anything on here that implies anything unkind. While I’ve also seen many of his interviews, I’ve yet to hear him speak to the matter of why, he remained quiet when his colleagues were assuring us the shot contents would stay at injection site and they were very adamant it would not travel throughout the body. I, for one, feel it is of utmost importance we know why Dr Malone didn’t interject, having more awareness than most of just how the brand new technology, never before used on humans, was designed to not only make its way through the body, but it was created to specifically to cross blood brain barrier to deliver medication targeted at the brain. There’s no chance he didn’t also hear/read the same information as the rest of us. He is an incredibly intelligent scientist, abundantly qualified to then question it and wonder why they’d be claiming the opposite of what he knew to be accurate. I was one of Dr Malone’s biggest fans. And it wasn’t until after my dad did not survive a massive heart attack, just four days after his third injection, that the thought even entered my mind. I resisted the idea that my gut wouldn’t stop nagging me about. I do not feel I’m out of line at all wanting to know more. I have zero ill feelings whatsoever about Dr Malone. I think to not be curious, in my dad’s case, would be sort of odd. I was often told I was too trusting of others throughout my life. I’m now using more caution when it comes to putting my blind trust into anyone anymore. I’ve also come to understand the importance of the saying that we must always “trust our gut”. We have been out through hell the last few years, and it doesn’t seem like we’re getting out of it anytime soon. Being allowed to ask questions to those that know more truths about this nightmare should be expected.

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Very early in the roll out of these injurious and/or lethal inoculations, another brave Canadian Scientist, Dr. Bryam Bridle spoke up and warned that the shot did NOT stay in the injection site. It caused quite a stir in the alternative and the National main stream media. He was smeared and vilified publicly far and wide. There is NO way that Malone did not hear about his findings or did not know this himself.

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And Dr Bridle lost his position at Guelph. But he’s still writing. Dr Bridle is a good man good human being.

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Malone DID speak on those dangers far earlier than most, maybe not as soon as Bridle.

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If he has explained it, he didn’t explain it well enough for some people. Why not give Dr. A some answers to his specific questions? If there’s nothing to hide...

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His questions make no sense and/or have been answered already.

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Dr. M has and is working on a new mRNA ish injection. That alone is reason for CONCERN. Period!

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What is your reference for that? I've heard no such thing. For what purpose?

Anyway, all mRNA injections are not the same. Theoretically a safe and effective one could be designed and could be properly tested for safety over many years, etc.

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I’ll find his contract with NIH. You stick with your version of theory on safe and effective. I’ll stay with no injection into a human or animal allows for undefiled from birth to death. That’s my opinion.

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Not my theory. It would be the proper way to introduce a new treatment and PROVE SAFE and EFFECTIVE instead of lying and warp speeding into disaster. We are discussing if Malone exploring and experimenting with mRNA makes him responsible for what happened with the COVID19 mRNA jab he had nothing to do with.

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Did not imply he was responsible for the creations by the companies that use the mRNA platform. He was confident in them or he wouldn’t have taken two hits himself. It was a hard lesson I’m sure to experience the after affects he did in one of those. There is a lot of posturing of Doctors and so-called experts in this environment.

Let’s keep our 12 senses aware of all things in this theatre. 😉. By the way did you see this recently?

This should be shared to EVERY member of Congress... because they're still getting it wrong.

https://www.youtube.com/live/CMSz209wV8g?feature=share

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Same. Malone on Weinstein is what made me question the vaccines. I was able to convince my elderly parents NOT to take it and it saved their lives. My mom has a heart condition and would have certainly been killed by the jab.

It's almost as if all of this infighting, which conveniently just started after the mainstream media started a blame campaign on China for "accidentally" releasing the virus and that it has some kind of agenda. I'm seeing the same Malone accusations on multiple Subs by different people and it is seeming to appear more and more coordinated.

I have no idea who is right or wrong here but I do see two things:

ONE: there has been a trend within the past week resulting in swarms of Substackers attacking Malone personally that comes across as coordinated (not saying it is) and that conveniently takes the heat off the real offender: FAUCI What happened to the outrage on Fauci? Is he off the hook now because China did it or because he is retired? The GOP congress is certainly doing nothing.

TWO: the only people who benefit from all of this infighting are the people who are really behind the virus and the jabs.

United we stand. Divided we fall. Perhaps this is intentional?

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Thank you, Paula; however, Dr. Alexander was shooting off his mouth again today ... with the notable exception of mentioning the ADE hoax he was tagging Malone with. Paul's lost it. Almost as absurdly as the Breggins have...notwithstanding a few good points made by Alexander and the Breggins. I wish they'd all just shut the hell up for a while.

https://open.substack.com/pub/rwmalonemd/p/regarding-covid-19-pseudo-mrna-vax?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android

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Only evil focuses on changing human dna which God created. They're controlled opposition. Very interconnected with gates, pfizer, etc. Even their own professional profiles state this. He "allegedly" has connections to other virus' with cures waiting. Do some digging. Plus he was in hawaii in 21 not discouraging children from taking them. He's done government witches brew/vwx work most of his life. And he's a scientist, working in medicine and cautioning everyone but has taken them himself? No, no, and no.

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And how did he know to use Pepcid to treat his covid symptoms successfully early in 2020?

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He knew this because this treatment was already being employed by Paul Marik who is a colleague of Malone's. I used the same treatment and easily found it online early 2020.

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Thanks for having links. I’ll read them. I don’t like comments with no backing.

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It certainly was not helpful to initially push the vaxxx on the elderly and others with co-morbidities. But, he took it himself thinking it would block "covid19". His development of lipid nanotech to deliver mRNA to cells does make him responsible for how that tech may have been used to concoct the jab.

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If you had listened to more of his talks and knew more about his background you could answer these questions which you put forth. We aren’t looking for a hero…just the truth.

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Look, Dr Alexander, the truth of the matter in all the debate about “mRNA technology” is an elephant in the room called DARPA-BARDA, i.e. the deepest core of the Deep State supervising, funding and patenting all “gain of function”, CRISPR-CaS9, nano-biotechnology, cDNA/mRNA IVT, for decades. Robert Kennedy Jr and Dr Peter McCollough are the only two who have recently spoken about DARPA-Pentagon role with Fauci, the FDA, “Wuhan”, Big Pharma and a myriad of “patent” inventors, as smokescreens and black money laundering middlemen for the top-brass Global Biowarfare Puppeteers and their staged “health emergency countermeasures”.

But it was thanks to people like David Martin, Whitney Webb, Sasha Latypova, Katherine Watt and Karen Kingston that we can now imagine how deep the rabbit hole goes.

Take a look into some of their substack pieces before you go after the “last cog in the wheel” who never said he “invented” anything, just “hypothesized” publicly about mRNA killshot that DARPA was developing in secret at the time.

https://open.substack.com/pub/sashalatypova/p/deliberate-deployment-of-bio-chemical/

https://karenkingston.substack.com/p/the-term-mrna-vaccines-is-a-sham

https://open.substack.com/pub/bailiwicknews/p/american-domestic-bioterrorism-program/

https://open.substack.com/pub/bailiwicknews/p/notice-of-war-crimes-to-health-care/

https://open.substack.com/pub/karenkingston/p/its-time-to-let-the-sars-cov-2-lab/

https://rumble.com/v28t4g0-military-countermeasures-with-sasha-latypova-and-katherine-watt-msom-ep.-67.html

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Exactly and David Martin's latest addresses the origin of the "virus" and it's not Wuhan; he offers meticulous and irrefutable evidence that the experiments(illegal) were being done in labs at the University of North Carolina at Chape Hill; the WIV1 was engineered from an infectious clone and had no natural origin; David Martin shows the evidence in wriiten documents revealing published admissions that point directly to an intentional RELEASE of the "virus" designed to be a respiratory pathogen; the lab work was continued after being sent to Wuhan because such experiments were illegal under US law; quite right that "the right questions and investigations are not being done" by members of Congress,etc. because the political cost would be too high to admit responsibility and expose the collusion that has existed from politicians and government alike; as it is the criminal conspiracy will continue because there are far too many benefitting and have their careers tied to what can rightly be called racketeering crimes.

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I agree with you, my friend, about Dr David Martin. He is a top-notch Intelligence Analyst with solid scientific, medical and operational research background. He’s been on top of the Game from Day One, and had formulated the legal and institutional framework for Indictments against the “visible” perpetrators (Fauci, Baric, Dazak, CDC, FDA) since April 2020. But like the heroic Dr Zev Zelenko, or Dr Atlas, David Martin was sidelined and marginalized by the neocon gangsters (like Pompeo and Fauci) in the Trump administration until the Pentagon’s Warp Speed “countermeasures” transitioned from Stage 1 (“pandemic”) to Stage 2 (“vaccine”).

By then, all sorts of “repentant” fully-vaccinated Medical Freedom “fighters” were ready-trained to hijack the movement, and turn it from STOP THE KILLSHOT NOW to LET’S CONVINCE CDC/FDA/EMA THEY WERE WRONG (“until proven otherwise”).

First thing this crowd of rising social media stars did, was to ban the word “Bioweapon” from their vocabulary, until Dr Peter McCollough rediscovered it two months ago to fend off a barrage of attacks against his career and medical license.

His mere mention of DARPA (at a conference with “latecomer” Aseem Malhotra) miraculously silenced his rabid Medical Board opponents. And then money started pouring in to his Welcom initiative. Thankfully, by then, Sasha Latypova Karen Kingston and Katherine Watt had taken the lead in exposing the DARPA-DOD-China collusion in the “release” of both SARS-CoV2 AND the genocidal “vaccine”.

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Very well stated!

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EPOCH Times has an excellent timeline poster of all this going back decades

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Here’s a link to David Martin’s latest: https://twitter.com/monkeyking67/status/1630326934537408514?s=20

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Dr Malone is very much cognizant of the design of the mRNA technology and why he chose not to, at the very least, question his colleagues for not being truthful with us. That’s a justified curiosity.

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Very, very nicely put but I'm doubting that Dr. Alexander will do any heavy lifting on this. Why would he?

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This seems reasonable and appropriate.

While Dr. Malone's efforts and contributions to the freedom movement should be duly noted, as you have done, his historical ties with the government, be they the DoD or wherever, should also be interrogated. Indeed, as he is one of the key voices leading the charge for transparency, and for all the reasons you mention, as well as for consistency, it is perfectly reasonable to ask Dr. Malone to provide the same.

Now, speaking of consistency, please apply the same public spot light and scrutiny to President Trump, including his role in lockdowns, Warp Speed, and the rationale for his steadfast support for the bioweapons all this time.

Thank you!

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He HAS written articles asking Trump to begin talking about being lied to, et al. On MANY occasions. You read here, right?

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Yes, I do read here.

Sorry, but the standard Dr. Alexander is holding President Trump to is not remotely comparable to that which he is quite reasonably applying to Dr. Malone above. With respect, and I swear I mean that, I can see the same kid gloves language in your own comment. Why does Trump need to be "asked" and why, when he is still so steadfastly supportive of the bioweapons, is the presumption automatically that he was merely lied to and that that accounts for everything, even at this late stage?

I have seen Dr. Alexander try to bring Trump around, and credit to him for that. But I have not seen him apply genuine scrutiny to the former President or to challenge him as he is challenging Malone. I have also seen plenty from Dr. Alexander that encourages us to overlook these major concerns and support Trump in spite of them.

I write these things as an erstwhile supporter who is looking for answers. Atb.

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Yes, it’s way past time for President Trump to face the reality of this “bioweapon” and speak to the devastation it has caused!

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The difference is Malone knows everything there is to know about what Dr. Paul is asking. Trump knew and knows NOTHING about ANY of it. He desperately needs a way forward. They're now, all of a sudden, shoving "lab leak" at us. Trump may be waiting for the moment when North Carolina appears on the horizon. Then he can speak to it.

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Dr.David Martin has just made North Carolina appear on the horizon! his latest expose reveals that the WIV1 "virus" did not originate in Wuhan but at the University of North Carolina at Chape Hill where it was engineered from an infectious clone; THERE WAS NO NATURAL ORIGIN! Martin provides irrefutable evidence in published admissions that show that there was an INTENTIONAL RELEASE of the "virus" as a respiratory pathogen to attack humans; Wuhan became involved when such experiments were transferred there because they were being illegally done in the U.S.

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That was a video every citizen of every nation should be watching and sharing with everyone they know. Until more people are made aware of the irrefutable truth Dr David Martin laid out for us and until more people get pissed, I have serious concerns about the likelihood of our freedom-less future.

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Well said!

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Well, for some of us, North Carolina has been on the horizon all along.

But I'm glad it's getting more attention.

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Thumbs up for Mark Robinson though. 👍🏻

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Yes. I saw that video last night. 👍🏻

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Again, and I'm sorry, this is apologist language, not the language of a genuine inquisitor who is trying to be objective.

Until proven otherwise, I understand that Dr. Malone's name is on approximately nine of the original mRNA related vaccine patents. That point notwithstanding, of the two, it is President Trump whose role in the Covid 'pandemic' was most consequential... and in my opinion, this is true by a very wide margin.

Full transparency should be demanded everywhere.

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"in your opinion" - and that's not apologist language? So how is stating your "opinion" any different from what I'm doing?

I have said before - many times in comments here and elsewhere - that Trump should have used the MOMENT that the Ferguson model was outed as fraudulent as his cue to shut it all down. Can the lockdown, demote Fauci/Birx, and put in place a team to push therapeutics. All while "waiting" for the "comfort" of the shot. It could have been juggled, and had this been done many people would have been saved, and many would have been awakened to the fact that they didn't need a shot in the first place.

That being said, when North Carolina becomes the real news, Trump will be able to speak. That's my hope anyway.

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That will be a pivotal moment and it will take every shred of humility Trump has ever had to admit he was also conned to the citizens that deserve honesty for a change. It’ll speak volumes if Trump doesn’t humble himself and choose to be forthcoming about his side. I worry his ego may prevent it, going by how much accolades he still gives himself in regards to the 💉 he seems to believe has saved so many, instead of what it has really done...

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With respect, I wrote an article about Trump and the GOP's direction during Covid and will be glad to send it if you wish.

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You are only hurting your own credibility and the cause of the movement toward the truth of the matter. I have followed Malone, you and Peter Breggin and many rabbit holes since then. Why would he be subjected to a grilling from someone whose intentions did not seem honourable. This is the same as Alex Berenson's stupidity saying Malone was not instrumental in the mRNA technology. Since 2000 and before, many greedy exploitive scientist have created numerous functional "bugs" (HIV, Zika etc) and Pharma goes on to fund and find cures for. You might as well say the inventor of the PCR test is responsible for all of this.

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Malone never said a mRNA "vaxxx" was ready for human use. The idea merely came to him as the immune system was interfering with his genetic therapy experiments. He did some experiments about how an mRNA vaxxx might be possible. He also admits he initially thought others had brought his idea to fruition, but then realized they had not, recognizing the destruction the vaxxx was likely to bring..

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Dr Alexander, I have some respect for you, but I'm losing it rapidly. I bought your book, I read many of your posts, I agree with you on most things, but it looks as if you are not at all listening to what Dr Malone has been saying or writing for a long time. You actually come across as ignorant. If there is a controlled opposition you look more and more like it. I've read what Breggins said about Dr Malone. It was inflammatory but more importantly without any real evidence. In Malone's shoes i would have sued the hell out of Breggins as well. Moreover, after listening to an interview of him about Malone, I found Breggins to be arrogant. I do not fully agree with everything Desmet has been saying in his book, but to attack Desmet and Malone on what is, on the whole, very scanty evidence, looks like an unwarranted and relentless persecution. Show real proofs or shut up.

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Evidence is very good that Desmet is peddling pseudoscience. https://jimreagen.substack.com/p/on-the-psychology-of-totalitarianism

Breggin was right to call him out for it.

Who is perhaps the number one person whom pharma would like to muzzle, someone who's been a thorn in their side well before Malone came on the scene? Breggin. And who is delivering a decisive blow to Breggin? Coincidence?

How unlucky for Breggin that "our team" would be the one to do pharma's work for them.

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I'm actually a clinical psychologist and I agree with Dr. Breggin's assessment of Desmet. In my view, people have been brainwashed by the media--it's been going on for decades and there's no need to invoke fancy theories about it.

And I also find it suspicious that Desmet denies there is a conspiracy against us:

https://www.americaoutloud.com/mass-formation-and-mass-psychosis-a-false-and-dangerous-concept-that-threatens-our-freedom/

Desmet writes that people who look for the leadership and planning behind the oppression are suffering from “conspiracy thinking.” They are afflicted with severe “anxiety,” “confusion,” and bewilderment” and have a “need” to blame the “supposed ‘elite’” to escape from their own personal problems (pp. 127-128).

In his book, Desmet attacks anyone who considers the possibility that there may be villains who are making plans to exploit and dominate the “masses” whom he blames for creating their own problems. Desmet writes that people who look for the leadership and planning behind the oppression are suffering from “conspiracy thinking.” They are afflicted with severe “anxiety,” “confusion,” and bewilderment” and have a “need” to blame the “supposed ‘elite’” to escape from their own personal problems (pp. 127-128).

Desmet is using name-calling and psychobabble to undermine and discredit researchers, scientists, and thoughtful citizens who examine what is going on beneath the surface with COVID-19 and the growing worldwide totalitarianism. This is a serious assault on anyone who dares study the origins of the oppression being inflicted on us.

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I couldn't have said it better.

The odd thing is that Desmet says what he says-- it's right there in black and white-- and yet people aren't seeing it. This may be because he's been heavily promoted by trusted sources. Why??

Desmet is against mechanistic thinking but notice that his book lays out a clear and distinct mechanism for mass formation that arises from within the people themselves. He has to do this mechanistic analysis because his real project, I believe, is laid out in chapter 8, wherein he takes great pains to demonstrate there was no conspiracy: it was all simply a mechanical unfolding of forces within society. Mass formation wasn't induced deliberately.

Oh yes, it was. Desmet book provides cover for the conspirators and as Sandra pointed out (and the Breggins have, too) it also justifies psychological measures to handle those unbalanced souls who venture into conspiracy theory. That idea might come in handy once CBDCs are in place along with our digital IDs, when those who might disrupt "the greater good" will need to be dealt with.

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"Desmet book provides cover for the conspirators" Exactly!!! I honestly don't know why people aren't seeing it, maybe willful ignorance, or maybe like you said, since he's so heavily promoted by trusted sources, nobody questions. I've been awake for a while, so I've seen how they infiltrate and hijack truther movements.

And since you mention the digital IDs and CBDCs, it looks like the Pentagon (ground broken 9/11/41--obviously a favorite date for our rulers) is working on some kind of "zero trust" policy for the internet, so that we would have to have digital IDs by 2027 to access the internet:

https://www.technocracy.news/the-pentagon-creates-road-map-for-zero-trust-internet-access-by-2027/

"TN has examined this topic in detail several times. Ultimately, the only people who will be able to hop on the Internet, regardless of the entry point (5G, 6G, fiber optic, private of public WiFi) will first have to be definitively identified. This will require a personal, registered ID comparable to an electronic passport. No digital ID? You don’t use the Internet. Got ID? Every activity is tracked, catalogued and saved. The military is paving the way for this"

Given how the US govt works, I'm assuming we will be getting lots of false flag cyber attacks to manufacture consent and get the masses agreeing that we need digital IDs to be safe (sheep!!)

I honestly don't know how we can make this stop. Right now, all I'm trying to do is spread the word and increase awareness, so people know the agenda and don't fall for their psyops. But I do think we need a new political party--we have no representation in this country. Both parties are captured. Except for a handful in Congress, nobody is speaking against the CBDCs.

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An illuminating comment!

It's going to take the people waking up to stop this.

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from my point of view:

a person has to be under some psychosis or mental defect to accept this, and since it is so many of them, it is mass.

look at that, they all believe it.

and those that believe it... after they get covid, they say to themselves it would be much WORST if they never got the jabs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MntqzdaYTcA

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People were, and are, told what to think by what they see as "trusted authorities."

I think the prime example of this is NPR and PBS news. As a long-time listener and watcher, this has become clear to me. Take NPR. I call what they do "cooing" at their listeners: calm voices rarely rise, soothing, taking the position that they're in the know and are the rational ones, telling us what's baseless and what's misinformation. These folks are the ones living right next door to the intellectually sophisticated leftists, and I live among sophisticated leftists so I know what that's like. NPR folks fit in perfectly.

I've been there. I used to believe virtually everything NPR told me. Until, that is, I researched climate change and discovered that CO2 catastrophe is pure fiction. Yet NPR doesn't waver from the settled science: their job is to tell us what to think, and people believe them.

If people are under psychosis, it's because NPR and other sources tell them what to think. It's very sophisticated propaganda. The liberal media is in lockstep about what to think about Covid and climate change, etc.

A mass formation might be created, yes, but the key question is, did this mass formation arise from within the people themselves (Desmet) or was it induced deliberately? I believe that the liberal groupthink is deliberately induced and its primary tool is the vicious and unrelenting censorship of opposing views, and in this they have the backing of government authorities.

The good nature and care and concern of people on the left are being weaponized against them and against the good people of this country. Propaganda is how this is done.

Censorship is the beginning of tyranny. The people under the spell need to wake up to the fact that they're being lied to.

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Your link is exactly the propaganda I'm talking about.

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It’s the old bullies’ standby: blame the victim (trope) while they’re perpetrating the crimes. Being the scapegoat in my FOO, I see right through it. Thank you for the validation.

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we are dealing with a multifaceted threat, the rise of a global tyranny. I agree that Desmet overlooks the question. But he addresses a very important fact, that this tyranny could never come about if the people were not so brainwashed. It is precisely this mass formation that enables totalitarianism. To impute evil intent to Desmet is going to far imo.

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I never imputed evil to Desmet, although I suspect he was put up to saying what he says in order to provide cover, and was rewarded with very heavy promotion of his theory. But this is speculation. The other alternative is that he's a sloppy theorist.

This tyranny is due not to the brainwashed masses, but to the massive propaganda/censorship campaign that leads to brainwashed masses, who for the most part don't have the time or inclination to do the research that some of us do. The masses trust the authorities who have been lying to them. The core problem isn't the masses but the lying. Yet Desmet claims that we did it to ourselves and there was no conspiracy.

I'd argue that the very first part of tyranny is censorship. Without censorship of opposing views, tyranny can't arise. That's why the censorship of Breggin through the mechanism of a lawsuit is so disturbing.

Are the people in China under 'mass formation'? I doubt it, at least as defined by Desmet. But they're nevertheless under a totalitarian regime that engages in extensive censorship and surveillance. Totalitarianism doesn't require mass formation at all; all it requires is censorship, surveillance, and enforcement. We could own nothing and be happy so long as we do as we're told, in a totalitarianism that would be a "soft" totalitarianism akin to the Chinese system. Desmet says virtually nothing about this type of totalitarianism and instead focuses on a society saturated by fear.

Who induced the fear during Covid? Those are the conspirators that Desmet ignores.

Malone is a smart man. Breggin and others alerted us to what Desmet is doing, yet still Malone doesn't see it or goes along with it, reinforcing the idea that mass formation arises naturally from a mechanistic-thinking society, which on the whole we are not.

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Well said, once again,Jim!

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Is this the comment you were shouting about being deleted? SMH

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I really appreciate your directness here. I share your questions and frustrations. Yes, let's clear it all up. Thank you.

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This is a huge waste of time and energy. Very very strange.

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Given Malone's self-described knowledge and experience and this co-authored paper you cite it is very hard to believe that he got the vaxxx twice!

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I really hate to see this, Paul.

I really do.

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Questions being asked? Controlled opposition in Psy Ops is common.

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I'm ALL for questions being asked! I think we all are.

I'm against airing personal grievances on a public forum. If these two cannot play nice I have lost all hope. They do no have to agree on every point. They need only play nice.

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So, Malone should have worked it out discreetly with the Breggins, instead of trying to Alex Jones them. Right?

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well, Dr Breggins may find himself in the same spot that Alex Jones has with loosing a lawsuit.

assuming there is still a lawsuit.

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He did try.

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We are at war.

There is no nice in war.

We need warriors like Dr.

Alexander to sort through the Intelligence of the enemy whomever they may be or how ever well disguised they may be.

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We know you have a big axe to grind with Malone. Most of us that follow you have also been following Malone from the beginning. Just because Malone worked on this technology 30 years ago does not make him the enemy and he does not need to defend himself against you. You know how technology is developed and that it builds based on prior research. The fact that he did research 30 years ago on the technology does not mean he has the magic solution on how one is to rid themselves of the damage. It's not a big deal to me that he wants to claim that he did early research on mRNA. You want to continue making Malone the bad guy and I do not see the purpose.

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Here's an idea, Paul. Let individuals decide re: Malone ON THEIR OWN! Without influence. Without noise.

We got into this fucking mess because critical thinking was replaced by influence and noise.

Don't be a part of the problem, Paul.

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Kick his ass and Trump's' too. My friend lost her daughter, who was 13 years old, due to the Trump/Biden/Malon jab, She was buried Aug 2021. My aeronautics lawyer died two weeks after the injection. My lovely lady's best friend passed away three months after the injection. Four other deaths by jab have died between 3-7 months after injection.

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So sorry for your loss.

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I'm not sure I follow your line of reasoning. Without knowing the ingredients which is hidden how is the inventor of the delivery platform able to figure out how to "reverse" the damage? Thats like accusing the inventor of the hypodermic needle to reverse a poison concoction which was delivered by the needle? Unless I'm missing some insider backfighting this doesn't add up. If he was controlled opposition, with a massive ego, he would've hid this info for 6-12 months and then came out on top as the man who saved civilization by "solving the problem" Unless you are saying he's part of the cabal who demands the vax be stopped but somehow is so deep he knows the vax won't be stopped and therefore he's like a double secret agent. This sounds petty to me. We don't really have time, or energy to f around with this. Vax injured are dying, committing suicide WHO wants to strip our rights away from us and our own govt is working against us.

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Hi Paul,

What's your end-game?

- prove he's a money grubbing fraud?

- show him up?

- prove he's a charlatan?

- beat him up on a live show?

Are you still smarting because of what he said about you?

So what, who cares what Malone says.

I worked in the creative industry when I took a few years out of law, and the people in that industry were juvenile back stabbers. I ignored everything, put my head down and worked. My work got noticed.

If the alternative media is also a cesspit - and we all know it is - then what will you achieve by going to blows with Malone?

You will only come off 2nd best and lend credence to his nasty and unjustified critique of you.

You're better than this.

Cool off, put your head down and work.

Malone will be revealed/he won't.

What the fuck do you care anyway?

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I dont. There are serious questions. He has criticized McCullough, Risch, me etc. for he envies us. I think. I cant see other reasons. Why? Maybe our honesty, maybe our skills, who knows. who really knows but his mRNA technology as he says, has killed many, millions maybe.

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Continue to be bold and ask questions.

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McCollough proved to be far more honest, articulate and authoritative than any of the “repentant” doubly-vaccinated latecomers in the Medical Freedom Movement. He had the courage to resurrect the term “Bioweapon” which most of them had scrubbed from their vocabulary. Not only that. Two months ago, (at a conference with Aseem Malhotra), Dr Peter McCullough named DARPA as the power behind the scenes in the whole Pandemic/Vaccine Agenda at least since 2012.

That was enough to silence his rabid detractors at the Medical Boards, but didn’t go down well with the “LET’S CONVINCE FDA THEIR EUA WAS WRONG” crown of Dr Malone, Steve Kirsch et.al. who saw no “smoking gun” in the Pentagon “countermeasures” steamroller.

STOP THE BIOWEAPON ATTACK ON HUMANITY NOW is all that matters. Let’s unite under this banner and all is forgiven!

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Agree. But just a few days ago....Dr. Malone maintained that what has transpired is the “evil spirit f banality” and he sees no evidence of malicious intent to harm.

Problem I have with that....as a non-medical person, even I saw problems from the beginning particularly with claiming that the shot was “safe and effective” for everyone including those with autoimmune disease. They never even tested it o people with those profiles. What more evidence do you need?

In law, one can infer malicious intent from reckless disregard. The reckless disregard cannot he explained away due to the pandemic. They literally experimented on people, knowing better. Could it have to do with the fact that this magic technology so many had invested in because they believed it would “revolutionize medicine” were frustrated by the inability to get it through clinical trials? Seriously, just look at the history of Moderna. So....now they used the global population as their laboratory and now are looking to find ways to gather all the invaluable data that likely can be wrought from their grand scheme. It’s gross. My opinion is they knew. They knew enough to know what they didn’t know and they went ahead me made representations around safety and efficacy that were designed to get people to rely on those representations. That’s the definition that of fraud.

There is an old adage....figures lie and liars figure. That about sums it up.

Data is the new gold. They will soon be converting the markets over to digital currency. Social impact markets will run on the public/private partnerships birthed from the our ailing representative democracy reliance upon the predatory philanthropists and fin/tech elite. Talk about special interests dictating politics. Think of it like a coup whereby the fin/tech elite are firmly putting themselves in the driver’s seat. Sadly, most are all caught up in the ideas around efficiency and convenience that they do not see the digital prison being erected on several fronts.

whereby we will be expected to play ball---commodities to be managed in pursuit of their utopia. For the masses it will be mediocrity and an expectation that we will be content to be a part of the whole---workers for their tech an

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Stop the bioweapon, yes. Forgiven? Not a chance.

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Something he developed 30 years ago, as if he could fully understand the implications or as if he never repented. you really sound like an idiot.

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So name-calling is the best you've got?

You MIGHT possibly have a point had Malone done this work 30 years ago, then proceeded to leave that career behind and pursue a completely DIFFERENT sort of endeavor. We both know this isn't the case. He's watched everything happen over those years, from the inside. Enough already, he needs to weigh in.

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In my opinion he has, and on multiple occasions. We need proofs. Not willing to answer questions if it's the case is not enough to declare someone guilty.

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It does make one wonder why he won't answer questions, though!

Could he actually be part of the problem? Maybe, maybe not. But, he could certainly set the record straight by answering some more questions. Wouldn't you?

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Exactly. Especially since he's everywhere, all the time.

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I've lost six people to the Trump/Biden/Malon jab, and questions must be asked regardless of who they may be. Let's find out as much as possible.

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"I'm not upset that you lied to me, I'm upset that from now on I can't believe you".

Friedrich Nietzsche.

2023 Barry Varkel version:

"I have no idea how to differentiate between fact and fiction. So just tell me a really good story, so I can drop my trousers and be entertained".

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In reading the comments below I dare say that you, too, Dr. Alexander initially was also duped by the "Public health doctors" surrounding Trump. Let's try to remember who the enemies are here!!

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