in hamsters, characterized by patchy inflammation interspersed in alveolar regions, not observed in BA.5-infected hamsters. BA.2.75 replicated better than BA.5 in the lungs of hamsters.
I think he didn't rule out the possibility that the virus might become intrinsically more virulent (i.e. also for the unjabbed) as a response to the immune pressure on virulence from the vaccinal antibodies.
The hamsters in the tests are 'unjabbed', but they also have no prior exposure.
Geert was fairly adamant that this type of mutation would be inevitable - more infectious AND more virulent (taking hold deeper in the respiratory tract.
That it would be comparatively more virulent for all, but the greatest problem would be for the vaccinated - due to their vaccinal antibody response. Those unjabbed - with no prior exposure - would have a broader immune response through their natural immune system. Those unjabbed, but with naturally acquired immunity, would typically have the most robust immune response.
The pathogen is the same for all categories of host. It is the immune response that will determine the degree of disease. With jab, prior exposure, and age (development stage of adaptive immunity) being key factors in how people cope with the more virulent strain.
India and Nepal has about 60% of population jabbed. I wonder why this new variant is not ‘spreading fast’ in countries where 80% of population is jabbed (to consider Selection Pressure by vaccinal antibodies).
Also, good timing with new bi-valent mRNAs approval.
how much is known (or strongly suspected, with some level of confidence) about the risks unjabbed people have, relative to the multiple-jabbed?
I'm not a scientist, so when you publish articles like this, it would be helpful to put in some clear messaging about whether or not we the unjabbed should be wary and take extra precautions (beyond what we already are doing), or if this threat is mainly, as far as you can tell, to the people with VAIDS.
Great question! I got the dreaded Delta back in October and it was bad. I am unvaxxed and will stay that way. My immunity was extremely high afterwards as my son got Covid at the end of December and I didn't catch it again even though we hugged and shared food prior to realizing he was sick. He ended up quite sick too. One thing I'd recommend is the nasal iodine sprays that have been recommended by doctors against the shots. It kills viruses-including covid up to 8 hours and stops replication. I use it any time I go out and am around people. So far so good. Of course keeping up with supplements (C, D3, Zinc, NAC, etc. is always a good idea even if covid isn't around!) I think the biggest takeaway should be, do what you can to stay healthy but don't live in fear.
Thank you -- I hadn't seen that before. That is from January, and it is reassuring advice I have been following.... yet, I would now also welcome Geert or someone like him weighing in on some of these new variants, with respect to risk to people who are unjabbed.
"However, I keep saying that the unvaccinated should now less and less worry about their health. Provided they were gradually increasing their contacts, their innate immune system should be well trained by now. Training will only pay off provided you’re in good health and you respect the rules (!) of a healthy lifestyle (which should be well known by now)." Geert Vanden Bossche
Wishful thinking from what I have seen. DANGEROUS FOR THE HIGH RISK from what I have seen.
The only example of this idea actually working in real life, from what I have seen, is the example of Dr. Darrell DeMello who introduced covid early treatment to India in early 2020 . He took D3 to maintain his blood test levels in the 90 nm/ml. range ( 60 to 90 recommended). He occasionally took HCQ and 12 mg Ivermectin in the beginning after a perceived high exposure and regularly used low dose colchicine according to a protocol that included periods of no use and short term higher use - as a prophylaxis to suppress inflammation and clotting. His practice treated 1,000's via tele-medicine, and he treated patients daily in office and with house calls. He regularly tested his antibodies to covid which increased to high levels over time without him ever having symptoms of covid-19.
DR DEMELLO ALWAYS WORE A PROFESSIONAL GRADE MASK SUCH AS A 3M N95. Dr Zelenko tried to do his version WITHOUT MASK and was hospitalized with severe covid-19, only surviving with heroic real medical care
The point being people at high risk from covid infection, "shot" or not "shot"can not go around "training" their immune system by hoping to just get a bit of training virus here or there. The can not rely only on prophilxas and they can not rely only on high quality masks.
I Am a great admirer of Dr Zelenko. I checked preprints.org daily for his study and was the seventh person in the world to download it, which I forwarded to journalists, media, and others thinking I could help a bit before realizing the extent of the "fix" that was "in". Dr. Zelenko was the first I found with a through explaination of the "fix that was in"
I’m not even slightly concerned. I would never even consider the jab. I protect myself by “medical distancing.” I make sure I stay at least six feet away from any bogus “covid” “PCR test.” My immune system is hungry and would relish a nice covid meal but can’t seem to find one! Milking “covid” is an industry created by people getting paid to cry “wolf.” It’s a scam guaranteed to make you sick and progressively sicker the more you buy in, so don’t buy in unless you want to be sick. Let’s use our powers of scrutiny on the actual agents of the disease, not the “covid.”
Why the obsessive tracking of every variant? Is this normal scientific behaviour, just thrust into the limelight by Covid obsession? Also, as the un-jabbed, who have been exposed to Covid, will have developed multiple B and T cell resistance to the viral capsule rather than just the "spike de jour", won't that provide natural immunity anyway, unless the viral capsule mutates wildly?
Yes, the first time I heard Geert VDB he said that because of the way the immune system operates, once it learns one corona version it’s defense is good for all variants because the variation will not be that big of a jump. He said there would be a new variation every 11 minutes!
I am wondering if the phenomenon of creation of a “superbug” has a reverse. You have created two populations, vaxxed and unvaxxed. Vaxxed have weakened immune systems. Will that not create a situation in which “the virus” has an easy road in the vaxxed? And as it moves in the direction of least resistance among the vaxxed will it not become itself softer and weaker as it specializes towards the “easy pickings” found among the vaxxed? Would this not tend to create “Whimpy Viruses” that pose less and less risk to the unvaccinated?
A possible evolutionary trajectory, driven by ADE (antibody dependent enhancement) but only after first becoming relatively more virulent for all - with the jabbed faring worst.
Just sayin'... unjabbed here. Never had C0v to my knowledge (!)... I was having difficulty taking a deep breath for 3 weeks. No coughing. I thought it was early hayfever, and the hot flashes due to menopause... and antihistamines didn't do much. I kept taking my supplements. Home test for Cov tested negative. I had an azithromicin antibiotic -human prespcription as preventive for my cats-. Well, I used it on myself (no I won't go see a doctor - my vet has been more compassionate) and on day 5 I feel much better, Almost no hot flashes too. Go figure... I will upgrade my supplement regimen to pull through 100%.
And if BA.2.75 turns out to be a false alarm... there is concern that the new untested bivalent vax will possibly lead to more virulent variants. I can't quite believe how stupid the world has become.
Does it makes sense to keel calling them Omicron? I mean, why are they subvariants of omicron and delta was not a subvariant of the previous one?
I am suspoicious that they want to keep the name omicron as a commercial strategy to sell omicron shots although the virus is already differemt
Excellent point!
Scary stuff, seems like Geert is going to be right again.
Geert was referring to the jabbed, correct?
I think he didn't rule out the possibility that the virus might become intrinsically more virulent (i.e. also for the unjabbed) as a response to the immune pressure on virulence from the vaccinal antibodies.
My understanding is:
The hamsters in the tests are 'unjabbed', but they also have no prior exposure.
Geert was fairly adamant that this type of mutation would be inevitable - more infectious AND more virulent (taking hold deeper in the respiratory tract.
That it would be comparatively more virulent for all, but the greatest problem would be for the vaccinated - due to their vaccinal antibody response. Those unjabbed - with no prior exposure - would have a broader immune response through their natural immune system. Those unjabbed, but with naturally acquired immunity, would typically have the most robust immune response.
The pathogen is the same for all categories of host. It is the immune response that will determine the degree of disease. With jab, prior exposure, and age (development stage of adaptive immunity) being key factors in how people cope with the more virulent strain.
India and Nepal has about 60% of population jabbed. I wonder why this new variant is not ‘spreading fast’ in countries where 80% of population is jabbed (to consider Selection Pressure by vaccinal antibodies).
Also, good timing with new bi-valent mRNAs approval.
I'll rely on my unjabbed natural immunity post covid to help me fight these fu$%ers.
Isn’t this exactly what you and Geert have been warning about?
how much is known (or strongly suspected, with some level of confidence) about the risks unjabbed people have, relative to the multiple-jabbed?
I'm not a scientist, so when you publish articles like this, it would be helpful to put in some clear messaging about whether or not we the unjabbed should be wary and take extra precautions (beyond what we already are doing), or if this threat is mainly, as far as you can tell, to the people with VAIDS.
Thank you.
Great question! I got the dreaded Delta back in October and it was bad. I am unvaxxed and will stay that way. My immunity was extremely high afterwards as my son got Covid at the end of December and I didn't catch it again even though we hugged and shared food prior to realizing he was sick. He ended up quite sick too. One thing I'd recommend is the nasal iodine sprays that have been recommended by doctors against the shots. It kills viruses-including covid up to 8 hours and stops replication. I use it any time I go out and am around people. So far so good. Of course keeping up with supplements (C, D3, Zinc, NAC, etc. is always a good idea even if covid isn't around!) I think the biggest takeaway should be, do what you can to stay healthy but don't live in fear.
https://voiceforscienceandsolidarity.substack.com/p/q-and-a-10-unvaccinated-and-fearless
Thank you -- I hadn't seen that before. That is from January, and it is reassuring advice I have been following.... yet, I would now also welcome Geert or someone like him weighing in on some of these new variants, with respect to risk to people who are unjabbed.
He most certainly will
Refer to his blog on his website (.org) for updates.
"However, I keep saying that the unvaccinated should now less and less worry about their health. Provided they were gradually increasing their contacts, their innate immune system should be well trained by now. Training will only pay off provided you’re in good health and you respect the rules (!) of a healthy lifestyle (which should be well known by now)." Geert Vanden Bossche
Wishful thinking from what I have seen. DANGEROUS FOR THE HIGH RISK from what I have seen.
The only example of this idea actually working in real life, from what I have seen, is the example of Dr. Darrell DeMello who introduced covid early treatment to India in early 2020 . He took D3 to maintain his blood test levels in the 90 nm/ml. range ( 60 to 90 recommended). He occasionally took HCQ and 12 mg Ivermectin in the beginning after a perceived high exposure and regularly used low dose colchicine according to a protocol that included periods of no use and short term higher use - as a prophylaxis to suppress inflammation and clotting. His practice treated 1,000's via tele-medicine, and he treated patients daily in office and with house calls. He regularly tested his antibodies to covid which increased to high levels over time without him ever having symptoms of covid-19.
DR DEMELLO ALWAYS WORE A PROFESSIONAL GRADE MASK SUCH AS A 3M N95. Dr Zelenko tried to do his version WITHOUT MASK and was hospitalized with severe covid-19, only surviving with heroic real medical care
Dr Zelenko was also fighting a cancer that eventually took his life.
Yes. He fought quite a fight in this life
The point being people at high risk from covid infection, "shot" or not "shot"can not go around "training" their immune system by hoping to just get a bit of training virus here or there. The can not rely only on prophilxas and they can not rely only on high quality masks.
I Am a great admirer of Dr Zelenko. I checked preprints.org daily for his study and was the seventh person in the world to download it, which I forwarded to journalists, media, and others thinking I could help a bit before realizing the extent of the "fix" that was "in". Dr. Zelenko was the first I found with a through explaination of the "fix that was in"
Agree!
And we know the next deadly outbreak will be blamed on the unvaxxed for being the cause of new variants.
Interesting that this variant is in India, where least vaxxed and Rx with ivm etc
Paging Dr Vanden Bossche...
I’m not even slightly concerned. I would never even consider the jab. I protect myself by “medical distancing.” I make sure I stay at least six feet away from any bogus “covid” “PCR test.” My immune system is hungry and would relish a nice covid meal but can’t seem to find one! Milking “covid” is an industry created by people getting paid to cry “wolf.” It’s a scam guaranteed to make you sick and progressively sicker the more you buy in, so don’t buy in unless you want to be sick. Let’s use our powers of scrutiny on the actual agents of the disease, not the “covid.”
Why the obsessive tracking of every variant? Is this normal scientific behaviour, just thrust into the limelight by Covid obsession? Also, as the un-jabbed, who have been exposed to Covid, will have developed multiple B and T cell resistance to the viral capsule rather than just the "spike de jour", won't that provide natural immunity anyway, unless the viral capsule mutates wildly?
Yes, the first time I heard Geert VDB he said that because of the way the immune system operates, once it learns one corona version it’s defense is good for all variants because the variation will not be that big of a jump. He said there would be a new variation every 11 minutes!
I am wondering if the phenomenon of creation of a “superbug” has a reverse. You have created two populations, vaxxed and unvaxxed. Vaxxed have weakened immune systems. Will that not create a situation in which “the virus” has an easy road in the vaxxed? And as it moves in the direction of least resistance among the vaxxed will it not become itself softer and weaker as it specializes towards the “easy pickings” found among the vaxxed? Would this not tend to create “Whimpy Viruses” that pose less and less risk to the unvaccinated?
A possible evolutionary trajectory, driven by ADE (antibody dependent enhancement) but only after first becoming relatively more virulent for all - with the jabbed faring worst.
Just sayin'... unjabbed here. Never had C0v to my knowledge (!)... I was having difficulty taking a deep breath for 3 weeks. No coughing. I thought it was early hayfever, and the hot flashes due to menopause... and antihistamines didn't do much. I kept taking my supplements. Home test for Cov tested negative. I had an azithromicin antibiotic -human prespcription as preventive for my cats-. Well, I used it on myself (no I won't go see a doctor - my vet has been more compassionate) and on day 5 I feel much better, Almost no hot flashes too. Go figure... I will upgrade my supplement regimen to pull through 100%.
Not good news.
"They" are going to prove Geert right, and then "Double Down" with even more deadly Omicron "variants."
It's what I would do if I were "them."
I posted on this 2 months ago - may be of interest:
https://2ndsmartestguyintheworld.substack.com/p/all-options-and-variants-are-in-play
So what you're saying is, here we go again?
And if BA.2.75 turns out to be a false alarm... there is concern that the new untested bivalent vax will possibly lead to more virulent variants. I can't quite believe how stupid the world has become.
Leaky vaxxcines gonna leak Doc.
The new (bivalent) jabs won't help against that one either.