IMO, just my opinion, this is very serious, Biden had no right to any classified documents, he was not POTUS, question is, was Obama in on this money laundering too, hence docs?
That’s what “book deals” and bogus Nobel Prizes are all about….$$$$. There’s a whole slew of “prizes” for public service that involve considerable $$$$ payments. IIRC, Fauci received one too.
When Biden blabbed about threatening to withold the $billion from Porchenko, unless the prosecutor was fired, he said he was acting with Obama's agent... you can call him
And as President, he still is under obama's orders. I believe that obama has been involved in this from his beginnings. Ever since he stepped on the stage, it has all looked like theater.
Biden stole those documents to cover up crimes. The same with fire the prosecutor or no billion. What’s in the documents? Show me Trumps and show me Biden’s…king for a king.
Be honest now. Trump had many boxes of documents and he was given a year to return them to the government and he refused, over and over again. Quite a different story than Biden having a handful of documents that he immediately turned over, He even had his lawyer searching and returning. That difference makes all the difference. If Trump wasn't such an obstructionist and cooperated it would not have been an issue and the public would not have even known about the situation. Trump is the author of his own misery so let's not look for ways to excuse his rotten, illegal behavior.
Tanya are you so blinded by your hatred of Trump (braindead) that you excuse Biden who was vice president in 2016 with no legal right to top secret docs and did not have the office in Penn state till 2017. Also the Chinese give millions to Penn state. Put it all together.
Removing them from the WH proves intent. Moving some to Delaware, and some to Penn Xiden Center, also proves intent.
Where ELSE might Xiden have put some Classified docs??? Like, maybe in the dozens & dozens of boxes of his supposedly Senate only related docs at the U of Delaware, which they utterly refuse to release or make public???
And, what's Old Barry Soeroro kept in his possession??? And, Killary and her pathetic husband...
Do you really believe it was only "a handful of documents"??? LOL. And, HE did not "immediately" turn them over - his staff, and former lawyer (at Penn Xiden, if I recall correctly) reported them as having been found/identified as Classified... As for "immediately" - do you really believe that, too??? Then you must believe he's actually had the real CONvid jabs... LOL. Sorry to seem mean, but seriously - wake up.
We do not agree. There is a great difference betw these 2 situations and I am not jumping to conclusions as you seem to be doing. FYI, "immediate" may mean a few days as Biden's lawyers reviewed and debated how to handle the find. But that is quite different than Trump flatly refusing to return the cartons for over a year no matter how many times he was asked to do that. There is no equivalency here so my words to you are Wake up and be real. even if you don't like it.
Trump was POTUS and thus has permission to declassify anything, and permission to have the documents in the first place. VP has neither. Trump complied with the requirements for storage at Mar-a-lago of whatever documents he had.
You dear are simply rabid. Rabid, coupled with selective indignation, and uninformed, is a bad combination.
You are quite mistaken about Trump's ability as POTUS to declassify anything at will. That was one of his untruths. As for you characterizations of me/my posts there is no indignation, just simply facts as we know them. Trump did not and would not return the many cartons of documents for at least a year regardless of how many times he was asked and told to do so. If anyone is rabid and disinformed here it certainly is not me.
AGAIN.........NO TRUMP CANNOT DECLASSIFY ANYTHING HE WANTS. This is NOT TRUE! I have worked in government (Canada though albeit different parameters) but this is not how the systems work in North America. In the end as I've stated earlier whatever was found was 99% likely cleared already-hence a DISTRACTION-to get tanya and yourself debating over a useless argument. Let' suppose they took classified documents-as EVERY sitting official has done within and OUTSIDE the rules-what THEN? What does this prove? That ALL OF THEM ARE FRAUDS AND CORRUPT?
What??? What did Trump reverse with respect to classifying documents, and how is this relevant towards either side? Are you stating Trump reversed Obama orders which would result based on his taking home of documents to incriminate himself? Please provide the coherence behind your rebuttal. What legislation and executive orders can you provide to affirm your position? What did Trump sign or Biden do to reverse the legal doctrines I've presented? Yeah NOTHING. As Steve Smith said "Ice Up son" You're out of your element but please prove me wrong and/or present a data/legal based argument rather than your emotions. Are you one of the FOOLS who is deluded that Biden or Trump cares about your welfare LOL???!!!
PS: Why else do you think that Trump was able to reverse so many of Obama's unconstitutional mandates? Constitutional attorney, Publius Huldah, published articles that said, and proved, many of Obama's EOs were constitutionally unenforceable, his EO 13526 was one of them.
Also explain to me how your virtuous hero was hanging out with Jeffrey Epstein having sex with young girls also. I really want to hear that as well and how they were friend for decades. I KNOW what he did and his ties. Let's go you want me to destroy your hero....I'm waiting
Reverse what? Please educate all of us as the expert legal scholar you are? Illustrate show us all the legal changes Trump and his reforms and how humanity benefited from his tenure.........let's go right now I'm WAIITNG............
You believe Donald Trump is a great savior? Based upon what exactly? Please tell and show us all how he "drained the swamp" as well. You feeble minded fools never cease to astonish me. You think TRUMP is with you? WOWWWWWW. idiots THE LOT OF YOU.
Thanx for this link. I read much of this document which appears to be very proscriptive about how to and how to undo classified documents. Undoing them has a very clear path to follow which tells me that the president cannot just take documents and casually decided they become unclassified especially if he, that very president was not the one who originally classified it. Further, of interest is the mandate that anyone who may come to create a classification must undergo a training at least 1x every year to maintain that authority. This clearly means that Trump or anyone else in authority cannot willy nilly declassify something when caught holding it illegally.
The document also notes the VP have every right to be an authorized person to classify or declassify documents as long as that person meets the requirements as spelled out.
So once again it seems that people who worship at the feet of Trump will not be able to hear anything that questions what this man says or does while at the same time will still continue trashing Obama who has been out of office now for over 6 yrs.
Thank Tanya. A lot of people don't seem to comprehend either that simply viewing, downloading, accessing documents leaves a digital footprint and is monitored. Flags are generated and in the instance of unauthorized or illegitimate access it's immediately flagged and investigated. Retrieving hard copies also is logged and documented. To print any documents is documented and monitored. You also can't just walk into the Archives room and pull out and make photocopies as the Archives and record keeping departments control and restrict access. Moreover, the lawyers/counsel will ALWAYS review and advise all of the officials-there are specialists assigned for these purposes to protect the government and the officials. Declassifying and classifying is also subjected to extensive reviews- let alone walking out the door with boxes of papers lol. Ultimately this is cosmetic theatre and a distraction as you know. I try to remain objective and appreciate you do the same.
Seriously? This was Obama's EO 13526! I'll go with the constitutional experts who say, with references in law, that Trump did not break any laws and had the right to classify the documents he held, and to declassify those that were, indeed, also under the law.
Are you so foolish and ignorant and ignore all evidence to retain a belief this is still an issue of Obama and Trump or Biden or Democrats versus Republicans?
Marlene, did I say Trump or Biden broke any classifications rules? Are you a legal and constitutional expert? Please cite some/any and their legal analysis because the "constitution" has no relevance nor bearing towards classified documents, Please share the legal expertise you have accumulated and posses and the barristers whom counter what I have stated I would like to discuss with them. Yeah super "seriously" what are your "references in law"?
Biden was only the Vice President. Trump was (and will again be) President of the United States. This is an insurmountable distinction for you foolish Biden apologists.
Boy are you projecting here. I have made no excuses for anyone just looking at the facts as we know them and not employing emotional biases. It seems to me that it is you that is very blinded by a belief system, a trust in someone who , questionably at best, has not earned that trust. And this has nothing to do with Biden or anyone else. I wish people with your thinking could understand there are more than 2 ways to see a situation. As for chrystal ball, can it tell me how garden will grow this year?
For real. I do not comprehend how people think Biden or Trump are on their "side" and so ardently defends them both, while they both lie, cheat steal and con the populace. The fact people believe ANY of them are on your side or care to represent you is the greatest travesty. Until you all recognize your "parties" do not represent YOU, then you are doomed to continue to replicate the same failures.
Please do not misinterpret me. I can't stand either Party or their presidents. We are not a democracy but a corporatist state; ie, fascist! We have a few rudiments of democracy left but only so long as they don't interfere with the corporate agenda. Civil liberties was a good game for buying the public and creating a well entitled middle class. On occasion we get a few people elected who actually want to do good for the people but lasts a short time until they get sucked into the political system as they learn the ropes. They cannot even see how they are losing their direction. The few actions to try and undo some of this have so far not been successfully won. We are getting much more diverse people elected which is a great thing but they do not enough power to really create change. Getting rid of Citizens United and having publicly funded elections with caps on spending is another necessary step. It works in places where it is done but they are few and far between. And given the world's gathering against US hegemony this country is getting increasingly more hysterical and it is the people who will pay no matter what side of the aisle they claim to support. I hope this brief note gives you a better understanding of my views.
I appreciate your reply Tanya. My personal take is the system itself is completely rotten and infiltrated Anyone, who may obtain a position of prominence is cast out if they don't tow the party line. As a resident of Canada, my friend Derek Sloan getting kicked out of the Conservative Party is a prime example. I'm into the concept of Parallel Polis right now, introduced by Vaclav Havel. If you haven't already I recommend yourself and everyone else examines this possibility and its application for us.
Will check out the concept of Parallel Polis and Vaclav Havel. Heard of Havel but not remembering what.
FYI, just read that in the UK a councillor spoke up in support of a man questioning the safety of these 'vaccine' and was removed. It seems disagreement, no matter grievous, gets a pass as we see in the US Congress as long as that person does not threaten the power structure.
I'm not. I'm simply pointing out they are probably both innocent or guilty according to the law. And whatever documents were found-have no impact on the citizenry in terms of nay actual investigations into criminal behaviors. And if something damaging were found-these intelligence agencies would bury it because that would demonstrate their own culpability and complicity.,
WOW... You do NOT know what's in those docs - none of us do, not really, even when they tell us what's in them - how can you proclaim they "have no impact on the citizenry"...???
I have heard this line numerous times from people who seem to share your thinking. The problem is that you have no basis for agreeing or disagreeing but simply show anger and blank rejection. From my position it seems you are in a place of great confusion with no standards to evaluate information but that can never change unles you find the impetus to do some real investigation. It gets very tiring to listen to characterizations and accusation that have no factual basis.
Have you held TOP SECRET, NATO clearances? HANDLED THESE DOCUMENTS??? I have worked in ATIP matters with the Government of Canada, which includes sensitive material held in collaboration with the USA among other countries.
What you expect will be found and revealed with a "raid" or public "investigation"? Do you think they both have hard data of nuclear info, financial payouts laying around in a garage or a safe? Are they so stupid and reckless and have survived decades of criminal behavior that they would leave themselves vulnerable to such a circumstance? What you you believe will be obtained from these documents after a public investigation-in which if anything were found would be seized and redacted? If there were such material in existence which were such injurious as to warrants arrests then why has no such action taken place? Can you please indulge me on that with your personal expertise having handled classified government documents since you state you know better than I do as to how this process plays out?
Yes, I do try to keep a level head and be open to new information. Appreciate your up close and personal experience. Canada may have its differences from the US but they really are mutual bedfellows.
Is this an intense tide of truth coming to light, or is this timed to take focus away from the deadliness of the injections coming to light? Or perhaps both? Not saying it doesn't deserve focus, but interesting timing ...
I believe that Obama was on the take . All you have to do is look at his net worth before and after he was President .
That’s what “book deals” and bogus Nobel Prizes are all about….$$$$. There’s a whole slew of “prizes” for public service that involve considerable $$$$ payments. IIRC, Fauci received one too.
When Biden blabbed about threatening to withold the $billion from Porchenko, unless the prosecutor was fired, he said he was acting with Obama's agent... you can call him
Every Council of Foreign Relations President has been on the take of the New World Order psychos.
They’re all in on the money laundering. Ditch too. This is why neither party will truly hold the other accountable.
As VP, everything Biden did was under Obama's orders.
And as President, he still is under obama's orders. I believe that obama has been involved in this from his beginnings. Ever since he stepped on the stage, it has all looked like theater.
Biden stole those documents to cover up crimes. The same with fire the prosecutor or no billion. What’s in the documents? Show me Trumps and show me Biden’s…king for a king.
I do not believe that they are that cunning. I do believe, however, that they are that stupid.
Be honest now. Trump had many boxes of documents and he was given a year to return them to the government and he refused, over and over again. Quite a different story than Biden having a handful of documents that he immediately turned over, He even had his lawyer searching and returning. That difference makes all the difference. If Trump wasn't such an obstructionist and cooperated it would not have been an issue and the public would not have even known about the situation. Trump is the author of his own misery so let's not look for ways to excuse his rotten, illegal behavior.
Tanya are you so blinded by your hatred of Trump (braindead) that you excuse Biden who was vice president in 2016 with no legal right to top secret docs and did not have the office in Penn state till 2017. Also the Chinese give millions to Penn state. Put it all together.
And, moving the documents from Delaware (2017) to the Penn Center (2018) proves intent.
Removing them from the WH proves intent. Moving some to Delaware, and some to Penn Xiden Center, also proves intent.
Where ELSE might Xiden have put some Classified docs??? Like, maybe in the dozens & dozens of boxes of his supposedly Senate only related docs at the U of Delaware, which they utterly refuse to release or make public???
And, what's Old Barry Soeroro kept in his possession??? And, Killary and her pathetic husband...
Do you really believe it was only "a handful of documents"??? LOL. And, HE did not "immediately" turn them over - his staff, and former lawyer (at Penn Xiden, if I recall correctly) reported them as having been found/identified as Classified... As for "immediately" - do you really believe that, too??? Then you must believe he's actually had the real CONvid jabs... LOL. Sorry to seem mean, but seriously - wake up.
We do not agree. There is a great difference betw these 2 situations and I am not jumping to conclusions as you seem to be doing. FYI, "immediate" may mean a few days as Biden's lawyers reviewed and debated how to handle the find. But that is quite different than Trump flatly refusing to return the cartons for over a year no matter how many times he was asked to do that. There is no equivalency here so my words to you are Wake up and be real. even if you don't like it.
Trump was POTUS and thus has permission to declassify anything, and permission to have the documents in the first place. VP has neither. Trump complied with the requirements for storage at Mar-a-lago of whatever documents he had.
You dear are simply rabid. Rabid, coupled with selective indignation, and uninformed, is a bad combination.
You are quite mistaken about Trump's ability as POTUS to declassify anything at will. That was one of his untruths. As for you characterizations of me/my posts there is no indignation, just simply facts as we know them. Trump did not and would not return the many cartons of documents for at least a year regardless of how many times he was asked and told to do so. If anyone is rabid and disinformed here it certainly is not me.
AGAIN.........NO TRUMP CANNOT DECLASSIFY ANYTHING HE WANTS. This is NOT TRUE! I have worked in government (Canada though albeit different parameters) but this is not how the systems work in North America. In the end as I've stated earlier whatever was found was 99% likely cleared already-hence a DISTRACTION-to get tanya and yourself debating over a useless argument. Let' suppose they took classified documents-as EVERY sitting official has done within and OUTSIDE the rules-what THEN? What does this prove? That ALL OF THEM ARE FRAUDS AND CORRUPT?
Tim Patwell
Writes Tim Patwell
39 min ago
ec. 1.3. Classification Authority.
(a) The authority to classify information
originally may be exercised only by:
(1) the President and the Vice President;
What document or statute are you referencing here? Where is this snippet taken from?
Way too many proclamations, and absolutes. What exactly is a "sitting official", and who are you to declare that EVERY one of them has done anything?
Post a link to the complete statute for context, or sit down.
There you go son, and I'm Canadian you should know this long ago
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CFR-2010-title3-vol1/pdf/CFR-2010-title3-vol1-eo13526.pdf
Oh, so it's just an Obama executive order. Like all the ones Trump signed and Biden reversed. OK then.
There you go son. How weak can you get.
What??? What did Trump reverse with respect to classifying documents, and how is this relevant towards either side? Are you stating Trump reversed Obama orders which would result based on his taking home of documents to incriminate himself? Please provide the coherence behind your rebuttal. What legislation and executive orders can you provide to affirm your position? What did Trump sign or Biden do to reverse the legal doctrines I've presented? Yeah NOTHING. As Steve Smith said "Ice Up son" You're out of your element but please prove me wrong and/or present a data/legal based argument rather than your emotions. Are you one of the FOOLS who is deluded that Biden or Trump cares about your welfare LOL???!!!
PS: Why else do you think that Trump was able to reverse so many of Obama's unconstitutional mandates? Constitutional attorney, Publius Huldah, published articles that said, and proved, many of Obama's EOs were constitutionally unenforceable, his EO 13526 was one of them.
Also explain to me how your virtuous hero was hanging out with Jeffrey Epstein having sex with young girls also. I really want to hear that as well and how they were friend for decades. I KNOW what he did and his ties. Let's go you want me to destroy your hero....I'm waiting
Reverse what? Please educate all of us as the expert legal scholar you are? Illustrate show us all the legal changes Trump and his reforms and how humanity benefited from his tenure.........let's go right now I'm WAIITNG............
Please provide the legal and scientific evidence to support your lunacy. I will tear you to shreds
You believe Donald Trump is a great savior? Based upon what exactly? Please tell and show us all how he "drained the swamp" as well. You feeble minded fools never cease to astonish me. You think TRUMP is with you? WOWWWWWW. idiots THE LOT OF YOU.
Thanx for this link. I read much of this document which appears to be very proscriptive about how to and how to undo classified documents. Undoing them has a very clear path to follow which tells me that the president cannot just take documents and casually decided they become unclassified especially if he, that very president was not the one who originally classified it. Further, of interest is the mandate that anyone who may come to create a classification must undergo a training at least 1x every year to maintain that authority. This clearly means that Trump or anyone else in authority cannot willy nilly declassify something when caught holding it illegally.
The document also notes the VP have every right to be an authorized person to classify or declassify documents as long as that person meets the requirements as spelled out.
So once again it seems that people who worship at the feet of Trump will not be able to hear anything that questions what this man says or does while at the same time will still continue trashing Obama who has been out of office now for over 6 yrs.
Thank Tanya. A lot of people don't seem to comprehend either that simply viewing, downloading, accessing documents leaves a digital footprint and is monitored. Flags are generated and in the instance of unauthorized or illegitimate access it's immediately flagged and investigated. Retrieving hard copies also is logged and documented. To print any documents is documented and monitored. You also can't just walk into the Archives room and pull out and make photocopies as the Archives and record keeping departments control and restrict access. Moreover, the lawyers/counsel will ALWAYS review and advise all of the officials-there are specialists assigned for these purposes to protect the government and the officials. Declassifying and classifying is also subjected to extensive reviews- let alone walking out the door with boxes of papers lol. Ultimately this is cosmetic theatre and a distraction as you know. I try to remain objective and appreciate you do the same.
Seriously? This was Obama's EO 13526! I'll go with the constitutional experts who say, with references in law, that Trump did not break any laws and had the right to classify the documents he held, and to declassify those that were, indeed, also under the law.
Are you so foolish and ignorant and ignore all evidence to retain a belief this is still an issue of Obama and Trump or Biden or Democrats versus Republicans?
Marlene, did I say Trump or Biden broke any classifications rules? Are you a legal and constitutional expert? Please cite some/any and their legal analysis because the "constitution" has no relevance nor bearing towards classified documents, Please share the legal expertise you have accumulated and posses and the barristers whom counter what I have stated I would like to discuss with them. Yeah super "seriously" what are your "references in law"?
NONSENSE, Tanya.
Biden was only the Vice President. Trump was (and will again be) President of the United States. This is an insurmountable distinction for you foolish Biden apologists.
Boy are you projecting here. I have made no excuses for anyone just looking at the facts as we know them and not employing emotional biases. It seems to me that it is you that is very blinded by a belief system, a trust in someone who , questionably at best, has not earned that trust. And this has nothing to do with Biden or anyone else. I wish people with your thinking could understand there are more than 2 ways to see a situation. As for chrystal ball, can it tell me how garden will grow this year?
For real. I do not comprehend how people think Biden or Trump are on their "side" and so ardently defends them both, while they both lie, cheat steal and con the populace. The fact people believe ANY of them are on your side or care to represent you is the greatest travesty. Until you all recognize your "parties" do not represent YOU, then you are doomed to continue to replicate the same failures.
Please do not misinterpret me. I can't stand either Party or their presidents. We are not a democracy but a corporatist state; ie, fascist! We have a few rudiments of democracy left but only so long as they don't interfere with the corporate agenda. Civil liberties was a good game for buying the public and creating a well entitled middle class. On occasion we get a few people elected who actually want to do good for the people but lasts a short time until they get sucked into the political system as they learn the ropes. They cannot even see how they are losing their direction. The few actions to try and undo some of this have so far not been successfully won. We are getting much more diverse people elected which is a great thing but they do not enough power to really create change. Getting rid of Citizens United and having publicly funded elections with caps on spending is another necessary step. It works in places where it is done but they are few and far between. And given the world's gathering against US hegemony this country is getting increasingly more hysterical and it is the people who will pay no matter what side of the aisle they claim to support. I hope this brief note gives you a better understanding of my views.
We are NOT A DEMOCRACY. We are a CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC.
You're right. This is another thing Tim doesn't understand.
Is it? It's written along those line yes, in practice for probably 100 years+ it has been a BANANA republic.
I appreciate your reply Tanya. My personal take is the system itself is completely rotten and infiltrated Anyone, who may obtain a position of prominence is cast out if they don't tow the party line. As a resident of Canada, my friend Derek Sloan getting kicked out of the Conservative Party is a prime example. I'm into the concept of Parallel Polis right now, introduced by Vaclav Havel. If you haven't already I recommend yourself and everyone else examines this possibility and its application for us.
Will check out the concept of Parallel Polis and Vaclav Havel. Heard of Havel but not remembering what.
FYI, just read that in the UK a councillor spoke up in support of a man questioning the safety of these 'vaccine' and was removed. It seems disagreement, no matter grievous, gets a pass as we see in the US Congress as long as that person does not threaten the power structure.
^MISINFORMATION
I'm not. I'm simply pointing out they are probably both innocent or guilty according to the law. And whatever documents were found-have no impact on the citizenry in terms of nay actual investigations into criminal behaviors. And if something damaging were found-these intelligence agencies would bury it because that would demonstrate their own culpability and complicity.,
WOW... You do NOT know what's in those docs - none of us do, not really, even when they tell us what's in them - how can you proclaim they "have no impact on the citizenry"...???
I have heard this line numerous times from people who seem to share your thinking. The problem is that you have no basis for agreeing or disagreeing but simply show anger and blank rejection. From my position it seems you are in a place of great confusion with no standards to evaluate information but that can never change unles you find the impetus to do some real investigation. It gets very tiring to listen to characterizations and accusation that have no factual basis.
Have you held TOP SECRET, NATO clearances? HANDLED THESE DOCUMENTS??? I have worked in ATIP matters with the Government of Canada, which includes sensitive material held in collaboration with the USA among other countries.
What you expect will be found and revealed with a "raid" or public "investigation"? Do you think they both have hard data of nuclear info, financial payouts laying around in a garage or a safe? Are they so stupid and reckless and have survived decades of criminal behavior that they would leave themselves vulnerable to such a circumstance? What you you believe will be obtained from these documents after a public investigation-in which if anything were found would be seized and redacted? If there were such material in existence which were such injurious as to warrants arrests then why has no such action taken place? Can you please indulge me on that with your personal expertise having handled classified government documents since you state you know better than I do as to how this process plays out?
Yes, I do try to keep a level head and be open to new information. Appreciate your up close and personal experience. Canada may have its differences from the US but they really are mutual bedfellows.
Is this an intense tide of truth coming to light, or is this timed to take focus away from the deadliness of the injections coming to light? Or perhaps both? Not saying it doesn't deserve focus, but interesting timing ...
All their narratives are blowing up, including the "Trump taxgate" bs:
So... We "Learned" that...
TRUMP GAVE LOANS TO HIS KIDS. HERE'S HOW YOU CAN BE SMART AND TAX COMPLIANT TOO!
https://www.fa-mag.com/news/trump-gave-loans-to-his-kids--here-s-how-your-clients-can--too-71515.html?
Hunter Biden can read?
I bet he was.
He also was getting BIG $ from CCP
Biden has outlived his usefulness and will be removed . His own "party" has plans.
Sure he was!