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Thomas A Braun RPh's avatar

Is this Tom Renz view also?

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Ragnar's avatar

Tom Renz can’t tell the difference between a killed vaccine and an MLV vaccine.

His article is so error filled, he ended up closing down comments unless you’re a paid subscriber.

For him to even make the claim that all huge factory farm are owned by Bill Gates, and the CCP shows his ignorance of animal agriculture.

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Thomas A Braun RPh's avatar

So.. you don’t believe that cattle will be injected with mRNA vaccines? That is the road the code breakers are going down.

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Ragnar's avatar

What I wrote is that there are no mRNA vaccines for cattle.

Will there be? Who knows. We haven’t had any issues with the current swine or dog RNA based vaccine. It will be a much smoother shot than a killed or MLV , just like the DNA based vaccines we currently use for horses (for nearly 20 years now).

I don’t conflate the SARS CoV 2 mRNA based vaccine with all mRNA vaccines…I don’t throw out the idea of how a vaccine is manufactured, because one of the specific vaccines has proven ineffective. We wouldn’t have any killed or MLV vaccines at all, if we followed that line of thinking.

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Thomas A Braun RPh's avatar

Your positive views are contrary to the mRNA EUO injections that have caused great harm. The pork is cooked well done as a rule. In beef, many like rare. If there are spike proteins present, they are transfered to the human. DES caused cancer in humans who ate meat rare. We are rushing technologhy without the safe guards. Humans have become lab rats.

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Ragnar's avatar

You’re conflating SARS 2 vaccines with mRNA technology…if a killed hepatitis vaccine is found ineffective or even dangerous, do we categorize all killed vaccines as dangerous and/or ineffective? Of course not. You also apparently know very little about beef operations and withdrawal times, and are neglecting the short half life of MRNA.

When , in the life cycle of cattle, do you think we vaccinate cattle?

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Thomas A Braun RPh's avatar

Can’t debate what I don’t know. All I know is the mRNA injections are not safe and effective! I bet there has not been any research into transfer of mRNA spike protein from animal meat to humans.

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Ragnar's avatar

Whenever we get a vaccine approved by the USDA, we have to prove efficacy and safety.

Please detail how the current mRNA swine vaccine is not safe nor effective. It’s been on the market for a few years now, you should be able to prove that quickly…if it is the case.

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Thomas A Braun RPh's avatar

Does it include human studies?

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Ragnar's avatar

Covered by the residue studies..not only throughout the approval process but once the vaccine goes commercial.

https://www.fsis.usda.gov/policy/fsis-directives/10800.1

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Thomas A Braun RPh's avatar

The bias in managing medical treatments for disease states is corrupted by the speciel interests that manipulate the governmental agencies for their benefit. I see it time and again. The fact that the FDA approved these deadly mRNA injections for our children is criminal, when the CDC own data said that only .01% of these children are at risk from Covid. How Pfizer manipulated the research data on the mRNA is criminal. I know you believe you are doing the right stuff in animal husbandry, but the real issue stems from concentrated animal feeding methods to maximize profitability and minimize cost. Animals need their space and not be raised in concentrated pens that stress out the animals and raise the risk of disease states. Chickens are a good example with the bird flu. Peta would like to end all meat production. I don't agree with that and I only buy organic.

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