Excellent reporting by ZEROHEDGE!! President-elect Donald Trump said he's going to pardon Jan. 6 defendants on his first day in office & WILL MOVE TO JAIL THOSE WHO PUT THEM THERE! MAGA!
Further, I suggest that justice will be served when each member of the J6 Committee is led into the very cells previously holding the J6ers, to spend the same amount of time.
I have a burning hatred for injustice and those who nurture it against others. "There is a time for love and a time for hate." God sanctions hate as the God of Wrath. It is not sin when properly applied.
I think Luigi Mangione felt the same way. I'm not excusing what he did but I definitely think he felt the same way. Apparently the McDonalds that he was eating at when he got snitched on has been flooded with negative reviews by people who consider him a folk hero. Do you think any jury will convict him? How are they going to get a unanimous verdict? Why do you think he took his mask off when asked to do so at the hostel he was at in order to match his face to his photo ID? That was dumb. Apart from in that instance he was so careful to keep his face covered.
Mangione is no hero. Daniel Penny IS a hero. Mangione was a socially mal-adjusted man, who had no moral upbringing, only a privileged education at universities where he received indoctrination in anti-capitalism and marxism. He was a misfit, and idolized the uni-bomber. Now he is a murderer. A brainwashed murderer. And stupid too. He could have simply shaved his over-sized eyebrows and no one would have recognized him.
Justice is not nice. Sometimes justice is tough. It's called tough love. It's called doing the right thing, even though someone may not like it, but in the end, it will work out for the good.
The correct word would be "kill", not "murder". In the Bible, they mean two different things. That's why the 6th Commandment says "Do Not Murder", not "do not kill".
You can "murder" someone just by destroying them psychologically, destroying their reputation, etc. But you can "kill" someone by taking away their life. God shows in the Bible that some people are just too evil to remain on this earth, such as the Amalekites. He instructed the Israelites to kill ALL of the Amalekites, but they didn't do so, and because of that, they've been suffering from the actions of the Amalekites ever since.
There are lots of leftist political hacks in the LPC who the nation would be better off without. I have hoped a long time for turdo to step off the curb and get whacked by a runaway Mack truck.
Unfortunately Trump will have to sue to have SCOTUS review Biden pardons... and there will be a lot of blanket pardons for essentially all those involved in all things that represent Deep State Federal crimes.
He needs to put on notice those who are and will receive blanket pardon of his plans. Read Federalist 76 paper about POTUS Pardons. SCOTUS will need to rule on this otherwise any future administration could commit countless crimes either directly or indirectly against We the People and at literally the 11th hour, pardon everyone involved.
I'm not a Constitutional Lawyer by any means, but I do not believe the discussions of POTUS Pardon powers within the Federalist papers indicate such absolute King-like pardon powers
The Command of the Military and Naval Forces, and the Pardoning Power of the Executive
From the New York Packet
Tuesday, March 25, 1788.
Author: Alexander Hamilton
To the People of the State of New York:
THE President of the United States is to be "commander-in-chief of the army and navy of the United States, and of the militia of the several States WHEN CALLED INTO THE ACTUAL SERVICE of the United States." The propriety of this provision is so evident in itself, and it is, at the same time, so consonant to the precedents of the State constitutions in general, that little need be said to explain or enforce it. Even those of them which have, in other respects, coupled the chief magistrate with a council, have for the most part concentrated the military authority in him alone. Of all the cares or concerns of government, the direction of war most peculiarly demands those qualities which distinguish the exercise of power by a single hand. The direction of war implies the direction of the common strength; and the power of directing and employing the common strength, forms a usual and essential part in the definition of the executive authority.
"The President may require the opinion, in writing, of the principal officer in each of the executive departments, upon any subject relating to the duties of their respective officers." This I consider as a mere redundancy in the plan, as the right for which it provides would result of itself from the office.
He is also to be authorized to grant "reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, EXCEPT IN CASES OF IMPEACHMENT." Humanity and good policy conspire to dictate, that the benign prerogative of pardoning should be as little as possible fettered or embarrassed. The criminal code of every country partakes so much of necessary severity, that without an easy access to exceptions in favor of unfortunate guilt, justice would wear a countenance too sanguinary and cruel. As the sense of responsibility is always strongest, in proportion as it is undivided, it may be inferred that a single man would be most ready to attend to the force of those motives which might plead for a mitigation of the rigor of the law, and least apt to yield to considerations which were calculated to shelter a fit object of its vengeance. The reflection that the fate of a fellow-creature depended on his sole fiat, would naturally inspire scrupulousness and caution; the dread of being accused of weakness or connivance, would beget equal circumspection, though of a different kind. On the other hand, as men generally derive confidence from their numbers, they might often encourage each other in an act of obduracy, and might be less sensible to the apprehension of suspicion or censure for an injudicious or affected clemency. On these accounts, one man appears to be a more eligible dispenser of the mercy of government, than a body of men.
Trump loves Israel, is himself jewish, and promised money and weaponry to Israel. Israel has grand designs on surrounding areas in other countries, US has typical greedy imperialistic ruminations on going along with subjugation of all oil producing nations. Win-win, can't you see that? We get to piggy back on the aggressor war criminal state of Israel and we get to rob, pillage, and PLUNDER black gold! Damn, you couldn't write a better script!!
Michael, Israel needs to be on the continent of North America, occupying part of what is currently the USA? The Jewish people need a homeland. Part of the reason for the problems it faces today is its current location, surrounded by enemies. There have long been proposals for alternative, or additional, Jewish homelands to Israel. One such proposed location is the United States of America.
The Jewish people have a deep historical connection to North America and to the land currently occupied by the people of the US. The USA belongs to the Jewish people. Apart from First Nations people, nobody has a greater claim to the USA, historically, than the Jewish people.
DNA evidence indicates that Christopher Columbus was Jewish!
Christopher Columbus was secretly Jewish, new DNA study reveals. The 15th-century explorer was a Sephardic Jew from western Europe, Spanish DNA experts reveal
If not for the Jewish people, America as we know it today would not even exist!
Furthermore, proposals for the creation of a Jewish state in the USA date to at least the 19th century.
"In 1820, in a precursor to modern Zionism, Mordecai Manuel Noah tried to found a Jewish homeland at Grand Island, New York in the Niagara River, to be called "Ararat" after Mount Ararat, the Biblical resting place of Noah's Ark. He erected a monument at the island which read "Ararat, a City of Refuge for the Jews, founded by Mordecai M. Noah in the Month of Tishri, 5586 (September, 1825) and in the Fiftieth Year of American Independence." In his Discourse on the Restoration of the Jews, Noah proclaimed his faith that the Jews would return and rebuild their ancient homeland. Noah called on America to take the lead in this endeavor. Some have speculated whether Noah's utopian ideas may have influenced Joseph Smith, who founded the Latter Day Saint movement in Upstate New York a few years later."
Noah, Mordecai Manuel (1845) Discourse on the Restoration of the Jews, Delivered at the Tabernacle, October 28 and December 2, 1844 by Mordecai Manuel Noah, New York City: Harpers & Brothers
Israel needs to be relocated to land on what is currently the USA. The UN should commence plans to enable this massive undertaking. All Jewish people who wish to remain in what is currently Israel should be permitted to do so, as part of a muti-ethnic state where all have equal voting rights.
A much larger area of land than that on which Israel now stands in its present location should be carved off from what is currently the USA and should be given to the Jewish people to enable the creation of a Jewish ethnostate, which would comprise the fourth nation of North America alongside Canada, Mexico and the remaining rump of the USA.
This new Jewish home should ideally comprise both New York State and most of the remainder of the east coast of the US. Current non-Jewish residents of the east coast should be assisted to relocate, possibly into Canada as well as other areas of the US.
This would not only be right and just but would solve most of the problems that Israel and the Jewish people now face.
Clearly, after what happened in Europe, Israel can't be relocated to Europe. It would face aggression from neighbors there, just as it does in the middle east, where the neighbors are desperate to be rid of it. The solution therefore is to relocate Israel to land in the US where it would be loved and welcomed with open arms. Carve off part of the US and establish it as a separate, independent Jewish nation, with its own culture, currency, traditions, military etc. Perhaps name it Zion. The American people would be enriched by having it exist on part of where the US now is and have the benefits of having it there in the way that the Palestinians and its neighbors in the middle east have been enriched by having it where it is now but have not appreciated.
We need the Tribe like another hole in the head. Why have they been shiitecanned 105 times over the past thousand years? Huh? Countries by the score ejected them because they need to be in the US? Get serious, get real. You sound totally sayanim.
Michael, the US deserves this. And the US would save a shitload of money if all of its resources, to which Israel is entitled, were close on hand instead of having to be deployed to the other side of the world whenever Israel needed them.
I get ending the birthright citizenship -- I get it! HOWEVER ...
It's getting on a slippery slope when the Constitution - in this case the 14th Amendment - is disregarded. If the 14th Amendment can be tossed aside, why not the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, or other?
There are much better and Constitution-abiding ways to solve the illegal immigration disaster that exists in our country - a disaster that MUST be solved. Trump must try to do better than trashing our Constitution or part thereof, as such actions could set a dangerous precedent.
This is one place where I disagree with you Jorge. The 14th Amendment does NOT grand citizenship to children born to parents who are in this country ILLEGALLY.
This is what it actually says:
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
Now this is what Senator Jacob Howard (Author of the 14th Amendment) said:
"This will NOT, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States."
I hear what you're saying, but Senator Jacob's comment is NOT part of the 14th Amendment. Towards that I recently wrote to Primum non nocere:
"I hear you, but there is temporal logic error. A person cannot be a citizen first, and THEN be born. A person must be BORN first, and then be a citizen.
A straightforward reading of the 14th Amendment indicates that if the person is BORN in a US jurisdiction, and is therefore subject to that jurisdiction, THEN that person is a citizen.
I will, however, admit that I am no Constitutional scholar, nor am I a lawyer (heaven forbid!!). Thus, it certainly is possible that in the lingo of Legalese it is as you say.
REGARDLESS, why not seek a way that avoids any and all potential conflicts? That's the smartest route, rather than open up a possible giant can of legal worms."
14th Amendment isnt in risk of being tossed. Its in risk of being correctly interpreted by SCOTUS...
"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."
The key phrase is ... "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof...". Meaning that you first must be a US citizen first...
Ilegal entry into the US does not make you a citizen... " subject to the jurisdiction thereof...".
I hear you, but there is temporal logic error. A person cannot be a citizen first, and THEN be born. A person must be BORN first, and then be a citizen. A straightforward reading of the 14th Amendment indicates that if the person is BORN in a US jurisdiction, and is therefore subject to that jurisdiction, THEN that person is a citizen.
I will, however, admit that I am no Constitutional scholar, nor am I a lawyer (heaven forbid!!). Thus, it certainly is possible that in the lingo of Legalese it is as you say.
REGARDLESS, why not seek a way that avoids any and all potential conflicts? That's the smartest route, rather than open up a possible giant can of legal worms.
1. "... and subject to the jurisdiction therefore "
and..
2. "..... and IS subject to the jurisdiction therefore. "
If we use your verbiage to include "is" then the amendment reads COMPLETELY different. #1 (actual verbiage) states that unless you are first a US citizen, your born child is NOT a US citizen and NOT "subject to the jurisdiction therefore".
#2 (your version with "is") states that any child born becomes a US citizen since the birth itself "IS subject to the jurisdiction therefore"
Unfortunately/fortunately when laws and amendments are created, each word and the sentence construction have HIGE legal interpretive implications.
Okay, that's deeper into 'Legalese' than I wish to go into. So let me just restate what I believe should be the guiding principle here:
Why not find and use a way to solve the "illegal aliens" problem - including those that were born here - by a route that does NOT open up potential Constitutional (14th Amendment) conflicts? What's wrong with that?
I understand what you're saying - that there *aren't* any conflicts. All I'm saying is why not make the point moot altogether? It wouldn't be that hard.
Last point: if there is any kind of legal issue - real or perceived - I guarantee you 100% that the Globalists will find and exploit it. Hey, *WE* opened the door! All I'm suggesting is, DON'T use that door, use another means.
Sorry, the only BOOM I wanna hear, is the boom as all the worlds' mRNA factories are being levelled. Maybe Putin can be persuaded to aim an Oreshnik or two in their direction.
I know I am asking for a miracle here as there are so many sheeples out there - people sleep walk into their own demise.
BUT, if ALL of us refused to be jabbed until Jan after 21st at the earliest, we will not get any extra sweetners in the vax. Bet on it, count on it, guarantee it, with this much notification of what the Don wants to do, they will go ape-sh!t with throwing all they can into the vax and seal your future - what you have left of it. Seen it and 2025 will have mass deaths dropping like flies and those who remain are walking fkin zombies.
Want to vax me - if they are military, bring a fkin gun and a hollow point bullet and I will do the X marks the spot between the eyes.
But before you do, I will tell you're murdering a Vets niece and one of the two Vets who was a war hero and was the first to receive the French "Croix_de_Guerre" (War Cross) Nice one boris! aren't you proud of yourself.
This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.
Jan 20, 2011 · Writing about the Constitution’s guarantee of citizenship at birth for all children born on U.S. soil and “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States, Rep. Smith asserted: “during the debate on the 14th Amendment in 1866, a senator who helped draft the amendment said it would ‘not of course include persons born in the United ...
On top of a pardon, compensation for mental pain, physical pain, suffering and family destruction must be awarded. Then they must go after the DOJ for falsified information as well as Liz Chaney for manipulation and falsified information not allowing videos to be brought forth for evidence. This is not a properly running justice system and is sick with corruption. These judges, DA's and politicians need to be brought up on charges! Weponizing the justice system should never be used in a healthy free society!
Are you stupid or something? Why would self proclaimed Father of the Covid Vaccine - cough, cough not a vaccine but a bioweapon do away with what he calls the greatest accomplishment that saved millions of lives?
Some people just don't get it, like you Marsha. And how do you get off spouting nonsense like "father of the covid vaccine"? It was the DoD, deep state and Fauci bioweapon. TDS is a real malady obviously.
its all this lame reverse psychology they use on them with both the msm and the alt media at the same time, but these Trumpers and q people can’t tell the difference between whats real and whats fake,
they’re easy to dupe because they think in extremes and opposites,
if its not red then it must be blue.
if the media hate him hes our guy.
he wants to save the children, hes our guy,
theyre not aressting me, theyre arresting you.
theyre not indicting me, theyre indicting you,
theyre indicting him, hes our guy.
these people who fall for this level of weak sauce reverse psychology mind control are beyond pathetic, this is the level that you would usually only be able to decieve children with. its ridiculous how gullible and reterded they all are
Trump gave himself the title “Father of the Vaccine” Trump commended Fauci and others of his Operation Warp Speed program his last day in office- delusional much you are.🤦♀️🤡
Paul, they are now psyopping us with the bleeding eye virus. It's not just deadly, it's "highly" deadly, lol.
Further, I suggest that justice will be served when each member of the J6 Committee is led into the very cells previously holding the J6ers, to spend the same amount of time.
I have a burning hatred for injustice and those who nurture it against others. "There is a time for love and a time for hate." God sanctions hate as the God of Wrath. It is not sin when properly applied.
I think Luigi Mangione felt the same way. I'm not excusing what he did but I definitely think he felt the same way. Apparently the McDonalds that he was eating at when he got snitched on has been flooded with negative reviews by people who consider him a folk hero. Do you think any jury will convict him? How are they going to get a unanimous verdict? Why do you think he took his mask off when asked to do so at the hostel he was at in order to match his face to his photo ID? That was dumb. Apart from in that instance he was so careful to keep his face covered.
Mangione is no hero. Daniel Penny IS a hero. Mangione was a socially mal-adjusted man, who had no moral upbringing, only a privileged education at universities where he received indoctrination in anti-capitalism and marxism. He was a misfit, and idolized the uni-bomber. Now he is a murderer. A brainwashed murderer. And stupid too. He could have simply shaved his over-sized eyebrows and no one would have recognized him.
He needs to be executed if guilty. A waste of skin and air.
He'll face a New York jury.
Justice is not nice. Sometimes justice is tough. It's called tough love. It's called doing the right thing, even though someone may not like it, but in the end, it will work out for the good.
It is a scriptural provision for murder.
The correct word would be "kill", not "murder". In the Bible, they mean two different things. That's why the 6th Commandment says "Do Not Murder", not "do not kill".
You can "murder" someone just by destroying them psychologically, destroying their reputation, etc. But you can "kill" someone by taking away their life. God shows in the Bible that some people are just too evil to remain on this earth, such as the Amalekites. He instructed the Israelites to kill ALL of the Amalekites, but they didn't do so, and because of that, they've been suffering from the actions of the Amalekites ever since.
There are lots of leftist political hacks in the LPC who the nation would be better off without. I have hoped a long time for turdo to step off the curb and get whacked by a runaway Mack truck.
Unfortunately Trump will have to sue to have SCOTUS review Biden pardons... and there will be a lot of blanket pardons for essentially all those involved in all things that represent Deep State Federal crimes.
He needs to put on notice those who are and will receive blanket pardon of his plans. Read Federalist 76 paper about POTUS Pardons. SCOTUS will need to rule on this otherwise any future administration could commit countless crimes either directly or indirectly against We the People and at literally the 11th hour, pardon everyone involved.
I'm not a Constitutional Lawyer by any means, but I do not believe the discussions of POTUS Pardon powers within the Federalist papers indicate such absolute King-like pardon powers
I AGREE, I dont think it is absolute. Founding fathers always put in tricks and pills to tweak.
We must also keep in mind that Biden is an illegitimate President, installed by election fraud, and has NO power to grant pardons.
Read Federalist 76 for yourself...
https://guides.loc.gov/federalist-papers/text-71-80
love that you shared that
thank you for sharing
Federalist No. 74
The Command of the Military and Naval Forces, and the Pardoning Power of the Executive
From the New York Packet
Tuesday, March 25, 1788.
Author: Alexander Hamilton
To the People of the State of New York:
THE President of the United States is to be "commander-in-chief of the army and navy of the United States, and of the militia of the several States WHEN CALLED INTO THE ACTUAL SERVICE of the United States." The propriety of this provision is so evident in itself, and it is, at the same time, so consonant to the precedents of the State constitutions in general, that little need be said to explain or enforce it. Even those of them which have, in other respects, coupled the chief magistrate with a council, have for the most part concentrated the military authority in him alone. Of all the cares or concerns of government, the direction of war most peculiarly demands those qualities which distinguish the exercise of power by a single hand. The direction of war implies the direction of the common strength; and the power of directing and employing the common strength, forms a usual and essential part in the definition of the executive authority.
"The President may require the opinion, in writing, of the principal officer in each of the executive departments, upon any subject relating to the duties of their respective officers." This I consider as a mere redundancy in the plan, as the right for which it provides would result of itself from the office.
He is also to be authorized to grant "reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, EXCEPT IN CASES OF IMPEACHMENT." Humanity and good policy conspire to dictate, that the benign prerogative of pardoning should be as little as possible fettered or embarrassed. The criminal code of every country partakes so much of necessary severity, that without an easy access to exceptions in favor of unfortunate guilt, justice would wear a countenance too sanguinary and cruel. As the sense of responsibility is always strongest, in proportion as it is undivided, it may be inferred that a single man would be most ready to attend to the force of those motives which might plead for a mitigation of the rigor of the law, and least apt to yield to considerations which were calculated to shelter a fit object of its vengeance. The reflection that the fate of a fellow-creature depended on his sole fiat, would naturally inspire scrupulousness and caution; the dread of being accused of weakness or connivance, would beget equal circumspection, though of a different kind. On the other hand, as men generally derive confidence from their numbers, they might often encourage each other in an act of obduracy, and might be less sensible to the apprehension of suspicion or censure for an injudicious or affected clemency. On these accounts, one man appears to be a more eligible dispenser of the mercy of government, than a body of men.
Trump loves Israel, is himself jewish, and promised money and weaponry to Israel. Israel has grand designs on surrounding areas in other countries, US has typical greedy imperialistic ruminations on going along with subjugation of all oil producing nations. Win-win, can't you see that? We get to piggy back on the aggressor war criminal state of Israel and we get to rob, pillage, and PLUNDER black gold! Damn, you couldn't write a better script!!
Michael, Israel needs to be on the continent of North America, occupying part of what is currently the USA? The Jewish people need a homeland. Part of the reason for the problems it faces today is its current location, surrounded by enemies. There have long been proposals for alternative, or additional, Jewish homelands to Israel. One such proposed location is the United States of America.
The Jewish people have a deep historical connection to North America and to the land currently occupied by the people of the US. The USA belongs to the Jewish people. Apart from First Nations people, nobody has a greater claim to the USA, historically, than the Jewish people.
DNA evidence indicates that Christopher Columbus was Jewish!
Christopher Columbus was secretly Jewish, new DNA study reveals. The 15th-century explorer was a Sephardic Jew from western Europe, Spanish DNA experts reveal
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/christopher-columbus-dna-sephardic-jews-b2629283.html
If not for the Jewish people, America as we know it today would not even exist!
Furthermore, proposals for the creation of a Jewish state in the USA date to at least the 19th century.
"In 1820, in a precursor to modern Zionism, Mordecai Manuel Noah tried to found a Jewish homeland at Grand Island, New York in the Niagara River, to be called "Ararat" after Mount Ararat, the Biblical resting place of Noah's Ark. He erected a monument at the island which read "Ararat, a City of Refuge for the Jews, founded by Mordecai M. Noah in the Month of Tishri, 5586 (September, 1825) and in the Fiftieth Year of American Independence." In his Discourse on the Restoration of the Jews, Noah proclaimed his faith that the Jews would return and rebuild their ancient homeland. Noah called on America to take the lead in this endeavor. Some have speculated whether Noah's utopian ideas may have influenced Joseph Smith, who founded the Latter Day Saint movement in Upstate New York a few years later."
Noah, Mordecai Manuel (1845) Discourse on the Restoration of the Jews, Delivered at the Tabernacle, October 28 and December 2, 1844 by Mordecai Manuel Noah, New York City: Harpers & Brothers
Israel needs to be relocated to land on what is currently the USA. The UN should commence plans to enable this massive undertaking. All Jewish people who wish to remain in what is currently Israel should be permitted to do so, as part of a muti-ethnic state where all have equal voting rights.
A much larger area of land than that on which Israel now stands in its present location should be carved off from what is currently the USA and should be given to the Jewish people to enable the creation of a Jewish ethnostate, which would comprise the fourth nation of North America alongside Canada, Mexico and the remaining rump of the USA.
This new Jewish home should ideally comprise both New York State and most of the remainder of the east coast of the US. Current non-Jewish residents of the east coast should be assisted to relocate, possibly into Canada as well as other areas of the US.
This would not only be right and just but would solve most of the problems that Israel and the Jewish people now face.
Clearly, after what happened in Europe, Israel can't be relocated to Europe. It would face aggression from neighbors there, just as it does in the middle east, where the neighbors are desperate to be rid of it. The solution therefore is to relocate Israel to land in the US where it would be loved and welcomed with open arms. Carve off part of the US and establish it as a separate, independent Jewish nation, with its own culture, currency, traditions, military etc. Perhaps name it Zion. The American people would be enriched by having it exist on part of where the US now is and have the benefits of having it there in the way that the Palestinians and its neighbors in the middle east have been enriched by having it where it is now but have not appreciated.
We need the Tribe like another hole in the head. Why have they been shiitecanned 105 times over the past thousand years? Huh? Countries by the score ejected them because they need to be in the US? Get serious, get real. You sound totally sayanim.
Michael, the US deserves this. And the US would save a shitload of money if all of its resources, to which Israel is entitled, were close on hand instead of having to be deployed to the other side of the world whenever Israel needed them.
michael - Trump is not Jewish. He is of Scottish and British ancestry, which makes him an Israelite, not a Jew.
I get ending the birthright citizenship -- I get it! HOWEVER ...
It's getting on a slippery slope when the Constitution - in this case the 14th Amendment - is disregarded. If the 14th Amendment can be tossed aside, why not the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, or other?
There are much better and Constitution-abiding ways to solve the illegal immigration disaster that exists in our country - a disaster that MUST be solved. Trump must try to do better than trashing our Constitution or part thereof, as such actions could set a dangerous precedent.
This is one place where I disagree with you Jorge. The 14th Amendment does NOT grand citizenship to children born to parents who are in this country ILLEGALLY.
This is what it actually says:
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
Now this is what Senator Jacob Howard (Author of the 14th Amendment) said:
"This will NOT, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States."
I hear what you're saying, but Senator Jacob's comment is NOT part of the 14th Amendment. Towards that I recently wrote to Primum non nocere:
"I hear you, but there is temporal logic error. A person cannot be a citizen first, and THEN be born. A person must be BORN first, and then be a citizen.
A straightforward reading of the 14th Amendment indicates that if the person is BORN in a US jurisdiction, and is therefore subject to that jurisdiction, THEN that person is a citizen.
I will, however, admit that I am no Constitutional scholar, nor am I a lawyer (heaven forbid!!). Thus, it certainly is possible that in the lingo of Legalese it is as you say.
REGARDLESS, why not seek a way that avoids any and all potential conflicts? That's the smartest route, rather than open up a possible giant can of legal worms."
Maybe this will explain it for you.
https://www.14thamendment.us/birthright_citizenship/original_intent.html
14th Amendment isnt in risk of being tossed. Its in risk of being correctly interpreted by SCOTUS...
"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."
The key phrase is ... "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof...". Meaning that you first must be a US citizen first...
Ilegal entry into the US does not make you a citizen... " subject to the jurisdiction thereof...".
I hear you, but there is temporal logic error. A person cannot be a citizen first, and THEN be born. A person must be BORN first, and then be a citizen. A straightforward reading of the 14th Amendment indicates that if the person is BORN in a US jurisdiction, and is therefore subject to that jurisdiction, THEN that person is a citizen.
I will, however, admit that I am no Constitutional scholar, nor am I a lawyer (heaven forbid!!). Thus, it certainly is possible that in the lingo of Legalese it is as you say.
REGARDLESS, why not seek a way that avoids any and all potential conflicts? That's the smartest route, rather than open up a possible giant can of legal worms.
there is a HUGE difference between:
1. "... and subject to the jurisdiction therefore "
and..
2. "..... and IS subject to the jurisdiction therefore. "
If we use your verbiage to include "is" then the amendment reads COMPLETELY different. #1 (actual verbiage) states that unless you are first a US citizen, your born child is NOT a US citizen and NOT "subject to the jurisdiction therefore".
#2 (your version with "is") states that any child born becomes a US citizen since the birth itself "IS subject to the jurisdiction therefore"
Unfortunately/fortunately when laws and amendments are created, each word and the sentence construction have HIGE legal interpretive implications.
Okay, that's deeper into 'Legalese' than I wish to go into. So let me just restate what I believe should be the guiding principle here:
Why not find and use a way to solve the "illegal aliens" problem - including those that were born here - by a route that does NOT open up potential Constitutional (14th Amendment) conflicts? What's wrong with that?
I understand what you're saying - that there *aren't* any conflicts. All I'm saying is why not make the point moot altogether? It wouldn't be that hard.
Last point: if there is any kind of legal issue - real or perceived - I guarantee you 100% that the Globalists will find and exploit it. Hey, *WE* opened the door! All I'm suggesting is, DON'T use that door, use another means.
Hotez, fauci, gates, fizer, FDA, CDC, HHS, DoD, NIH, WEF and a host of other murdering psychos will be swinging a bigger bat.
Trump won't ban the death jabs. Even on Nov 22nd he was still praising them.
You are absolutely kidding yourself if you think trump is going to stop these vaccines.
These are so so much bigger than any president.
No one’s ever stopping these.
You are actually gaslighting us into thinking there is some chance.
Sorry, the only BOOM I wanna hear, is the boom as all the worlds' mRNA factories are being levelled. Maybe Putin can be persuaded to aim an Oreshnik or two in their direction.
He won’t be able to stop mRNA shots - as they belong to the DOD, and he’s got no control of that department as President..
Well, he's The Commander In Chief.
Of course he can stop it, if he wants to that is.
I know I am asking for a miracle here as there are so many sheeples out there - people sleep walk into their own demise.
BUT, if ALL of us refused to be jabbed until Jan after 21st at the earliest, we will not get any extra sweetners in the vax. Bet on it, count on it, guarantee it, with this much notification of what the Don wants to do, they will go ape-sh!t with throwing all they can into the vax and seal your future - what you have left of it. Seen it and 2025 will have mass deaths dropping like flies and those who remain are walking fkin zombies.
Want to vax me - if they are military, bring a fkin gun and a hollow point bullet and I will do the X marks the spot between the eyes.
But before you do, I will tell you're murdering a Vets niece and one of the two Vets who was a war hero and was the first to receive the French "Croix_de_Guerre" (War Cross) Nice one boris! aren't you proud of yourself.
This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.
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Jan 20, 2011 · Writing about the Constitution’s guarantee of citizenship at birth for all children born on U.S. soil and “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States, Rep. Smith asserted: “during the debate on the 14th Amendment in 1866, a senator who helped draft the amendment said it would ‘not of course include persons born in the United ...
On top of a pardon, compensation for mental pain, physical pain, suffering and family destruction must be awarded. Then they must go after the DOJ for falsified information as well as Liz Chaney for manipulation and falsified information not allowing videos to be brought forth for evidence. This is not a properly running justice system and is sick with corruption. These judges, DA's and politicians need to be brought up on charges! Weponizing the justice system should never be used in a healthy free society!
Are you stupid or something? Why would self proclaimed Father of the Covid Vaccine - cough, cough not a vaccine but a bioweapon do away with what he calls the greatest accomplishment that saved millions of lives?
Yeah let’s see if he pardons the J6ers
Some people just don't get it, like you Marsha. And how do you get off spouting nonsense like "father of the covid vaccine"? It was the DoD, deep state and Fauci bioweapon. TDS is a real malady obviously.
its all this lame reverse psychology they use on them with both the msm and the alt media at the same time, but these Trumpers and q people can’t tell the difference between whats real and whats fake,
they’re easy to dupe because they think in extremes and opposites,
if its not red then it must be blue.
if the media hate him hes our guy.
he wants to save the children, hes our guy,
theyre not aressting me, theyre arresting you.
theyre not indicting me, theyre indicting you,
theyre indicting him, hes our guy.
these people who fall for this level of weak sauce reverse psychology mind control are beyond pathetic, this is the level that you would usually only be able to decieve children with. its ridiculous how gullible and reterded they all are
Trump gave himself the title “Father of the Vaccine” Trump commended Fauci and others of his Operation Warp Speed program his last day in office- delusional much you are.🤦♀️🤡