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DUANE HAYES's avatar

Like making a deal with Hamas? Like the cease fire Israel had with Hamas before Oct 7? Reagan destroyed the Iranian navy and they didn't give any more trouble after that. We should at least escort ships through the red sea, and any Houthis attacks repealed with full force, obliterated. Qur'an, "War is deceit" No way to make a deal with the devil Islamists.

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Michael G. Fons's avatar

I'm curious what your thoughts are regarding Israel's involvement in 9/11? Do you think that it was a false flag attack orchestrated by Israel as Chris Bollyn details in the video linked below, or do you believe the official story that it was Islamic terrorist? https://rumble.com/v3kehtc-tricked-into-war-israeli-zionist-government-was-behind-the-911-attack-septe.html

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DUANE HAYES's avatar

Any source that you look at, Bollyn hates Jews, period. He sure works hard to paint Jews as evil villains.

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Michael G. Fons's avatar

Bollyn lived in Israel for several years and had a Jewish girlfriend and does not hate Jews at all and is NOT a holocaust denier. The same Wikipedia and mainstream sources that you read that on also will tell you that COVID shots are super duper safe and effective. Why don't you watch the video and give me your opinion on it rather than parroting hit pieces you read about him from not-so-trusted sources?

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DUANE HAYES's avatar

I've actually watched entire videos suggested by my fellow debaters on these sites, and found some good and bad. So I'm open minded up to a point. When some nut job says that Israel did 9/11, that's the equivalent of saying the earth is flat, the moon landing was done in a hollywood studio, and I won't waste my time on such an outrageous lie. I don't know what Bollyn's problem is, but he should be locked up in a mental ward.

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PS, what's even more outrageous is that anyone would take his nonsense as legitimate, you should know better.

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Michael G. Fons's avatar

Israel has a long history of doing false flag attacks in order to get the US into war. Look into the USS Liberty, and the Lavone Affair. Even Wikipedia says they are false flag attacks. Bollyn sites news articles and other sources for every claim he makes in his book. https://www.amazon.com/Solving-9-11-Deception-Changed-World/dp/0985322586

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavon_Affair

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DUANE HAYES's avatar

Consider that if there were positive proof of Israel doing such a thing, then the United States wouldn't give them any support, ever again, and that would be their complete demise. Do you think they would risk this? Would they gamble like this knowing if they lost the bet, they'd all die? The radical Islamists would sweep into Israel, kill every person, if the United States dropped the support. No, this Bollyn is a complete fraud, every word he says.

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Michael G. Fons's avatar

Um, you do realize that there are staunch Zionist at the highest levels in US goverment right? . For instance, Judge Hellerstin https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/10/nyregion/judge-in-9-11-suits-feels-no-regret-that-none-ever-went-to-trial.html

Why don't you watch 5 min of his video and let me know if he says one thing that is factually incorrect?

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DUANE HAYES's avatar

NY Slimes wants me to subscribe to see the article. But I know that sure there are Jews in the United States and at all levels of our government. I don't know if they're "Zionists", but Zionism is not a bad thing, it's only the desire for a Jewish homeland. If you look at the middle east, Israel is only like 1.5 % of that land mass of Islamic-Arab lands, but many of the Muslims can't even stand Israel to use that microscopic piece of land. And the Jews were there centuries before Muhammad even existed. The colonizers are the Muslims, they wiped out the Christians in those territories, and created the Ottoman Empire, if not for the Europeans who fought back, all of Europe would have been conquered by the Moors, or Muslims. Today the Muslims are surely taking over Europe by migration, those European countries are willingly handing over their homelands and Christian cultures to them, it's one of the worlds greatest tragedies.

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Michael G. Fons's avatar

Ok, so how about you watch 5 min of one of Christopher Bollyn's videos and let me know if you can point out any falsehoods. You've wasted more time arguing with me than it would take to simply watch a few mins of his video. You find one false statement he makes then you can stop watching it and let me know what it is.

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DUANE HAYES's avatar

I hadn't heard of this Bollyn before. He denies the holocaust occurred.

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There have been insane theories about 9/11 that make zero sense and have no evidence. 9/11 was done by Saudi nationals, radical Islamic Jihadists. We know their names, have their DNA, the plane hit the towers, we have the fragments of the plane, DNA of all the victims of the plane passengers. We have the plans of 9/11 that Bin Laden himself did. Any theory that Israel did Oct 7 or 9/11 flies in the face of any common sense.

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