While I do like Dr. A ... he's dead wrong on this one. First, the Houthis reside in Yemen...which has had the shit bombed out of it by the Saudis (US)....killing tens of thousands. Yet, not a word of protest from others in the region and/or the US/EU. Next, Iran having a bomb is more of a local issue... and Israel has it covered. Seems t…
While I do like Dr. A ... he's dead wrong on this one. First, the Houthis reside in Yemen...which has had the shit bombed out of it by the Saudis (US)....killing tens of thousands. Yet, not a word of protest from others in the region and/or the US/EU. Next, Iran having a bomb is more of a local issue... and Israel has it covered. Seems to me that should Iran get the bomb, Israel will respond profoundly (if you know what I mean). Finally, this whole Gaza thing has gotten wayyy out of hand and should end. Yes, Hamas is evil (we'd all like them dead)...period, but there is more than meets the eye with this whole affair. Israel has not helped the local situation; and the local arabs can't stand the so-called Palestinians but none of this group want them all dead nor flooding into their countries. Furthermore, tens of thousands have been killed and the odds of eliminating Hamas are between nil to none (you can't kill an idea colaked in a theology). Even worse, Israel has guaranteed years of revenge from the survivors. So the whole thing is a mess. This of course begs the question should the US get sucked into another regional war? (BTW neither Russia and China are not interested - they just want access to oil.) Seriously, who benefits and how is Israel helped? We don't benefit (nor do we have the resources) and Israel is most likely now hurting itself. Is there a chance for a two state solution? Not in our lifetime. So it seems to me that once confronted by nothing but bad choices and outcomes, one should be looking for an off-ramp to regroup and figure-out a better way forward. All of this bombing and killing really serves no purpose. Ok, off of my soapbox. Where am I wrong? Pax
Where you're wrong is to deny Israel the right to defend themselves. Hamas has repeatedly stated that they NEVER intend to stop killing Jews, no matter what kind of deal or cease fire, Hamas will till their last dying Jihadist, continue to attack and murder innocent people. Israel has no choice at all, they have to eliminate as many Hamas as possible for their very survival.
Ahhh thanks for the Level One thinking. One would think Israel protecting itself was self-evident. Next, you do realize that Hamas was created by Israel to disrupt the PLA....oops! Continuing, Israel has not been treating the local "Palestinians" well at all and has seized land illegally. Sorry this is a know fact. Moving along, you really don't know about the middle east honor/dishonor ethos that is within the Arab DNA. My assertion that if Israel wants to eliminate every last jihadi in Gaza, they'll have to kill the entire population. The population in Gaza is mostly kids and young adults (there has been a baby boom in the region as the locals know demographics wins in the end) who have seen loved ones blown to bits. To date there have been over 30,000 Gazans killed...only a fraction of whom are Hamas. Needless to say much of the above group will be open to some form of revenge. ...so please explain how this works? And BTW at some point Iran will energize Hezbollah into the fight not to mention other Arab countries who will eventually say enough (this may even include Turkey). Again, so what is the pathway forward? If Israel wants to peruse the killing ... be my guest.... but this not America's fight. Personally, I want nothing but the best for Israel but the blood letting has gone on for too long. I'm going to use a talking point from the Dems "give peace a chance".... or at least detente. There is no winning formula at this time and we as a nation are not position to do much good - except find a way to construct an off-ramp. Pax
Israel just wants peace in the Middle East. A piece of the West Bank, piece of Gaza, piece of Syria, piece of Lebanon, piece of Jordan, piece of Syria, etc. In regards to who benefits by the US joining in the fight? It's Israel, and they want a bigger piece of the pie. It's called "greater Israel", and the Zionists don't have it all yet, and won't be satisfied until they do. That is why the US is occupying Syria, that's why the US went to war in Iraq, and that is the root cause of all of the problems in the region in my opinion. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Greater_israel.jpg
The problem is a radicalized Gazan population, and it will take years to correct. One idea is to have the United Arab Emirates take control of Gaza. Those figures "30,000" are Hamas propaganda. Honestly there are no easy solutions, but if Israel lays down it's arms, there will be no Israel.
I am not going to debate the numbers....suffice it to say that they're in the tens of thousands. Then again, does the number really matter? I think all can agree that too many have died in response to the evil inflicted upon Israel. Enough already. And no one is asking for Israel to lay down arms....quite the contrary. The real ask is for Israel to re-think its current strategy....realizing that the current one is a dead-end. Pax
Feel free to suggest another strategy, I'm sure Israel would like to hear any ideas. But the current strategy of wiping out every Hamas member sure sounds like a way to defeat the enemy. How did we defeat Japan? How did we defeat Germany? We bombed them into oblivion, it's about the only way to win a war.
Dude .... your ignorance is showing....please quit while you're behind. You obviously know precious little as to what went on during WWII. For starters the way to win a war is to convince the other side that to purse said endeavour is a dead-end strategy. We did a lot of that BUT it was Russia pressing on the eastern front that ultimately ended the war. Not the 8th Army (though they did contribute significantly). The Bomb was the real reason we won (and the belief that we had more) otherwise, Japan was prepared to fight on. What Israel should do now is to tone down the offensive and look for an off ramp. Many within Israel do not like the continuation of hostilities as they see bad things coming via the current strategy. Not a good leading indicator. Thus, Israel should take any reprise to regroup and play the long game. This unfortunately is just the beginning of a new series of violence within the region. Read my previous responses as to why. Pax
I'm fully aware of WW2. Yes Germany attacking Russia was their death knell. But D day, the allies wiped out the rest of Germany. We bombed the hell out of Dresden for example. And Japan surrendered when we bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki. This is what it might take for Israel to defeat Hamas, deal them such a severe blow that they realize they're done for and they surrender. In fact, most of this has already happened. At this point it might only be a mop up action for Israel to finish Hamas.
While I do like Dr. A ... he's dead wrong on this one. First, the Houthis reside in Yemen...which has had the shit bombed out of it by the Saudis (US)....killing tens of thousands. Yet, not a word of protest from others in the region and/or the US/EU. Next, Iran having a bomb is more of a local issue... and Israel has it covered. Seems to me that should Iran get the bomb, Israel will respond profoundly (if you know what I mean). Finally, this whole Gaza thing has gotten wayyy out of hand and should end. Yes, Hamas is evil (we'd all like them dead)...period, but there is more than meets the eye with this whole affair. Israel has not helped the local situation; and the local arabs can't stand the so-called Palestinians but none of this group want them all dead nor flooding into their countries. Furthermore, tens of thousands have been killed and the odds of eliminating Hamas are between nil to none (you can't kill an idea colaked in a theology). Even worse, Israel has guaranteed years of revenge from the survivors. So the whole thing is a mess. This of course begs the question should the US get sucked into another regional war? (BTW neither Russia and China are not interested - they just want access to oil.) Seriously, who benefits and how is Israel helped? We don't benefit (nor do we have the resources) and Israel is most likely now hurting itself. Is there a chance for a two state solution? Not in our lifetime. So it seems to me that once confronted by nothing but bad choices and outcomes, one should be looking for an off-ramp to regroup and figure-out a better way forward. All of this bombing and killing really serves no purpose. Ok, off of my soapbox. Where am I wrong? Pax
Where you're wrong is to deny Israel the right to defend themselves. Hamas has repeatedly stated that they NEVER intend to stop killing Jews, no matter what kind of deal or cease fire, Hamas will till their last dying Jihadist, continue to attack and murder innocent people. Israel has no choice at all, they have to eliminate as many Hamas as possible for their very survival.
Ahhh thanks for the Level One thinking. One would think Israel protecting itself was self-evident. Next, you do realize that Hamas was created by Israel to disrupt the PLA....oops! Continuing, Israel has not been treating the local "Palestinians" well at all and has seized land illegally. Sorry this is a know fact. Moving along, you really don't know about the middle east honor/dishonor ethos that is within the Arab DNA. My assertion that if Israel wants to eliminate every last jihadi in Gaza, they'll have to kill the entire population. The population in Gaza is mostly kids and young adults (there has been a baby boom in the region as the locals know demographics wins in the end) who have seen loved ones blown to bits. To date there have been over 30,000 Gazans killed...only a fraction of whom are Hamas. Needless to say much of the above group will be open to some form of revenge. ...so please explain how this works? And BTW at some point Iran will energize Hezbollah into the fight not to mention other Arab countries who will eventually say enough (this may even include Turkey). Again, so what is the pathway forward? If Israel wants to peruse the killing ... be my guest.... but this not America's fight. Personally, I want nothing but the best for Israel but the blood letting has gone on for too long. I'm going to use a talking point from the Dems "give peace a chance".... or at least detente. There is no winning formula at this time and we as a nation are not position to do much good - except find a way to construct an off-ramp. Pax
Israel just wants peace in the Middle East. A piece of the West Bank, piece of Gaza, piece of Syria, piece of Lebanon, piece of Jordan, piece of Syria, etc. In regards to who benefits by the US joining in the fight? It's Israel, and they want a bigger piece of the pie. It's called "greater Israel", and the Zionists don't have it all yet, and won't be satisfied until they do. That is why the US is occupying Syria, that's why the US went to war in Iraq, and that is the root cause of all of the problems in the region in my opinion. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Greater_israel.jpg
Love the play on words . 🍰& ☮️ . Good points .
Cute:
Root cause?
Accurate
Thx
No a viable strategy :-P
The problem is a radicalized Gazan population, and it will take years to correct. One idea is to have the United Arab Emirates take control of Gaza. Those figures "30,000" are Hamas propaganda. Honestly there are no easy solutions, but if Israel lays down it's arms, there will be no Israel.
I am not going to debate the numbers....suffice it to say that they're in the tens of thousands. Then again, does the number really matter? I think all can agree that too many have died in response to the evil inflicted upon Israel. Enough already. And no one is asking for Israel to lay down arms....quite the contrary. The real ask is for Israel to re-think its current strategy....realizing that the current one is a dead-end. Pax
Feel free to suggest another strategy, I'm sure Israel would like to hear any ideas. But the current strategy of wiping out every Hamas member sure sounds like a way to defeat the enemy. How did we defeat Japan? How did we defeat Germany? We bombed them into oblivion, it's about the only way to win a war.
Dude .... your ignorance is showing....please quit while you're behind. You obviously know precious little as to what went on during WWII. For starters the way to win a war is to convince the other side that to purse said endeavour is a dead-end strategy. We did a lot of that BUT it was Russia pressing on the eastern front that ultimately ended the war. Not the 8th Army (though they did contribute significantly). The Bomb was the real reason we won (and the belief that we had more) otherwise, Japan was prepared to fight on. What Israel should do now is to tone down the offensive and look for an off ramp. Many within Israel do not like the continuation of hostilities as they see bad things coming via the current strategy. Not a good leading indicator. Thus, Israel should take any reprise to regroup and play the long game. This unfortunately is just the beginning of a new series of violence within the region. Read my previous responses as to why. Pax
I'm fully aware of WW2. Yes Germany attacking Russia was their death knell. But D day, the allies wiped out the rest of Germany. We bombed the hell out of Dresden for example. And Japan surrendered when we bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki. This is what it might take for Israel to defeat Hamas, deal them such a severe blow that they realize they're done for and they surrender. In fact, most of this has already happened. At this point it might only be a mop up action for Israel to finish Hamas.
Yes
Bibi set them up
Thx
Dismissal had far exceeded its right to defend
End if subject
Grnocide id not defendable.
https://gellerreport.com/2024/01/why-is-nobody-accusing-hamas-of-genocide.html/?lctg=71126631
I believe that it is only Zionists that Hamas has a problem with.
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/20322/persecution-of-christians-december
https://townhall.com/columnists/pauldriessen/2024/01/05/hamas-terrorism-iint-self-defense-against-occupiers-n2633212?utm_source=thdaily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=nl&bcid=b9fcff148b98618d1add06a159bf45b0bf604d66644b557252122622aa6b3bc6&recip=25713777
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2023/12/hamas-senior-official-urges-muslims-we-need-violent-acts-against-america-everywhere
Hamas attacked and killed Americans and a dozen other nationalities Oct 7.
Were the Americans dual nationals, or singularly United States citizens?
Now it's up to 32 killed, and 14 unaccounted for, maybe captured by Hamas. They clearly aren't only mad at "Zionists"
https://abcnews.go.com/US/americans-killed-israel-hamas-war/story?id=103829720
Not sure, maybe a mix. 29 Americans killed
How come there are so many Hamasians (JFK). HAMAS?