Weight Watchers etc., all set up on knowing you will fail; moderation and common sense always, physically active lifestyle, energy in must=energy out...thats the formula; all diets, DIETING, will FAIL
Seriously? Are you kidding me? Doctor’s don’t want healthy patients, there’s no money or Big Harma kicks backs for them. They want you just well enough to get thru their doors, period.
The days of real doctors actually caring for their patients well being are long gone. What we have today are glorified drug pushers with a useless degree,who know absolutely nothing about real health and nutrition.
As a nurse practitioner I can tell you that’s a lie !! The problem is they don’t understand nutrition. Never taught and they are just as confused with all the fad diets. I don’t make money by keeping people sick. Unfortunately NO ONE wants to change their diet. They want the easy way out. If I had a dollar every time someone told me they are fat because they don’t eat enough or it’s their metabolism I would be a multi millionaire. They are good addicts and we do t have enough time in an office visit to deal with an addict. I HATE prescribing weight loss drugs and practically beg not to start. But people want to “jump start”. I teach intermittent fasting and Healthy keto. The ones that actually lists. Loose the weight and I encourage it ti be a lifestyle.
Sharon, I agree. People want a quick fix but what they often don't understand or want to understand is - it's just a bandaid approach to the the real problem. You need to move the body, eat healthy balanced meals, intermittent fasting, have a healthy mind (attitude), etc.
Except alcoholics in recovery can AVOID using alcohol. Drug addicts in recovery can AVOID using drugs. Food addicts MUST USE food to survive. Unless they'd be hospitalized & be fed via an IV. Some might opt for that choice.
I read a study some years ago -- one of the reasons people eat garbage is because their lives are not fulfilling ... they basically don't give a f789 so they just eat whatever they want - with zero concerns about the impact on their health.
Sorry. Weight control does not conform to energy in:energy out paradigm
Rather it hast to do with insulin control
Best to refer to Dr Jason Fung:
Keto and intermittent fasting
ALL “reduced calorie” diets fail. Time restricted feeding increases insulin sensitivity snd and reduces insulin secretion. Insulin secretion is the storage driver
I’m not sure that means it doesn’t conform to it. Might just mean there’s another variable. Probably means reducing calories is an inferior or incomplete path, yeah.
Sure, if you consume refined carbs, your caloric intake will be elevated
In addition, your insulin will skyrocket. Besides being the hormone that allows glucose to move out of bloodstream, insulin also promotes that glucose to move into cells.
It also mediates storage.
If you truly want a great in depth explanation, Read Fung’s “Diabetes Code”
You can. Thyroxin allows for some flexibility in your metabolism to “free wheel”, converting that excess energy to heat. So, yes, you’re correct but without that flexibility, you’d be bound to accounting for every single calorie. You can’t outrun your fork.
The system has much flexibility built into it starting with absorption and mediated by hormones including insulin, cortisol, grehlin, glucagon, and leptin
Have you seen that goofy cow who waddle dances while she sings a jingle about how it's easy to see the pharma is lowering her A1C, and how it's a little pill with a great big story to tell...?
Dollars to dimes, with all these commercials prattling about A1C, we will find lowered A1C holds as much validity as low cholesterol.
You nailed it John. They use these bullshit numbers to scare the hell out of you. Me, I have absolutely zero use for today’s medical profession. Unless a body part is hanging off, I be my own doc. I’m an avid follower of Hippocrates, “Let thy food be thy medicine and thy medicine be thy food “. 20 plus years and still healthy as a horse, lol 😂.
I had a ganglion on my ankle... I researched how to remove it -- bought a syringe ... swabbed the skin -- poked it in ... squeeze out the fluid... had to do it a couple of more times over the next few days... and now it's gone.
About 6 I guess...everyone is different but weight watchers wasn’t a scam when they just helped people get control of their portions. Now that they are pushing drugs - not sure what to think, but I never took any.
I am glad it worked for you. It always struck me as absurd and I still don't see any way it could be healthy or encourage healthy eating when the food itself
With weight watchers, last I knew, you don't buy prepackaged food. You make your own food. Meaning, if the food is crap, it's because you cooked that crap.
Either that, or you bought your Genuine Weight Watchers Ice Cream Novelties at Wal*Mart...
Weight Watchers has sold processed garbage for decades, just as I remembered.
And you gotta know nothing drops the pounds quicker than Ice Cream Novelties...
They do seem to have narrowed their range of offerings, but it hasn't been long since they sold a whole range of processed food. I don't now why they narrowed the range, likely they lost market position to the flood of competition.
If other people want to do it, it is their choice.
I am totally turned off by crap like " Lose Twenty Pounds Free", and I think it's ridiculous to pay anyone anything to stop being a glutton.
I can't begin to see it as something so complex as to require professional help.
They haven’t sold ice cream in years. Lol. Weight watchers has changed the foundations of its program more times then I can count in all honesty. They started off I think with a food purchase program and then switched to focus on actual calories and fats.
I had my success in the one that limited sugar - it’s not needed and isn’t good for me so cutting out that was the key.
I don't understand why people struggle with losing weight.
It's very simple - stop eating processed food and junk food (ever) -- and limit high carb foods (pasta etc)... do not drink sugary drinks (including cola and fruit juice)... limit alcohol intake --- and you will easily control your weight.
The problem is people want to eat that garbage -- they can't resist that sack of crisps every night with the soda .. they for some reason must have the bucket of KFC... the fries...
Easier said than done. The junque you describe is not food but are highly developed “industrial products” specifically developed in laboratories to appeal g to o certain sensors AND evade appastatic control.
Many people feel ill when they take the challenge - these are people who are addicted to processed high carb high sugar high salt diets. Going cold turkey on heroin makes one ill as well...
By the end of this -- you will defeat the science that makes you crave garbage - you will be eating clean and feeling more energy ...but most importantly - you will know which foods that you might have thought were good for you actually should be avoided... I do not strictly follow this perpetually -- but I do not deviate a whole lot.
I also try as much as possible to eat organic food -- I grow most of my vegetables year round. I buy meat from a premium butcher always grass fed (it's a bit more expensive - just reduce the portion size to make it work). I also have started deer hunting ... shot two last month and the meat is in my freezer --- no vaccines no pesticides (I hunt on a remote station that is not farmed) There are cattle on the station that escaped from farms... they are left alone to breed... vax free... I could shoot one of them the only issue is working out where to store all the meat... and I do not eat that much meat (maybe I will share with a couple of other people)
It never crosses my mind to eat KFC McDonalds etc... never. I think of it as poison - as garbage ...
Nah - it's the sloth ... gluttony .. the lack of any control whatsoever... the lack of the desire for excellence... weakness ... it's an excuse.. 'they made me do it'
We have a water purification and I have to dump 20kg bags of salt into it so one day I hoisted a sack of salt on my back and walked around the property - maybe 100m... just to imagine what it would be like to be 20kg overweight. It's brutal.
Surely that would provide all the motivation one needs to just avoid the aisle where the junk food is displayed in the grocery store... to drive past the fast food trash restaurants...
But nope .. gotta stuff more garbage down the maw... not my fault -- the flavouring people made me do it ... they are all powerful ... I am like a zombie under their spell.
Let's ditch the excuses -- sure they have made it easy and tasty -- but end of the day -- we make the call... the responsibility is personal
I've provided a way out -- will anyone take -- nope -- that's too hard.. no crisps for 21 days - are you crazy!!!
I like Dr. Fung, great advice and info. And yes, he’s one of the first that I’ve heard, regarding getting to the “root” of the problem. Which is unheard of today.
I lost 20lbs intermittent fasting and eating clean, healthy diet. My husband had high triglycerides & was pre diabetic. He takes Berberine and red rice yeast with coq10. Plus weight loss. Those numbers are in now in the normal range.
Awesome! Think of the serious dollars saved by taking care of it yourself. Plus you probably did a better job. Like you I avoid them at all costs. Today, we are actually more well informed to treat and cure ourselves than the charlatans out there.
Kudos to you on the ankle aspiration, your a brave soul.
That’s because the sugar industry paid off agencies to focus on fat and cholesterol to be the “ culprits “ for poor health . The doctors mainly focus on cholesterol, cholesterol, cholesterol and that is not the enemy.. it’s the sugars/refined carbohydrates. It’s hard to convince someone that the bread they are eating could be damaging their kidneys... they are so used to staying away from butter , eggs etc to lower their cholesterol which they are taught is the key to longevity.
I ran a very successful dental clinic for 45yrs. The practice was very focused on prevention, meaning we had to deal with the causes of patients’ dental disease which mostly was decay.
Dental Decay
Obesity
Type 2 Diabetes
Terminal kidney disease
ALL of above are metabolic/dietary diseases hinging on over consumption of carbs, refined carbs and too frequent feeding
Hi fructose corn syrup (HFC) is highly addictive due to the short and hard cycling of insulin which also induces a crash. The crash sets up a call for more. Its why people are eating multiple times thru the day.
Thank you… so very much!…….i am old so there is a good chance i could need dental work due to bone density loss, mostly….but i believe though I could be wrong, that the inserts of just about anything these days is a lie….A military doctor , a woman in charge of the pregnant women, found they were losing their babies and when she opened the inserts of the vac-cines at a conference by Senator Johnson (this was at least one year or more ago) the inserts of all the bottles were totally blank pieces of paper…I hope that you are right …… on another topic about APEEL, the toxin Bill Gates is coating most of our veggies and fruits with even organic, is labeled that it is safe (also the play on words)…..but anything that keeps a piece of fruit on the counter for weeks without decay cannot be safe and the predictions are of clogging the heart….my point is that we are being told it is safe but in the literature given to the government it says quite clearly that APEEL is very not safe…..sorry to take so much of your time….I truly appreciate your knowledge and passing it on…..thank you ….
NYT had an article not too long ago following some of the contestants of "The Biggest Loser" after the show. Doctors found that contestant's metabolism readjusted after weight loss to a new base metabolism rate which was much, much lower than they calculated. Simply adjusting calorie intake from the old larger body weight to the smaller body size missed the new actual metabolic rate by a mile. Contestants found they had to reduce their intake by another 40% if they didn't want to gain weight back. There's obviously much more to metabolism, weight loss, and obesity than we currently understand.
Also, fyi, the ingredient added to most yogurts and kefirs, Lactobacillus acidophilus, has been found in metastudies to contribute to obesity and significant weight gain. L. acidophilus is not necessary for fermentation, so why do they add it? Hmm, promote yogurt as a health food while fattening people at the same time? Couldn't be on purpose, could it?
Been up and down most my life. Five years ago lost 75lbs on Keto, mainly Carnivore now, no regain. Health is fantastic. Doctor is pissed, fuck him.
Amen! Congratulations!
Check out Fung’s “Obesity Code”
Now why would a doctor be pissed. He/she should be happy for a successful patient.
Seriously? Are you kidding me? Doctor’s don’t want healthy patients, there’s no money or Big Harma kicks backs for them. They want you just well enough to get thru their doors, period.
The days of real doctors actually caring for their patients well being are long gone. What we have today are glorified drug pushers with a useless degree,who know absolutely nothing about real health and nutrition.
They don't have much to worry about in terms of customers... look around at how most people are overweight with multiple chronic illnesses.
Big Food and Big Pharma in it together with s little help from their friends… Enter the FDA
As a nurse practitioner I can tell you that’s a lie !! The problem is they don’t understand nutrition. Never taught and they are just as confused with all the fad diets. I don’t make money by keeping people sick. Unfortunately NO ONE wants to change their diet. They want the easy way out. If I had a dollar every time someone told me they are fat because they don’t eat enough or it’s their metabolism I would be a multi millionaire. They are good addicts and we do t have enough time in an office visit to deal with an addict. I HATE prescribing weight loss drugs and practically beg not to start. But people want to “jump start”. I teach intermittent fasting and Healthy keto. The ones that actually lists. Loose the weight and I encourage it ti be a lifestyle.
Sharon, I agree. People want a quick fix but what they often don't understand or want to understand is - it's just a bandaid approach to the the real problem. You need to move the body, eat healthy balanced meals, intermittent fasting, have a healthy mind (attitude), etc.
Yes and unfortunately it is an addiction. It’s no different than an alcoholic or drug addict.
Except alcoholics in recovery can AVOID using alcohol. Drug addicts in recovery can AVOID using drugs. Food addicts MUST USE food to survive. Unless they'd be hospitalized & be fed via an IV. Some might opt for that choice.
Once upon a time, doctors were supposed to be elevating ur health
Big Pharma (who now trains the doctors) teaches a sick patient is a good patient hence the paradigm of treating symptoms instead of causes.
I heard Fung in a short interview state that he treated causes, not symptoms. First timeId heard a physician so state in 20 yrs!
Since I was on a “gentle” upward weight curve myself, he grabbed my attention!
Thank you 🙏🏼
Any doctor who offers drugs to lose weight ... should be beaten to death and fed to the pigs
People beg for them. Even give bad reviews. America is a bunch of food addicts.
The “food” isn’t food. As stated earlier, it’s industrial waste. It comes with a bar code which is another alarm.
Whole foods, found on the periphery of the Stupidmarket, are where it’s at
I read a study some years ago -- one of the reasons people eat garbage is because their lives are not fulfilling ... they basically don't give a f789 so they just eat whatever they want - with zero concerns about the impact on their health.
Can we call it slow suicide?
Sorry. Weight control does not conform to energy in:energy out paradigm
Rather it hast to do with insulin control
Best to refer to Dr Jason Fung:
Keto and intermittent fasting
ALL “reduced calorie” diets fail. Time restricted feeding increases insulin sensitivity snd and reduces insulin secretion. Insulin secretion is the storage driver
I’m not sure that means it doesn’t conform to it. Might just mean there’s another variable. Probably means reducing calories is an inferior or incomplete path, yeah.
Sure, if you consume refined carbs, your caloric intake will be elevated
In addition, your insulin will skyrocket. Besides being the hormone that allows glucose to move out of bloodstream, insulin also promotes that glucose to move into cells.
It also mediates storage.
If you truly want a great in depth explanation, Read Fung’s “Diabetes Code”
Simply reducing calories for "The Biggest Losers" after the contest failed to maintain the weight loss.
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/02/health/biggest-loser-weight-loss.html
Insulin plays a role in fat loss/storage. But you cannot violate the laws of thermodynamics.
You can. Thyroxin allows for some flexibility in your metabolism to “free wheel”, converting that excess energy to heat. So, yes, you’re correct but without that flexibility, you’d be bound to accounting for every single calorie. You can’t outrun your fork.
The system has much flexibility built into it starting with absorption and mediated by hormones including insulin, cortisol, grehlin, glucagon, and leptin
Exactly!!! That’s what I teach my patients. Unfortunately they are addicted to food !!!
Have you seen that goofy cow who waddle dances while she sings a jingle about how it's easy to see the pharma is lowering her A1C, and how it's a little pill with a great big story to tell...?
Dollars to dimes, with all these commercials prattling about A1C, we will find lowered A1C holds as much validity as low cholesterol.
You nailed it John. They use these bullshit numbers to scare the hell out of you. Me, I have absolutely zero use for today’s medical profession. Unless a body part is hanging off, I be my own doc. I’m an avid follower of Hippocrates, “Let thy food be thy medicine and thy medicine be thy food “. 20 plus years and still healthy as a horse, lol 😂.
I had a ganglion on my ankle... I researched how to remove it -- bought a syringe ... swabbed the skin -- poked it in ... squeeze out the fluid... had to do it a couple of more times over the next few days... and now it's gone.
I too will do whatever it takes to avoid doctors.
Lost over 100lbs on weight watchers...it isn’t a scam but you are personally responsible to not gorge once you lose what you want.
I lost a hundred pounds and I would never consider paying big money for portion controlled processed garbage.
How long have you kept it off? Twenty years, for me.
About 6 I guess...everyone is different but weight watchers wasn’t a scam when they just helped people get control of their portions. Now that they are pushing drugs - not sure what to think, but I never took any.
WW pushes drugs now?!?
Yes - they push Rx for weight loss.
Like the newer semiglutides?(sp?)
I am glad it worked for you. It always struck me as absurd and I still don't see any way it could be healthy or encourage healthy eating when the food itself
Is crap, regardless of how it is portioned.
With weight watchers, last I knew, you don't buy prepackaged food. You make your own food. Meaning, if the food is crap, it's because you cooked that crap.
Either that, or you bought your Genuine Weight Watchers Ice Cream Novelties at Wal*Mart...
Weight Watchers has sold processed garbage for decades, just as I remembered.
And you gotta know nothing drops the pounds quicker than Ice Cream Novelties...
They do seem to have narrowed their range of offerings, but it hasn't been long since they sold a whole range of processed food. I don't now why they narrowed the range, likely they lost market position to the flood of competition.
If other people want to do it, it is their choice.
I am totally turned off by crap like " Lose Twenty Pounds Free", and I think it's ridiculous to pay anyone anything to stop being a glutton.
I can't begin to see it as something so complex as to require professional help.
They haven’t sold ice cream in years. Lol. Weight watchers has changed the foundations of its program more times then I can count in all honesty. They started off I think with a food purchase program and then switched to focus on actual calories and fats.
I had my success in the one that limited sugar - it’s not needed and isn’t good for me so cutting out that was the key.
Nope. Never bought anything made for or by Weight Watchers.
Nice try though.
Wow. Congratulations. That’s fantastic.
👍
I don't understand why people struggle with losing weight.
It's very simple - stop eating processed food and junk food (ever) -- and limit high carb foods (pasta etc)... do not drink sugary drinks (including cola and fruit juice)... limit alcohol intake --- and you will easily control your weight.
The problem is people want to eat that garbage -- they can't resist that sack of crisps every night with the soda .. they for some reason must have the bucket of KFC... the fries...
They cannot say no to the marketing machine
Easier said than done. The junque you describe is not food but are highly developed “industrial products” specifically developed in laboratories to appeal g to o certain sensors AND evade appastatic control.
It’s sinister and deliberate
I find it quite easy.
When I go to the grocery store I don't buy any processed food -- therefore when I am home I do no eat any processed food.
I highly recommend weaning off this toxic shit by following the 21 Day Challenge Diet
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Many people feel ill when they take the challenge - these are people who are addicted to processed high carb high sugar high salt diets. Going cold turkey on heroin makes one ill as well...
By the end of this -- you will defeat the science that makes you crave garbage - you will be eating clean and feeling more energy ...but most importantly - you will know which foods that you might have thought were good for you actually should be avoided... I do not strictly follow this perpetually -- but I do not deviate a whole lot.
I also try as much as possible to eat organic food -- I grow most of my vegetables year round. I buy meat from a premium butcher always grass fed (it's a bit more expensive - just reduce the portion size to make it work). I also have started deer hunting ... shot two last month and the meat is in my freezer --- no vaccines no pesticides (I hunt on a remote station that is not farmed) There are cattle on the station that escaped from farms... they are left alone to breed... vax free... I could shoot one of them the only issue is working out where to store all the meat... and I do not eat that much meat (maybe I will share with a couple of other people)
It never crosses my mind to eat KFC McDonalds etc... never. I think of it as poison - as garbage ...
They struggle because they are addicted to food and junk. Bottom line.
Typical humans... don't expect much from a species that is burdened with this great 'intelligence'
It's not the marketing. It's the flavoring, natural or otherwise, that becomes addictive.
Nah - it's the sloth ... gluttony .. the lack of any control whatsoever... the lack of the desire for excellence... weakness ... it's an excuse.. 'they made me do it'
We have a water purification and I have to dump 20kg bags of salt into it so one day I hoisted a sack of salt on my back and walked around the property - maybe 100m... just to imagine what it would be like to be 20kg overweight. It's brutal.
Surely that would provide all the motivation one needs to just avoid the aisle where the junk food is displayed in the grocery store... to drive past the fast food trash restaurants...
But nope .. gotta stuff more garbage down the maw... not my fault -- the flavouring people made me do it ... they are all powerful ... I am like a zombie under their spell.
Let's ditch the excuses -- sure they have made it easy and tasty -- but end of the day -- we make the call... the responsibility is personal
I've provided a way out -- will anyone take -- nope -- that's too hard.. no crisps for 21 days - are you crazy!!!
I like Dr. Fung, great advice and info. And yes, he’s one of the first that I’ve heard, regarding getting to the “root” of the problem. Which is unheard of today.
Does he have his own web site?
I lost 20lbs intermittent fasting and eating clean, healthy diet. My husband had high triglycerides & was pre diabetic. He takes Berberine and red rice yeast with coq10. Plus weight loss. Those numbers are in now in the normal range.
Awesome! Think of the serious dollars saved by taking care of it yourself. Plus you probably did a better job. Like you I avoid them at all costs. Today, we are actually more well informed to treat and cure ourselves than the charlatans out there.
Kudos to you on the ankle aspiration, your a brave soul.
Are these the drugs that give one pancreatic cancer after a few years? My nephew has decided to take it.
Tell ur nephew to check my remarks above
I will. Again than you very much. 🙏🏼
That’s because the sugar industry paid off agencies to focus on fat and cholesterol to be the “ culprits “ for poor health . The doctors mainly focus on cholesterol, cholesterol, cholesterol and that is not the enemy.. it’s the sugars/refined carbohydrates. It’s hard to convince someone that the bread they are eating could be damaging their kidneys... they are so used to staying away from butter , eggs etc to lower their cholesterol which they are taught is the key to longevity.
“Sweet and Dangerous “, John Yudkin. Circa 1976. Yudkin vs Ancel Keys
🙌
I ran a very successful dental clinic for 45yrs. The practice was very focused on prevention, meaning we had to deal with the causes of patients’ dental disease which mostly was decay.
Dental Decay
Obesity
Type 2 Diabetes
Terminal kidney disease
ALL of above are metabolic/dietary diseases hinging on over consumption of carbs, refined carbs and too frequent feeding
Connect the dots
Yep - the mob can't help themselves... they have no control -- they just stuff garbage into the maw day after day -- year after year
Hi fructose corn syrup (HFC) is highly addictive due to the short and hard cycling of insulin which also induces a crash. The crash sets up a call for more. Its why people are eating multiple times thru the day.
HFC is poison. Not sure why people eat and drink 'food' with that ingredient.
I suppose they just don't give a f789
Did you know that there is graphine oxide and mRNA in novocaine now?
I’ve heard that. I belong to a Telegram group of Awake Dentists. Some have checked but are unable to verify in either direction, yet.
I’ve retired. 1 1/2yrs
I think it’s unlikely. Personal opinion, labelled as such
Thank you… so very much!…….i am old so there is a good chance i could need dental work due to bone density loss, mostly….but i believe though I could be wrong, that the inserts of just about anything these days is a lie….A military doctor , a woman in charge of the pregnant women, found they were losing their babies and when she opened the inserts of the vac-cines at a conference by Senator Johnson (this was at least one year or more ago) the inserts of all the bottles were totally blank pieces of paper…I hope that you are right …… on another topic about APEEL, the toxin Bill Gates is coating most of our veggies and fruits with even organic, is labeled that it is safe (also the play on words)…..but anything that keeps a piece of fruit on the counter for weeks without decay cannot be safe and the predictions are of clogging the heart….my point is that we are being told it is safe but in the literature given to the government it says quite clearly that APEEL is very not safe…..sorry to take so much of your time….I truly appreciate your knowledge and passing it on…..thank you ….
Cut out carbs, sugar and veg oils. Eat meat, eggs and vegetables only. Your weight will never be a problem.
All diets have one thing in common: for the time of use, people on diets WATCH what and how much they eat.
Diets do NOT fail. They work for as long as people stay on them, meaning watch what and how much they eat.
NYT had an article not too long ago following some of the contestants of "The Biggest Loser" after the show. Doctors found that contestant's metabolism readjusted after weight loss to a new base metabolism rate which was much, much lower than they calculated. Simply adjusting calorie intake from the old larger body weight to the smaller body size missed the new actual metabolic rate by a mile. Contestants found they had to reduce their intake by another 40% if they didn't want to gain weight back. There's obviously much more to metabolism, weight loss, and obesity than we currently understand.
Also, fyi, the ingredient added to most yogurts and kefirs, Lactobacillus acidophilus, has been found in metastudies to contribute to obesity and significant weight gain. L. acidophilus is not necessary for fermentation, so why do they add it? Hmm, promote yogurt as a health food while fattening people at the same time? Couldn't be on purpose, could it?
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/02/health/biggest-loser-weight-loss.html
Two Nobel Prizes in Economics have been awarded to behaviourists: to Kahneman in early 2000s and Thaler a few years ago. Will they be retracted?
https://www.thebehavioralscientist.com/articles/behavioral-economics-reading-list-replication-failures-critical-views