I'd like to see the US take control of all of Israel (including the West Bank and Gaza) then split it into two countries, Israel and Palestine based on the 1947 UN Partition Plan borders.
I'd like to see the US take control of all of Israel (including the West Bank and Gaza) then split it into two countries, Israel and Palestine based on the 1947 UN Partition Plan borders.
That will never happen. Gazan coastal real estate is very valuable. It would be ideal for condos, casinos, strip clubs, brothels and US style gay bath houses. Think of the tourism potential. In addition, the US and Israel are grasping for the Gazan gas deposits valued at an estimated $500B. They will also want to depopulate the West Bank where the Meged oil and gas field is largely situated. The value of the estimated 1.5 billion barrel field was put at $99 billion some years ago. The US under Israel's direction will want to grab that. The preferred way would probably be to do to the Palestinians what the Turks did to the Armenians. However, that would be difficult to cover up. So they need some other pretext. Causing starvation or chronic disease may be the method of choice.
The last sentence is sad. I don't like the idea at all. Why doesn't the US spend money on rebuilding all the disasters the Leftists have caused in our country.
Muslims, Christians and Jews lived peacefully in Palestine before 1947 and the Balfour Declaration bring introduced. Who gave the Rothchilds the right to take away Palestine and give it to others and kill many of the people living there? It was the Rothchilds and the UN. You need to read some history please. ЁЯЗиЁЯЗж
They are the Indigenous people there, the descendants of people who have lived there for millennia. They are, quite possibly, the people most related to the ancient Israelites. Unlike those who run the apartheid state, they have no genetic connection to Europe.
Thanks, that is an excellent description. I have Ashkenazi Jewish ancestry from my father's side, and Ashkenazi Jews have no genetic ties to Israel at all whatsoever. European Jews aka Ashkenazi Jews are descended from the Kharzas, who converted to Judaism around 700-800 AD. Considering that many of the indigenous people aka Palestinians have been living in that area for millennia, I'd say that they have more rights to the land than European Ashkenazi Jews from eastern Europe and New York City.
It would be hard to label you an "antisemite," which scoundrels often do when people tell the truth, as you do. You have very sound moral reasoning and are obviously a very decent human being.
What happened on October 7 in Israel was terrible, but Israel has a history of carrying out false flag attacks and blaming them on others. Operation Susannah, which is well documented historically is one example. Thus, some suspect that HAMAS was infiltrated by Israel intelligence who actually planned and carried out the October 7 attack.
I am reminded of the comments on another stack by someone called "Lakeshore," who intimated that he or she also had some Ashkenazi ancestry, saying that he or she really didn't understand how the events of WWII in Europe " ... gave permission for Irgun Stern and Haganah to displace 1M Palestinian Christian Muslim and non-Zionist Jews during the Nakba, of which 30-50,000 died, and then declare themselves a country, when the Balfour Declaration specially forbade this. WouldnтАЩt Jews have been much safer migrating to America until some deeper mutual and voluntary agreement could have been arranged with the Arab Nations? ItтАЩs not clear to me that Islamic extremism even existed as a defined phenomenon before the 1917 migration started into Palestine. Is there any room at all to ask the question to what extent the political movement known of as Zionism has contributed to bad feelings toward the Jewish people?"
Israel was warned days before the attack, but still somehow got caught off guard. Only two possibilities are that their border guards were completely incompetent or that it was allowed to happen. I don't think they are incompetent. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67082047
thank you for this debate, and keeping it nice and peaceful and educational...my view always is we all have opinions and does not make us bad people...we must respect opinions and go from there to unpack the issue
Thanks, and don't forget 9/11, which also seems to have been an Israeli orchestrated false flag attack. Or, the assignation of JFK, which I believe was likely orchestrated by Israeli intelligence, and carried out with the help of the Jewish mob, their friends in the Italian mob, as well as Israel supporters within the CIA/FBI. Also, J Edger Hoover was blackmailed by Jewish mob leader, Meyer Lansky. I believe he had a picture of Hoover sucking another guy's you know what. So, that could have been used to persuade Hoover to take part. I recently read the book, "The letters of JFK", and the author of that book seems to think that Israel is responsible for the assignation becuase JFK sent several letters to Israeli Prime Minister, Ben-Gurion, demanding that they stop their nuclear testing and allow for nuclear inspections. Here's a video of author talking about it. https://www.instagram.com/daizygedeon/reel/C5dSv9JMRfO/?hl=en
this is such a vexing issue and I am withholding entering with my views so that we all can exchange...my dog in this fight is so that innocents do not die
As Michael references false flag attacks: the Israelis pioneered them in our times:
1. 1946 The King David attack by the Irgun, disguised as Arabs, where later Menachem Begin boasted to have been the FIRST terrorist in the world
2. 1954 The Lavon Affair, where Jews, disguised as Arabs attacked American assests in Egypt, to provoke US involvement
3. 1967 The USS Liberty attack just north of Alexandria by Israeli Mirage III fighters and gun boats without identification, with the intent to sink it and blame Egypt for it, with President Johnson's consent
4. 2001 Twin Tower attacks, disguised as Islamist terrorism, executed by Israel & US, Silverstein best friend of Netanyahu, dancing Mossad agents in NY, 200 Israelis arrested, then released (Carl Cameron report), etc., etc., etc. too much to list
Bibi Netanyahu:
тАЬDemocracies don't go to war easily. They usually debate and argue. Sometimes they have to be bombed into going to war.тАЭ
тАЬIf you don't pay attention to the Islamic problem, the next thing you see is militant Islam is bringing down the World Trade CenterтАЭ 1995
5. 2023, Oct. 7 Israel knew beforehand, withdrew all troops, Israel founded and funded Hamas (google it)
Kennedy was sympathetic to the Arabs, did not agree to a Eretz Israel (Greater Israel), inquired about the Israeli atomic weapons program and the theft of nuclear material from the US to Israel, wanted to register AIPAC as a foreign influence organization: he had to go. Jacob Leon Rubinstein eliminated the crucial witness, Oswald.
Before 1948 the people who lived in that region had Palestinian passports, and that land was labeled as Palestine on maps (For instance, look up the National Geographic 1947 map). While there are a small percentage of people living in Gaza who have dual Palestinian/Egyptian citizenship, the majority of them don't.
Well, at the beginning of the 20th Century, Palestine was part of the Ottoman Empire. And as Theodor Herzl envisioned a great war to change that, indeed the staged (hint, hint...) assassination of the Austrian crown prince by a communist, was the desired push into the great conflagration, with, by the way, the German Kaiser pleading for peace with Britain, France and his cousin the Russian Czar til the end, to no avail, and being the last of the involved European countries to mobilize the German armed forces.
So then the Balfour Declaration to Lionel Rothschild could be realized, as the Ottoman Empire lost control of Palastine to the British.
Yes, Palestine was part of the Ottoman Empire from 1516 to 1917. It was called Filistin during that time. Then it became under British control from1917 to 1947. While it was under British control it was called Palestine, and people were given Palestinian passports.
How about you look at the historic maps in your Bible. There was no тАЬPalestineтАЭ on any of them. There was a тАЬPhilistineтАЭ, but that was NOT the same people at all. The name тАЬPalestineтАЭ was given to the land of Israel by the Romans. They hated Israel, and hated that name, so they changed it. Many who lived in Israel at that time were Jews, and they ALSO, were considered тАЬPalestiniansтАЭ after the Romans gave the land that name. Look it up.
You might want to read this. It explains a lot of it.
DNA investigation has shown that the people known as "Palestinians" are the only group in the world with DNA descending from remains dug up from original settlements. IOW, they're the "original Jews." Over the years, as conquerors came and went, some converted to Christianity or, more recently, Islam. The people who live in Israel today show DNA linkeage with Central Asian Caucasians-East Europeans. Netanyahu's lineage, e.g., is Polish. I referenced the sources in one of my Substacks. You can easily use a more independent search engine like Yandex to confirm my statements. I'm shocked to see some people reply in Substacks still using Google search which is heavily censored and skewed.
No, they are NOT the original Jews. They are ARABS, who yes, were Semitic. However, they were descended from ISHMAEL, NOT from Isaac. Ishmael was AbrahamтАЩs illegitimate first son, whose mother was an Egyptian. The Israelites were descended from Isaac and Jacob. There is clearly SO much you just donтАЩt know.
Also, Joseph married an Egyptian, so his descendants have Egyptian blood in them, but they are STILL Israelites.
Ah, dear lady. Your interpretation rests solely upon history as dictated by the group who professes such "historical facts." How correct is the literature on this question? I would say, at this time in the 21st century, such "history" is rubbish. I believe scholarly writings have pointed again and again and again to the questionable origin and nature of texts called "The Old Testament" and "Bible." You have no idea who wrote them; who edited them; who excluded other pieces of literature from such volumes; indeed, you have no authenticated trail of linkage to such people. The world has changed and shifted constantly since those times, and you have no way of knowing except through your BELIEF in such literature. You are more than entitled to your belief, but that's all it is: a BELIEF which you have no right to impose on others.
Agree. The Israel of today was created by the Rothschilds in 1948. The Zionists dba UN/WHO/WEF originated as Ashkenazi in N. Turkey then migrated to Khazaria, current day Ukraine, where they converted to Judaism in the 8 or 9c for political reasons, not religious beliefs/faith. TheyтАЩre the Khazarian Mafia and increased in power as the Bolsheviks, then Rothschilds (Ashkenazi Jews) and Rockefellers (Sephardic Jews). They follow the Babylonian Talmud and practice Kabbalah (Jewish dark mysticism).
The Ashkenazi are descendants of NoahтАЩs great grandson Ashkenaz through his son Japheth (Genesis 10:3; I Chronicles 1:6) and not of the Messianic lineage through NoahтАЩs son Shem.
The Zionists are the false Jews, synagogue of Satan, in Revelation 2:9 and Revelation 3:9.
The other quite interesting characteristic they share is that they believe themselves quite separate from humanity. They believe themselves so far superior as to possess "the right" to herd, regulate, and govern humanity. IOW, "the divine right of kings." Of course, we look at current royalty in the limelight and see abominably genetically inferior people like Charles III. Their bloodlines are dissipating from far too much interbreeding. The only characteristic which has developed to a far superior level is the utter ruthlessness and cruelty which the Asiatic Khazars--cum European via rape/marriage to Northern Europeans--displayed so abundantly.
Writers call such people by many names such as Black Nobility; Jesuits; Merovingians; etc. These people today are reflected in the WEF Clique (technocratic oligarchs) which approaches humanity as simply too stupid to govern themselves. They nicely avoid the truth which is that their transnational corporations and thirst for power have led to the gutting and pillaging of natural assets from every country worldwide thereby depriving citizens of just development and reward for themselves. With this disparity comes pollution; destabilization of populations; famines; wars; and so forth.
тАЬThe only characteristic which has developed to a far superior level is the utter ruthlessness and cruelty which the Asiatic Khazars--cum European via rape/marriage to Northern Europeans--displayed so abundantly.тАЭ
What you describe is the Khazarian Mafia which furthered its power, influence and cruelty as the Bolsheviks, Rothschilds (Ashkenazi Jews) and Rockefellers (Sephardic Jews) and are now known as the Zionists dba UN/WHO/WEF. The Ashkenazi Jews are the Khazarian Mafia that became the Zionists.
They follow the Babylonian Talmud, Rabbinical teachings that originated with the Pharisees, in which itтАЩs revealed that they believe themselves so far superior as to possess "the right" to herd, regulate, and govern humanity. The Talmud refers to non-Jews/Gentiles as goyim or cattle and states that the Jews may lie to, steal from and kill the non-Jews without consequence. The Talmud also states that a Jewish man may marry a female child of 3yo plus one day and that her hymen will grow back. And that a Jewish man may sodomize a male child less than 9yo. Yahshua rightly rebuked the Pharisees as from their father the devil.
The Ashkenazi are descendants of NoahтАЩs great grandson Ashkenaz (Genesis 10:3; I Chronicles 1:6), not descended from the Messianic lineage through NoahтАЩs son Shem. TheyтАЩre converts to Judaism, not true Jews. They are not the Chosen people. TheyтАЩre imposters. The Zionist Ashkenazi Khazar Jews are the false Jews YHWH warns of in Revelation 2:9 and Revelation 3:9.
I think the Rothschilds preceded the Bolsheviks. The family was known in Illuminati era Germany, before Napoleonic era. The Bolsheviks came out of the era of the publication of the Communist Manifesto in 1848.
Yes the Mileikowski (Netanyahu) family are Polish. Do you happen to know what their relationship was to "Pi┼Вsudski's Colonels," the military dictatorship that governed Poland in 1939 and was attacking and harassing ethnic Germans in Silesia, East Prussia and other German areas under Polish occupation prior to Germany taking those lands back in 2939. Were the attacks on the ethnic Germans a provocation designed to trigger a response that could be used as a casus belli to start WWII? Did the Netanyahu family have any role in starting WW2? approximately 60 million people, most or many of whom were Christians, were killed in that war.
He is Jewish. Yes, his family was in Poland, but go back even further. When the Israelites were driven out of Israel into exile, a lot them went to eastern Europe and settled there. Some settled in the area of Ashkenaz, which is why they are called "Ashkenazi Jews", but they are not descended from Ashkenaz, who was descended from Noah's son, Japheth.
The problem is that so many of you have just not studied the history of the Jews way back to when GOD first renamed Jacob with the name of Israel. That's where the name for the LAND of Israel originated. That land is the HOLY land, and GOD owns it, and GOD gave it to the Jews.
Study where all the tribes went when they were exiled from their land. Then study where GOD says he will be bringing them BACK to their land, and will be reuniting ALL TWELVE of the tribes. It's all in your Bible, and many texts written over the years document this too.
You're wrong, the Palestinians have lived there for thousands of years, Netanyahu kicked them out so his ilk could live in the region. "Israel" of today was started in 1948.
No, that's not true. Israelites can be traced back over 3,500 years, to when GOD renamed Jacob with the name of "Israel". That land was already promised to Abraham BEFORE that even happened. The name Israelite is well explained in the Bible as the people of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. No other people who did not descend from those three in that order can be called Israelite by birth.
The name Palestine never even existed until just about 60 years ago. Even Jews were considered Palestinians at one point. It was ROME that gave that name to the land of Israel, because they didn't like the name Israel, who they always hated. Go read some REAL history. It's all there.
Netanyahu and his ilk are NOT Israelites, they are from Europe, Netanyahu isn't even his real last name. You really have to do reattach on this, this land was taken up in 1948, it is NOT the Israel of the Bible. Please stop saying it is, you are 100% wrong. Is your REAL history from the Schofield Bible, if so, its propaganda written by a jew who wanted to confuse the Christians, those are now zionist christians.
Sorry, but youтАЩre just wrong. You clearly donтАЩt want to know the truth. That land IS the Israel of the Bible, and it belongs to GOD, and GOD gave it to the Israelites as their inheritance.
And you need to get over your fixation on Netanyahu. He is just ONE man. You are wrong about him, and you are wrong to reject ALL of Israel because of your hate for ONE MAN.
It seems maybe YOU are going from the Schofield Bible. IтАЩm not a Christian, and I donтАЩt use that Bible. I use the Tanach, the HEBREW Bible.
Palestinians were also mentioned in the Bible. They were called Canaanites and Philistines in the Bible. In case you didn't notice, the word Palestine is derived from Philistine.
Actually, no, Palestinians are NOT mentioned in the Bible. You're mixing that up with the Philistines, who were NOT the Palestinians. The name "Palestine" was given to the land of Israel by the Romans about 60 or so years ago, and it applied to ALL people living in Israel at that time. That included the Jews as well as the Arabs. The Canaanites where the people who were very pagan, idol worshipers, who GOD drove out of that land. Those people were not Arabs. The people in the land right now, who call themselves Palestinians, are Arabs. They are descended from Ishmael, the illegitimate first son of Abraham. They have nothing to do with the Philistines.
I agree that they could be referred to as Israelis since they were born within what is considered "greater Israel", though Israel has refused to give the people of Gaza and the West Bank Israeli citizenship, and they are subjected to military law as opposed to civilian law. So, I think referring to them as Palestinian is more accurate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_citizens_of_Israel "In the wake of the 1948 Palestine war, the Israeli government conferred Israeli citizenship upon all Palestinians who had remained or were not expelled. However, they were subject to discrimination by being placed under martial law until 1966, while other Israeli citizens were not."
Wikipedia said all remaining Palestinians were given citizenship after 1948, so how did some lose it, or is Wikipedia incorrect? There is a point in law, that for a state to treat similarly situated people differently is a crime. Their relative numbers in the total population notwithstanding, the two-state solution was supposed to fix that problem.
Please note that Wikipedia article is talking about Palestinian Arabs within Israel proper, not the West Bank or Gaza. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_citizenship_law "those resident in the West Bank and Gaza Strip are largely considered stateless." meaning they don't have Israeli citizenship.
Actually YOU better check some history on that. There is no "Palestine", so there is no Palestinian Passport. Check out the Green Prince. His real name is Mosab Hassan Yousef. He was the son of one of the founders of Hamas. He explains how all the people in The West Bank have Jordanian citizenship, and the people in Gaza have Egyptian citizenship. There is no Palestine. There is no Palestinian government, and no official passports for those people.
I am very interested in learning and sharing but fascinated when people share information...I find it is marvelous to be able to update your thinking based on good information shared
Palestinians were mentioned in the Bible. They were called Canaanites and Philistines in the Bible. The word Palestine is derived from "Philistia," which was the ancient Greek and Roman name for the land of the Philistines.
Al Masri is the most common last name and it means the egyptian, Arafat was born in Egypt they're no different from any other Arabs of which there are 22.5 countries and 57 Islamic countries only two of which are functional democracies far far away from the Middle East
Arafat's parents were born in Palestine. While Al Masri is a common last name in Palestine, it is not the most common last name. The following last names are more common than Al-Masri in Gaza and the West Bank according to AI (Last names starting with Abu, like Abu-Amr, Abu-Ali, Abu-Baker, Abu-Khali, Abu-Sultan), Hamdan, and Khatib.
Many, if not most of the Arabs in the West Bank, Gaza, and Israel (aka Palestinians) are indigenous to that region, and have descendants who have lived in that region for hundred to thousands of years.
Here's one source that says that both Palestinians and Jews are genetically related to ancient caninities who lived on that land. Please note that the Jews they are referring to are Mizrahi Jews, which are Middle Eastern Jews, and not Ashkenazi Jews aka European Jews. I have Ashkenazi Jewish ancestry on my dad's side, and Ashkenazi Jews are descended from the Kharzas, who converted to Judaism around 700-800 AD, and have no ancestral ties to Israel. https://english.tau.ac.il/news/canaanites
I'd like to see the US take control of all of Israel (including the West Bank and Gaza) then split it into two countries, Israel and Palestine based on the 1947 UN Partition Plan borders.
That will never happen. Gazan coastal real estate is very valuable. It would be ideal for condos, casinos, strip clubs, brothels and US style gay bath houses. Think of the tourism potential. In addition, the US and Israel are grasping for the Gazan gas deposits valued at an estimated $500B. They will also want to depopulate the West Bank where the Meged oil and gas field is largely situated. The value of the estimated 1.5 billion barrel field was put at $99 billion some years ago. The US under Israel's direction will want to grab that. The preferred way would probably be to do to the Palestinians what the Turks did to the Armenians. However, that would be difficult to cover up. So they need some other pretext. Causing starvation or chronic disease may be the method of choice.
I agree that the chances of that happening are slim to none.
yes
The last sentence is sad. I don't like the idea at all. Why doesn't the US spend money on rebuilding all the disasters the Leftists have caused in our country.
We are seeing Bible Prophesy are we not???
<*}}}< John 17; Romans 8; Hebrews 11; Acts 17:11; Colossians 3:1-17; 2 Timothy 2:12; James 5; Revelation 19-22
potentially
Asking the same question.
Nope. These are NOT Palestinians and as such are NOT entitled to Israeli property. Palestine was an AraFAT social construct.
I want this article to drive good debate, not hate...
thank you Edward...
Muslims, Christians and Jews lived peacefully in Palestine before 1947 and the Balfour Declaration bring introduced. Who gave the Rothchilds the right to take away Palestine and give it to others and kill many of the people living there? It was the Rothchilds and the UN. You need to read some history please. ЁЯЗиЁЯЗж
Good point.
LOL If the people in Gaza and the West Bank aren't Palestinian, what nationality are they?
I want the debate and ask us to keep it nice and civil for we learn...thank you all...love you all
They are the Indigenous people there, the descendants of people who have lived there for millennia. They are, quite possibly, the people most related to the ancient Israelites. Unlike those who run the apartheid state, they have no genetic connection to Europe.
Thanks, that is an excellent description. I have Ashkenazi Jewish ancestry from my father's side, and Ashkenazi Jews have no genetic ties to Israel at all whatsoever. European Jews aka Ashkenazi Jews are descended from the Kharzas, who converted to Judaism around 700-800 AD. Considering that many of the indigenous people aka Palestinians have been living in that area for millennia, I'd say that they have more rights to the land than European Ashkenazi Jews from eastern Europe and New York City.
very informative here, it is important we try to discuss this rationally and civilly...this is good information and makes you credible in the debate
It would be hard to label you an "antisemite," which scoundrels often do when people tell the truth, as you do. You have very sound moral reasoning and are obviously a very decent human being.
What happened on October 7 in Israel was terrible, but Israel has a history of carrying out false flag attacks and blaming them on others. Operation Susannah, which is well documented historically is one example. Thus, some suspect that HAMAS was infiltrated by Israel intelligence who actually planned and carried out the October 7 attack.
I am reminded of the comments on another stack by someone called "Lakeshore," who intimated that he or she also had some Ashkenazi ancestry, saying that he or she really didn't understand how the events of WWII in Europe " ... gave permission for Irgun Stern and Haganah to displace 1M Palestinian Christian Muslim and non-Zionist Jews during the Nakba, of which 30-50,000 died, and then declare themselves a country, when the Balfour Declaration specially forbade this. WouldnтАЩt Jews have been much safer migrating to America until some deeper mutual and voluntary agreement could have been arranged with the Arab Nations? ItтАЩs not clear to me that Islamic extremism even existed as a defined phenomenon before the 1917 migration started into Palestine. Is there any room at all to ask the question to what extent the political movement known of as Zionism has contributed to bad feelings toward the Jewish people?"
some are whispering that Oct 7 was inside job exactly to arrive us at this development phase? can you wrap your head around that?
Israel was warned days before the attack, but still somehow got caught off guard. Only two possibilities are that their border guards were completely incompetent or that it was allowed to happen. I don't think they are incompetent. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67082047
thank you for this debate, and keeping it nice and peaceful and educational...my view always is we all have opinions and does not make us bad people...we must respect opinions and go from there to unpack the issue
Thanks, and don't forget 9/11, which also seems to have been an Israeli orchestrated false flag attack. Or, the assignation of JFK, which I believe was likely orchestrated by Israeli intelligence, and carried out with the help of the Jewish mob, their friends in the Italian mob, as well as Israel supporters within the CIA/FBI. Also, J Edger Hoover was blackmailed by Jewish mob leader, Meyer Lansky. I believe he had a picture of Hoover sucking another guy's you know what. So, that could have been used to persuade Hoover to take part. I recently read the book, "The letters of JFK", and the author of that book seems to think that Israel is responsible for the assignation becuase JFK sent several letters to Israeli Prime Minister, Ben-Gurion, demanding that they stop their nuclear testing and allow for nuclear inspections. Here's a video of author talking about it. https://www.instagram.com/daizygedeon/reel/C5dSv9JMRfO/?hl=en
this is such a vexing issue and I am withholding entering with my views so that we all can exchange...my dog in this fight is so that innocents do not die
As Michael references false flag attacks: the Israelis pioneered them in our times:
1. 1946 The King David attack by the Irgun, disguised as Arabs, where later Menachem Begin boasted to have been the FIRST terrorist in the world
2. 1954 The Lavon Affair, where Jews, disguised as Arabs attacked American assests in Egypt, to provoke US involvement
3. 1967 The USS Liberty attack just north of Alexandria by Israeli Mirage III fighters and gun boats without identification, with the intent to sink it and blame Egypt for it, with President Johnson's consent
4. 2001 Twin Tower attacks, disguised as Islamist terrorism, executed by Israel & US, Silverstein best friend of Netanyahu, dancing Mossad agents in NY, 200 Israelis arrested, then released (Carl Cameron report), etc., etc., etc. too much to list
Bibi Netanyahu:
тАЬDemocracies don't go to war easily. They usually debate and argue. Sometimes they have to be bombed into going to war.тАЭ
тАЬIf you don't pay attention to the Islamic problem, the next thing you see is militant Islam is bringing down the World Trade CenterтАЭ 1995
5. 2023, Oct. 7 Israel knew beforehand, withdrew all troops, Israel founded and funded Hamas (google it)
Kennedy was sympathetic to the Arabs, did not agree to a Eretz Israel (Greater Israel), inquired about the Israeli atomic weapons program and the theft of nuclear material from the US to Israel, wanted to register AIPAC as a foreign influence organization: he had to go. Jacob Leon Rubinstein eliminated the crucial witness, Oswald.
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They are Egyptians. They all hold Egyptian Passports. There is no such place as Palestine. Never was.
Before 1948 the people who lived in that region had Palestinian passports, and that land was labeled as Palestine on maps (For instance, look up the National Geographic 1947 map). While there are a small percentage of people living in Gaza who have dual Palestinian/Egyptian citizenship, the majority of them don't.
Well, at the beginning of the 20th Century, Palestine was part of the Ottoman Empire. And as Theodor Herzl envisioned a great war to change that, indeed the staged (hint, hint...) assassination of the Austrian crown prince by a communist, was the desired push into the great conflagration, with, by the way, the German Kaiser pleading for peace with Britain, France and his cousin the Russian Czar til the end, to no avail, and being the last of the involved European countries to mobilize the German armed forces.
So then the Balfour Declaration to Lionel Rothschild could be realized, as the Ottoman Empire lost control of Palastine to the British.
Yes, Palestine was part of the Ottoman Empire from 1516 to 1917. It was called Filistin during that time. Then it became under British control from1917 to 1947. While it was under British control it was called Palestine, and people were given Palestinian passports.
How about you look at the historic maps in your Bible. There was no тАЬPalestineтАЭ on any of them. There was a тАЬPhilistineтАЭ, but that was NOT the same people at all. The name тАЬPalestineтАЭ was given to the land of Israel by the Romans. They hated Israel, and hated that name, so they changed it. Many who lived in Israel at that time were Jews, and they ALSO, were considered тАЬPalestiniansтАЭ after the Romans gave the land that name. Look it up.
You might want to read this. It explains a lot of it.
https://www.thejewishstar.com/stories/heres-how-the-palestinians-got-their-name,22410
Please note that the Philistines mixed with the Caninities, and that many of the people currently living Gaza and the West Bank have Philistine/Canaanite ancestry. https://www.google.com/search?q=are+palestinians+genetically+related+to+the+ancient+Canaanites+and+philistines&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS855US855&oq=are+palestinians+genetically+related+to+the+ancient+Canaanites+and+philistines&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOdIBCDYxNjZqMGo3qAIAsAIA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
DNA investigation has shown that the people known as "Palestinians" are the only group in the world with DNA descending from remains dug up from original settlements. IOW, they're the "original Jews." Over the years, as conquerors came and went, some converted to Christianity or, more recently, Islam. The people who live in Israel today show DNA linkeage with Central Asian Caucasians-East Europeans. Netanyahu's lineage, e.g., is Polish. I referenced the sources in one of my Substacks. You can easily use a more independent search engine like Yandex to confirm my statements. I'm shocked to see some people reply in Substacks still using Google search which is heavily censored and skewed.
No, they are NOT the original Jews. They are ARABS, who yes, were Semitic. However, they were descended from ISHMAEL, NOT from Isaac. Ishmael was AbrahamтАЩs illegitimate first son, whose mother was an Egyptian. The Israelites were descended from Isaac and Jacob. There is clearly SO much you just donтАЩt know.
Also, Joseph married an Egyptian, so his descendants have Egyptian blood in them, but they are STILL Israelites.
Ah, dear lady. Your interpretation rests solely upon history as dictated by the group who professes such "historical facts." How correct is the literature on this question? I would say, at this time in the 21st century, such "history" is rubbish. I believe scholarly writings have pointed again and again and again to the questionable origin and nature of texts called "The Old Testament" and "Bible." You have no idea who wrote them; who edited them; who excluded other pieces of literature from such volumes; indeed, you have no authenticated trail of linkage to such people. The world has changed and shifted constantly since those times, and you have no way of knowing except through your BELIEF in such literature. You are more than entitled to your belief, but that's all it is: a BELIEF which you have no right to impose on others.
Your belief is as good mine.
Peace out!
Agree. The Israel of today was created by the Rothschilds in 1948. The Zionists dba UN/WHO/WEF originated as Ashkenazi in N. Turkey then migrated to Khazaria, current day Ukraine, where they converted to Judaism in the 8 or 9c for political reasons, not religious beliefs/faith. TheyтАЩre the Khazarian Mafia and increased in power as the Bolsheviks, then Rothschilds (Ashkenazi Jews) and Rockefellers (Sephardic Jews). They follow the Babylonian Talmud and practice Kabbalah (Jewish dark mysticism).
The Ashkenazi are descendants of NoahтАЩs great grandson Ashkenaz through his son Japheth (Genesis 10:3; I Chronicles 1:6) and not of the Messianic lineage through NoahтАЩs son Shem.
The Zionists are the false Jews, synagogue of Satan, in Revelation 2:9 and Revelation 3:9.
The other quite interesting characteristic they share is that they believe themselves quite separate from humanity. They believe themselves so far superior as to possess "the right" to herd, regulate, and govern humanity. IOW, "the divine right of kings." Of course, we look at current royalty in the limelight and see abominably genetically inferior people like Charles III. Their bloodlines are dissipating from far too much interbreeding. The only characteristic which has developed to a far superior level is the utter ruthlessness and cruelty which the Asiatic Khazars--cum European via rape/marriage to Northern Europeans--displayed so abundantly.
Writers call such people by many names such as Black Nobility; Jesuits; Merovingians; etc. These people today are reflected in the WEF Clique (technocratic oligarchs) which approaches humanity as simply too stupid to govern themselves. They nicely avoid the truth which is that their transnational corporations and thirst for power have led to the gutting and pillaging of natural assets from every country worldwide thereby depriving citizens of just development and reward for themselves. With this disparity comes pollution; destabilization of populations; famines; wars; and so forth.
the noble lie
тАЬThe only characteristic which has developed to a far superior level is the utter ruthlessness and cruelty which the Asiatic Khazars--cum European via rape/marriage to Northern Europeans--displayed so abundantly.тАЭ
What you describe is the Khazarian Mafia which furthered its power, influence and cruelty as the Bolsheviks, Rothschilds (Ashkenazi Jews) and Rockefellers (Sephardic Jews) and are now known as the Zionists dba UN/WHO/WEF. The Ashkenazi Jews are the Khazarian Mafia that became the Zionists.
They follow the Babylonian Talmud, Rabbinical teachings that originated with the Pharisees, in which itтАЩs revealed that they believe themselves so far superior as to possess "the right" to herd, regulate, and govern humanity. The Talmud refers to non-Jews/Gentiles as goyim or cattle and states that the Jews may lie to, steal from and kill the non-Jews without consequence. The Talmud also states that a Jewish man may marry a female child of 3yo plus one day and that her hymen will grow back. And that a Jewish man may sodomize a male child less than 9yo. Yahshua rightly rebuked the Pharisees as from their father the devil.
The Ashkenazi are descendants of NoahтАЩs great grandson Ashkenaz (Genesis 10:3; I Chronicles 1:6), not descended from the Messianic lineage through NoahтАЩs son Shem. TheyтАЩre converts to Judaism, not true Jews. They are not the Chosen people. TheyтАЩre imposters. The Zionist Ashkenazi Khazar Jews are the false Jews YHWH warns of in Revelation 2:9 and Revelation 3:9.
I think the Rothschilds preceded the Bolsheviks. The family was known in Illuminati era Germany, before Napoleonic era. The Bolsheviks came out of the era of the publication of the Communist Manifesto in 1848.
Mayer Amschel Bauer, an Ashkenazi Jew, was born in Frankfurt, Germany in 1743.
The Rothschilds [Khazarian Mafia] funded the Bolshevik Revolution in 1917 as revenge against Russia and to gain power in Russia. Bolsheviks: KM army.
hhhmmm
What ethnicity is Benzion Neranyahu (nee Mileikowsky), Polish?
Yes the Mileikowski (Netanyahu) family are Polish. Do you happen to know what their relationship was to "Pi┼Вsudski's Colonels," the military dictatorship that governed Poland in 1939 and was attacking and harassing ethnic Germans in Silesia, East Prussia and other German areas under Polish occupation prior to Germany taking those lands back in 2939. Were the attacks on the ethnic Germans a provocation designed to trigger a response that could be used as a casus belli to start WWII? Did the Netanyahu family have any role in starting WW2? approximately 60 million people, most or many of whom were Christians, were killed in that war.
He is Jewish. Yes, his family was in Poland, but go back even further. When the Israelites were driven out of Israel into exile, a lot them went to eastern Europe and settled there. Some settled in the area of Ashkenaz, which is why they are called "Ashkenazi Jews", but they are not descended from Ashkenaz, who was descended from Noah's son, Japheth.
The problem is that so many of you have just not studied the history of the Jews way back to when GOD first renamed Jacob with the name of Israel. That's where the name for the LAND of Israel originated. That land is the HOLY land, and GOD owns it, and GOD gave it to the Jews.
Study where all the tribes went when they were exiled from their land. Then study where GOD says he will be bringing them BACK to their land, and will be reuniting ALL TWELVE of the tribes. It's all in your Bible, and many texts written over the years document this too.
You're wrong, the Palestinians have lived there for thousands of years, Netanyahu kicked them out so his ilk could live in the region. "Israel" of today was started in 1948.
No, that's not true. Israelites can be traced back over 3,500 years, to when GOD renamed Jacob with the name of "Israel". That land was already promised to Abraham BEFORE that even happened. The name Israelite is well explained in the Bible as the people of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. No other people who did not descend from those three in that order can be called Israelite by birth.
The name Palestine never even existed until just about 60 years ago. Even Jews were considered Palestinians at one point. It was ROME that gave that name to the land of Israel, because they didn't like the name Israel, who they always hated. Go read some REAL history. It's all there.
Netanyahu and his ilk are NOT Israelites, they are from Europe, Netanyahu isn't even his real last name. You really have to do reattach on this, this land was taken up in 1948, it is NOT the Israel of the Bible. Please stop saying it is, you are 100% wrong. Is your REAL history from the Schofield Bible, if so, its propaganda written by a jew who wanted to confuse the Christians, those are now zionist christians.
Sorry, but youтАЩre just wrong. You clearly donтАЩt want to know the truth. That land IS the Israel of the Bible, and it belongs to GOD, and GOD gave it to the Israelites as their inheritance.
And you need to get over your fixation on Netanyahu. He is just ONE man. You are wrong about him, and you are wrong to reject ALL of Israel because of your hate for ONE MAN.
It seems maybe YOU are going from the Schofield Bible. IтАЩm not a Christian, and I donтАЩt use that Bible. I use the Tanach, the HEBREW Bible.
No. Israel goes back to the time frame of scriptures. Israel mentioned many times in the Old Testament as the home of the Jewish people.
Palestinians were also mentioned in the Bible. They were called Canaanites and Philistines in the Bible. In case you didn't notice, the word Palestine is derived from Philistine.
Actually, no, Palestinians are NOT mentioned in the Bible. You're mixing that up with the Philistines, who were NOT the Palestinians. The name "Palestine" was given to the land of Israel by the Romans about 60 or so years ago, and it applied to ALL people living in Israel at that time. That included the Jews as well as the Arabs. The Canaanites where the people who were very pagan, idol worshipers, who GOD drove out of that land. Those people were not Arabs. The people in the land right now, who call themselves Palestinians, are Arabs. They are descended from Ishmael, the illegitimate first son of Abraham. They have nothing to do with the Philistines.
Please note that there have been genetic tests done that show that the Philistines mixed with the Canaanites and that the current Palestinians living in the region share some of that mixed Philistine/Canaanite genetic ancestry. Your claim that Arabs don't have any Philistines or Canaanites ancestry is wrong. Your claim that they descended from Ishmael is an oversimplified religious narrative that ignores reality and the extensive genetic testing that has been done on the people in that region. The Palestinians Arabs are in fact genetically related to the ancient Canaanites and to a lesser degree the Philistines. Many of them have ancestors who have lived in that region for millennia. Pretending that they aren't indigenous to that area is something that people do to justify kicking them off their land. https://www.google.com/search?q=are+palestinians+genetically+related+to+the+ancient+Canaanites+and+philistines&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS855US855&oq=are+palestinians+genetically+related+to+the+ancient+Canaanites+and+philistines&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOdIBCDYxNjZqMGo3qAIAsAIA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
They are Israelis
I agree that they could be referred to as Israelis since they were born within what is considered "greater Israel", though Israel has refused to give the people of Gaza and the West Bank Israeli citizenship, and they are subjected to military law as opposed to civilian law. So, I think referring to them as Palestinian is more accurate.
A lot of people say they are citizens of Israel.
https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/who-are-the-palestinians/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_citizens_of_Israel "In the wake of the 1948 Palestine war, the Israeli government conferred Israeli citizenship upon all Palestinians who had remained or were not expelled. However, they were subject to discrimination by being placed under martial law until 1966, while other Israeli citizens were not."
Please note that the Arabs in Gaza and the West Bank are NOT Israeli citizens. Nevertheless, there are around 2 Million Arabs that Israel allowed to have Israeli citizenship who live within Israel proper. There are roughly 3 million Arabs in the West Bank and roughly 2 million Arabs in Gaza who DO NOT HAVE ISRAELI CITIZENSHIP. Israel will NOT give them citizenship becuase if they were to do that then the Arabs would outnumber Jews in Israel. https://gemini.google.com/app/bb28fcf5f59a3d0a?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=2024enUS_gemfeb&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQiAoeGuBhCBARIsAGfKY7ycZI7yqgvJgVCciZJCfQIDAsoytP5Lj3U0LB7sW7hYg6jdQ4SAugQaAjnxEALw_wcB
Wikipedia said all remaining Palestinians were given citizenship after 1948, so how did some lose it, or is Wikipedia incorrect? There is a point in law, that for a state to treat similarly situated people differently is a crime. Their relative numbers in the total population notwithstanding, the two-state solution was supposed to fix that problem.
Please note that Wikipedia article is talking about Palestinian Arabs within Israel proper, not the West Bank or Gaza. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_citizenship_law "those resident in the West Bank and Gaza Strip are largely considered stateless." meaning they don't have Israeli citizenship.
Do you know when and why their citizenship is defunct, since Wiki also said all the Palestinians remaining in the land were given citizenship in 48
Better check some history on that.
Actually YOU better check some history on that. There is no "Palestine", so there is no Palestinian Passport. Check out the Green Prince. His real name is Mosab Hassan Yousef. He was the son of one of the founders of Hamas. He explains how all the people in The West Bank have Jordanian citizenship, and the people in Gaza have Egyptian citizenship. There is no Palestine. There is no Palestinian government, and no official passports for those people.
You are correct. I see others here seem to be confused by the facts.
I am very interested in learning and sharing but fascinated when people share information...I find it is marvelous to be able to update your thinking based on good information shared
Who are the ultimate string-pullers?
Those who do not need to care about laws, because they control the money of countries.
Those with the greatest wad of cash to spend on politicians & foundations.
Who controls the money?
City of London (senior partner) & Federal Reserve System/Wall Street (junior partner).
Who financed BOTH sides of the Civil War, WW1, WW2/Hitler?
Rothschilds (through their agents Warburg, Koehn & Loeb, Harriman etc.)
Who funded Communism?
Rothschilds (Weishaupt, Robbespiere, Marx, Trotzky, Lenin, Stalin, Russian Oct. Revolution, USSR's industrial development through Wall Street)
Who created Israel?
Rothschilds (Balfour Declaration 1917)
Who is the left hand / right hand of the City of London / East India Corporation?
George Soros / Henry (Heinz) Kissinger
Who created the False Flag attack on Britain in Jerusalem 1946?
Israel (Menachem Begin's Irgun disguised as Arabs bombed the King David Hotel)
Who created the Lavon Affair False Flag attack on Egypt in 1954
Israel (Jews disguised as Arabs bombed American & Egyptian sites to provoke US to take sides)
Who False Flag attacked the USS Liberty in 1967 to provoke an American attack on Egypt?
Israel ( wanted to sink the Liberty with all their US sailors with Johnson's permission as an Egyptian attack)
Who financed / founded HAMAS?
Israel (see Netanyahu's speech)
Who financed Khomeini & Iranian revolution?
City of London (Rouhani studied Sharia Law in Edingburgh, best friends with Jack Straw, Rothschild strawman)
Who controls Congress?
AIPAC, ADL
Palestinians were mentioned in the Bible. They were called Canaanites and Philistines in the Bible. The word Palestine is derived from "Philistia," which was the ancient Greek and Roman name for the land of the Philistines.
Yes and they are the true semites thru DNA testing.
You are wrong.
Arab
Al Masri is the most common last name and it means the egyptian, Arafat was born in Egypt they're no different from any other Arabs of which there are 22.5 countries and 57 Islamic countries only two of which are functional democracies far far away from the Middle East
Arafat's parents were born in Palestine. While Al Masri is a common last name in Palestine, it is not the most common last name. The following last names are more common than Al-Masri in Gaza and the West Bank according to AI (Last names starting with Abu, like Abu-Amr, Abu-Ali, Abu-Baker, Abu-Khali, Abu-Sultan), Hamdan, and Khatib.
Your history is wrong and is nothing more than lamestream whore media propaganda. You're very mistaken about who's "land" that is. It's shameful.
1947 Map of Palestine from National Geographic https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B-kfzyxXEAACtrJ?format=jpg&name=900x900
The scriptures pre dated by a long time any NG map of 1947.
Many, if not most of the Arabs in the West Bank, Gaza, and Israel (aka Palestinians) are indigenous to that region, and have descendants who have lived in that region for hundred to thousands of years.
What is your source? Is it credible?
Here's one source that says that both Palestinians and Jews are genetically related to ancient caninities who lived on that land. Please note that the Jews they are referring to are Mizrahi Jews, which are Middle Eastern Jews, and not Ashkenazi Jews aka European Jews. I have Ashkenazi Jewish ancestry on my dad's side, and Ashkenazi Jews are descended from the Kharzas, who converted to Judaism around 700-800 AD, and have no ancestral ties to Israel. https://english.tau.ac.il/news/canaanites
Try Wikipedia, I have it linked above
It is on ancient maps, far predating Arafat and the PLO
You are correct!
there had been a plan, I think it was mostly agreed upon, to make Jerusalem an international city under the aegis and protection of the UN
link?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corpus_separatum_(Jerusalem)
Ugh. The UN sucks and no way will that happen.
We are seeing Bible Prophesy are we not???
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