issue of pardon before being charged or not? or if the crime has been committed or not? What say you? Article II, Section 2, Clause 1: 'the power may be exercised at any time after [an offense’s]
He's not immune under international law but I can't see the US ever agreeing to extradite him to face justice for the crimes he has committed globally. I can see the US preferring to become a pariah state and totally disregarding international norms and tearing up treaties and even going to war in order to protect him.
No way. Nobody but the evil Leftists, globalists etc would protect him. On the other hand my issue is when was the date that that Fed court rule Bidn was to neurological inept to be taken to court or however they stated that. So from that day forth shouldn’t he have been considered too inept to run a country or make governmental decisions? Why was he allowed to continue doing so or ‘pretend’ to cont. doing so? I say anything he’s done since that court decision is null & void & it’s time to backtrack & discontinue, shut down whatever needs to be done to wipe out anything he’s done since then. If it wasn’t him but his ‘mentors’ doing the job then they need to be found, prosecuted for ‘whatever legal term comes up for impersonation of a Pres’ & hung, shot at dawn or whatever is decided by the court.
Exactly! I was going to post this same question and comment. Biden shouldn't be giving out Pardons if he's been deemed to be incompetent due to dementia and age related conditions. He can't string a sentence together or manage a set of stairs without stumbling. He wanders off & depends on his handlers. He hasn't been the one running our country this whole entire time. And he isn't the one granting these Pardons, I'll bet ya. This is another grift. They are Pardoning themselves. With help from Pelosi, Schiff, McConnell, etc. It's just so wrong on every level.
Fauci, in 2021 won the prestigious Dan David Prize for his work during the COVID pandemic. The Prize which is headquartered at Tel Aviv University, has an annual purse of $3 million, making it the largest history award in the world. Haaretz on Apr 20 2021 reported that Dr. Naomi Wolf had suggested that Fauci is beholden to and serves the interests of Israel rather than serving the United States. Trump should consult with Bibi to receive instructions on what to do about Fauci. If Bibi orders Trump to leave Fauci alone then Trump would be unlikely to be willing to disobey a direct order. If the US does pursue Fauci and his pardon is found to be unconstitutional Fauci could relocate to Israel and be protected from extradition there.
The Constitution divides the federal government into three branches to ensure a central government in which no individual or group gains too much control:
Legislative – Makes laws (Congress)
Executive – Carries out laws (President, Vice President, Cabinet)
Judicial – Evaluates laws (Supreme Court and other courts)
Presidential pardons nullify the Legislative and Judicial branches. So much for your checks and balances.
Congress can nullify the President (impeachment/comviction), if it is needed. Juries can also nullify laws. But with both President and juries that is one case at a time. You need Congress to change law. Unknown to me: what happens if say Fauci is now indicted by a Grand Jury. Could a case work its way to a conviction before the pardon becomes relevant? Could he be compelled to testify against himself? Would the 5th still be applicable to him, with a pardon in play?
A presidential pardon—no matter how controversial—cannot be overturned. The Constitution gives the pardon power to the executive branch alone, not the legislative branch (Congress) or the judicial branch (federal courts, including the Supreme Court). Under the constitutional separation of powers, powers reserved to one branch cannot be infringed upon by another. In other words, just as the president cannot change a law, Congress cannot overturn a presidential pardon. (U.S. v. Klein, 80 U.S. 128 (1871).) Likewise, the Supreme Court's power to review is limited to constitutional violations (not politics).
Definitely a fix needed there in light of the abuse of pardons we see today.
a POTUS pardon must be for you to clean your slate and make you whole but must also transcend the larger nation...not just you...the nation must benefit and the nation must suffer injustice if you are not...do you see how I look at it?
To me, the truly INCREDIBLE aspect of these "Presidential pardons" is that they cover EVERYTHING - even a mass murderer of millions of men, women, and children is "pardoned". I mean, okay, so an embezzler can be "pardoned", but a MASS MURDERER??? No wonder we're circling the toilet bowl.
I hate that biden gave all the traitors a pass, I dislike that he pardoned his son, but I hope that will backfire on biden big time! Now that hunter is pardoned congress can grill him and he cannot plead the fifth, the same with his family, Fauci, all of them! And biden did not pardon himself!
Pam Bondi needs to find a case to take to SCOTUS regarding pre-emptive pardons.
In the meantime, can still investigate every crime as if these people were never pardoned, and the good news is that they can't take the 5th. If they refuse to talk they can be charged by Congress and in that case there might be prison time.
But regarding Fauci, Rand Paul is too soft in thinking that Tony didn't do anything illegal before 2014. Both RFK Jr. and David Martin, PhD can cite crimes by the Bioweapons Czar going back to 2001.
Paul: What do you think of David Martin? He can prove that mRNA jabs were not vaccines by following the patents. He would be a key witness for reform of the CDC.
And why can't the Senate go after former NIH director Francis Collins, thus forcing him to admit to the crimes of Fauci, in his own defense?
I think he is smart...little misjudged. but a good guy...wants to help...I know him, impressed...the issue is the egos on many anti covid fighters makes them attack each other. he has his lane
Yes, David Martin seems to be a good guy, and can be very important for "correcting" the CDC. He seems to be a little off on the medical side - his patent knowledge is unsurpassed. They put away gangster Al Capone on Tax Evasion.
Yes, got to pass the word up the chain for Senate to go after Collins, who Biden failed to pardon, I think. Make Francis sing like a bird to admit this was a Plandemic all along.
Senator Ron Johnson knows you. He should be the contact on these issues to begin hearings. Trump can't stop avoiding the issue.
Maybe it was Johnson not RFK Jr. who got word to the White House to end the Covid mandate for those wanting to be Perm. Residents?
I mention again the Pandemic Planning Proceedings that went on at Johns Hopkins, circa 2015-16.
Not sure if I learned via a proton Email from Dr PMC, but I'm sure he read the pages that were available. Too risky to mention in public forum, but hope you've addressed it in private. If there is something in writing, should present before the Senate.
For those who don't know the details, there was some kind of meeting at Johns Hopkins, where it was put in writing how a future Pandemic would happen. Get the MSM and Big Tech to go along and involve the military. The timing was after the Bioweapons research moved to China.
Fauci perjured himself at least 3 separate times under oath. Stating he did not have anything to do with GOF Research, & that GOF Research was not used in Wuhan for creating Covid. Or for manipulating animal cells & poisons to create a "vaccine". Or whatever they're monkeying around with in all those labs. The ban on GOF will just have them shifting their projects to other more secretive platforms and renaming it something else. They'll keep it going though. They just won't call it GOF anymore. Fauci's been committing crimes for decades. So much evil at the CDC.
Fauci's signature is on the mRNA vaccine from Nov. 19 (research from Univ. NC with collaboration with Moderna) before it was known the virus was already lose.
That is it was a Plandemic, and every death since then is on Fauci.
Fauci was involved with the blocking of inexpensive treatment and the coverup,.
He's responsible for every person who receive Remdesivir, which was long known to cause kidney failure, while being ineffective.
As I read this article, all I could see was a doddering Brandon handing out little Monopoly "get out of jail free" cards to his friends. Does he really think a pardon for a crime never charged/convicted will hold up in court?
[...] IMO, the POTUS cannot pardon you for crimes you did in the "past" or any future crimes [...]
Although I share your opinion that the pardon power is/has being perverted BIG TIME, I would like to point out that it exists for "past" "crimes/alleged crimes" with ongoing legal procedures or guilty verdicts. It's for the PRE-CRIME or past crimes yet to be "processed" pardons that we must be dealing with pronto.
Israel was very stern & legalistic about everyone there getting the injection from what I read. How many deaths & disabilities did they have because of this? Why were they so insistent on this? They have very smart doctors & scientists & Im sure they knew as did the likes of FLCCC (and others around the world) doctors of its problems for the world population. Just the fact that eugenecists were at the heart of pushing the Jab onto the world’s populations should have been a red flag to them (and basically everyone else).
You are not saying Trump has abused his pardon power??! …. Surely not! If so I strongly disagree. It’s possible Biden’s preemptive ones going back 10+ years will eventually be declared null & void by SCOTUS. Esp since I believe the 2020 election will be proved beyond a shadow of a doubt - rigged & invalid — including by foreign actors from outside the US coordinating with treasonous Americans inside. It’s gonna be EPIC!
I read somewhere that there is no such thing as a preemptive pardon. That any pardon, has to have an active and existing case. The reasoning mainstream give in defense of Biden, is that it was to protect his family against any malice the Republican administration may do out of sheer spite. So if it is true about there being no such thing as a preemptive pardon, the Biden family CAN be charged with anything up and coming. I would like to see more clarification on this.
TRUMP PARDONED INNOCENT PEOPLE FOR THE MOST PART- JAN6 POLITICAL HOSTAGES-WHILE BIDEN PARDONED PEOPLE NOT CHARGED THAT IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL ‘“ IN CONTEMPLATION OF” DOES NOT GET IT ---
My view on this is that a preemptive pardon does not make any legal sense at all. I interpret this as I can go out and commit any crime including murder and not be prosecuted if I have a preemptive pardon? In any civilized legal system that is completely insane. Pam Bondi should challenge this all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court if necessary.
The Most Prolific Serial Killer In History: Why a Blanket Pardon for Dr. Fauci Could Be Challenged in the Supreme Court
https://www.2ndsmartestguyintheworld.com/p/the-most-prolific-serial-killer-in
yes, blanket...matched only by Mengele and Barbi
He's not immune under international law but I can't see the US ever agreeing to extradite him to face justice for the crimes he has committed globally. I can see the US preferring to become a pariah state and totally disregarding international norms and tearing up treaties and even going to war in order to protect him.
No way. Nobody but the evil Leftists, globalists etc would protect him. On the other hand my issue is when was the date that that Fed court rule Bidn was to neurological inept to be taken to court or however they stated that. So from that day forth shouldn’t he have been considered too inept to run a country or make governmental decisions? Why was he allowed to continue doing so or ‘pretend’ to cont. doing so? I say anything he’s done since that court decision is null & void & it’s time to backtrack & discontinue, shut down whatever needs to be done to wipe out anything he’s done since then. If it wasn’t him but his ‘mentors’ doing the job then they need to be found, prosecuted for ‘whatever legal term comes up for impersonation of a Pres’ & hung, shot at dawn or whatever is decided by the court.
Exactly! I was going to post this same question and comment. Biden shouldn't be giving out Pardons if he's been deemed to be incompetent due to dementia and age related conditions. He can't string a sentence together or manage a set of stairs without stumbling. He wanders off & depends on his handlers. He hasn't been the one running our country this whole entire time. And he isn't the one granting these Pardons, I'll bet ya. This is another grift. They are Pardoning themselves. With help from Pelosi, Schiff, McConnell, etc. It's just so wrong on every level.
Fauci, in 2021 won the prestigious Dan David Prize for his work during the COVID pandemic. The Prize which is headquartered at Tel Aviv University, has an annual purse of $3 million, making it the largest history award in the world. Haaretz on Apr 20 2021 reported that Dr. Naomi Wolf had suggested that Fauci is beholden to and serves the interests of Israel rather than serving the United States. Trump should consult with Bibi to receive instructions on what to do about Fauci. If Bibi orders Trump to leave Fauci alone then Trump would be unlikely to be willing to disobey a direct order. If the US does pursue Fauci and his pardon is found to be unconstitutional Fauci could relocate to Israel and be protected from extradition there.
Pardons are Presidents playing God. We have a justice system, if it's not working, fix it.
Presidential pardons are being abused, I have a stack coming on this
both sides
Can it be revoked?
no...can use it for anything but impeachment
Thank you
Check and balances. The whole point is to assume that none of the three branches will ever be perfect or 100% fixable.
hhmmm, nice reply
The Constitution divides the federal government into three branches to ensure a central government in which no individual or group gains too much control:
Legislative – Makes laws (Congress)
Executive – Carries out laws (President, Vice President, Cabinet)
Judicial – Evaluates laws (Supreme Court and other courts)
Presidential pardons nullify the Legislative and Judicial branches. So much for your checks and balances.
boom
founders did not anticipate how it is used today as a payback scheme...kickbacks
Congress can nullify the President (impeachment/comviction), if it is needed. Juries can also nullify laws. But with both President and juries that is one case at a time. You need Congress to change law. Unknown to me: what happens if say Fauci is now indicted by a Grand Jury. Could a case work its way to a conviction before the pardon becomes relevant? Could he be compelled to testify against himself? Would the 5th still be applicable to him, with a pardon in play?
Can a Presidential Pardon Be Overturned?
A presidential pardon—no matter how controversial—cannot be overturned. The Constitution gives the pardon power to the executive branch alone, not the legislative branch (Congress) or the judicial branch (federal courts, including the Supreme Court). Under the constitutional separation of powers, powers reserved to one branch cannot be infringed upon by another. In other words, just as the president cannot change a law, Congress cannot overturn a presidential pardon. (U.S. v. Klein, 80 U.S. 128 (1871).) Likewise, the Supreme Court's power to review is limited to constitutional violations (not politics).
Definitely a fix needed there in light of the abuse of pardons we see today.
a POTUS pardon must be for you to clean your slate and make you whole but must also transcend the larger nation...not just you...the nation must benefit and the nation must suffer injustice if you are not...do you see how I look at it?
To me, the truly INCREDIBLE aspect of these "Presidential pardons" is that they cover EVERYTHING - even a mass murderer of millions of men, women, and children is "pardoned". I mean, okay, so an embezzler can be "pardoned", but a MASS MURDERER??? No wonder we're circling the toilet bowl.
I hate that biden gave all the traitors a pass, I dislike that he pardoned his son, but I hope that will backfire on biden big time! Now that hunter is pardoned congress can grill him and he cannot plead the fifth, the same with his family, Fauci, all of them! And biden did not pardon himself!
Republican POTUS and Democrat POTUS abusing it...Trump made questionable pardons e.g. Kushner's father
Pam Bondi needs to find a case to take to SCOTUS regarding pre-emptive pardons.
In the meantime, can still investigate every crime as if these people were never pardoned, and the good news is that they can't take the 5th. If they refuse to talk they can be charged by Congress and in that case there might be prison time.
But regarding Fauci, Rand Paul is too soft in thinking that Tony didn't do anything illegal before 2014. Both RFK Jr. and David Martin, PhD can cite crimes by the Bioweapons Czar going back to 2001.
Paul: What do you think of David Martin? He can prove that mRNA jabs were not vaccines by following the patents. He would be a key witness for reform of the CDC.
And why can't the Senate go after former NIH director Francis Collins, thus forcing him to admit to the crimes of Fauci, in his own defense?
I think he is smart...little misjudged. but a good guy...wants to help...I know him, impressed...the issue is the egos on many anti covid fighters makes them attack each other. he has his lane
boom, Collins sits atop my Horsemen list for a reason....did you notice that?
Yes, David Martin seems to be a good guy, and can be very important for "correcting" the CDC. He seems to be a little off on the medical side - his patent knowledge is unsurpassed. They put away gangster Al Capone on Tax Evasion.
Yes, got to pass the word up the chain for Senate to go after Collins, who Biden failed to pardon, I think. Make Francis sing like a bird to admit this was a Plandemic all along.
Senator Ron Johnson knows you. He should be the contact on these issues to begin hearings. Trump can't stop avoiding the issue.
Maybe it was Johnson not RFK Jr. who got word to the White House to end the Covid mandate for those wanting to be Perm. Residents?
I mention again the Pandemic Planning Proceedings that went on at Johns Hopkins, circa 2015-16.
Not sure if I learned via a proton Email from Dr PMC, but I'm sure he read the pages that were available. Too risky to mention in public forum, but hope you've addressed it in private. If there is something in writing, should present before the Senate.
For those who don't know the details, there was some kind of meeting at Johns Hopkins, where it was put in writing how a future Pandemic would happen. Get the MSM and Big Tech to go along and involve the military. The timing was after the Bioweapons research moved to China.
Fauci perjured himself at least 3 separate times under oath. Stating he did not have anything to do with GOF Research, & that GOF Research was not used in Wuhan for creating Covid. Or for manipulating animal cells & poisons to create a "vaccine". Or whatever they're monkeying around with in all those labs. The ban on GOF will just have them shifting their projects to other more secretive platforms and renaming it something else. They'll keep it going though. They just won't call it GOF anymore. Fauci's been committing crimes for decades. So much evil at the CDC.
Fauci's signature is on the mRNA vaccine from Nov. 19 (research from Univ. NC with collaboration with Moderna) before it was known the virus was already lose.
That is it was a Plandemic, and every death since then is on Fauci.
Fauci was involved with the blocking of inexpensive treatment and the coverup,.
He's responsible for every person who receive Remdesivir, which was long known to cause kidney failure, while being ineffective.
As I read this article, all I could see was a doddering Brandon handing out little Monopoly "get out of jail free" cards to his friends. Does he really think a pardon for a crime never charged/convicted will hold up in court?
[...] IMO, the POTUS cannot pardon you for crimes you did in the "past" or any future crimes [...]
Although I share your opinion that the pardon power is/has being perverted BIG TIME, I would like to point out that it exists for "past" "crimes/alleged crimes" with ongoing legal procedures or guilty verdicts. It's for the PRE-CRIME or past crimes yet to be "processed" pardons that we must be dealing with pronto.
Israel was very stern & legalistic about everyone there getting the injection from what I read. How many deaths & disabilities did they have because of this? Why were they so insistent on this? They have very smart doctors & scientists & Im sure they knew as did the likes of FLCCC (and others around the world) doctors of its problems for the world population. Just the fact that eugenecists were at the heart of pushing the Jab onto the world’s populations should have been a red flag to them (and basically everyone else).
You are not saying Trump has abused his pardon power??! …. Surely not! If so I strongly disagree. It’s possible Biden’s preemptive ones going back 10+ years will eventually be declared null & void by SCOTUS. Esp since I believe the 2020 election will be proved beyond a shadow of a doubt - rigged & invalid — including by foreign actors from outside the US coordinating with treasonous Americans inside. It’s gonna be EPIC!
I read somewhere that there is no such thing as a preemptive pardon. That any pardon, has to have an active and existing case. The reasoning mainstream give in defense of Biden, is that it was to protect his family against any malice the Republican administration may do out of sheer spite. So if it is true about there being no such thing as a preemptive pardon, the Biden family CAN be charged with anything up and coming. I would like to see more clarification on this.
TRUMP PARDONED INNOCENT PEOPLE FOR THE MOST PART- JAN6 POLITICAL HOSTAGES-WHILE BIDEN PARDONED PEOPLE NOT CHARGED THAT IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL ‘“ IN CONTEMPLATION OF” DOES NOT GET IT ---
My view on this is that a preemptive pardon does not make any legal sense at all. I interpret this as I can go out and commit any crime including murder and not be prosecuted if I have a preemptive pardon? In any civilized legal system that is completely insane. Pam Bondi should challenge this all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court if necessary.
it cannot stand as worded like that
It is insane. Let me pardon this group of people because why??