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AwakeNotWoke's avatar

You're probably correct that the majority of them take less notice of that bullshit than you do.

Saddam said his Islamic prayers as he stood bravely and defiantly on the gallows as the US murdered him but he was a whiskey drinking womanizer who almost certainly hated jihadists more than you ever have.

He had a Christian deputy.

The US decimated the Christian population in Iraq when it butchered up to nearly a million civilians.

That included little kids.

You support that barbarity because that's your "morality" (meaning you have none, no morals, only sadism and bigotry)

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DUANE HAYES's avatar

One could say that the civil-religious wars in Iraq killed many civilians, you could say the United States precipitated these conflicts from our ill advised invasion. But you can't say that US soldiers killed directly a million civilians. It didn't happen. As horrible as Saddam was, he did keep stability in Iraq, even though it was by brutal means.

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@DUANE HAYES

FYI

The individual “Woke” is anti America, anti US military, and absolutely pro Putin, pro Russia.

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DUANE HAYES's avatar

I've went back and forth with him for a long time. sometimes we agree. I've always been a loyal American, despise Russia with utter contempt for what they've done. Despise Islam also, a wretched death cult.

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AwakeNotWoke's avatar

Duane, this traitor to America "DS" is more brainwashed than you are. He's a Sophist and propagandist and fellow UkroNazi like you who hates what Putin has done in defending Christianity and prohibiting transgenderism, the proselytizing of pedophilia to minors and the banning of Soros and the US based Satanic Temple in Russia. However, he lacks your IQ. Perhaps you can address the points I've raised too. By the way, we're in agreement that the Qu'ran is full of bullshit and exhortations to violence but so is the Torah and most Muslims don't follow the Qu'ran. My position on Islam is similar to Richard Dawkins' position. (You won't know what that is, or who Dawkins is so look it up.)

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NOTE: There's a post for you also on Dr. Alexander's "3 Sitting POTUS ..." stack.

DS, I aked you earlier "DS, let's hear your attempts to justify what has happened here. How do you justify what has happened here?"

I'm reposting for you. I put it to you that you're an apologist for terrorism. Address the specific points that I've raised below

I don't know about the app used to rent vehicles but I know this much about US Army Staff Sergeant Jabbar, the natural born US citizen from Texas who carried out the terrorist attack in New Orleans.

1) Prior to him enlisting the US had assisted the al-Qaeda linked Kosovo Liberation Front to achieve their aim of establishing a new Islamic country in the heart of Europe. It had condemned actions taken by Russia against Islamists in Chechnya. It had removed a secular regime in Iraq. It had set the stage for the rise of ISIS in Iraq and Syria.

2) Jabbar was in the regular Army from March 2007 until January 2015 and then in the Army Reserve from January 2015 until July 2020,

3) He would have gone through a rigorous selection process at US Army Recruiting. I could be wrong but I can only presume based on information that is available in the public domain that this would have included such things as assessments of general ability as well as specific aptitudes plus such things as, among other things, sadism, resilience, stability and risk for developing PTSD, for which genetic markers exist.

4) He was found suitable.

5) He was then trained and received on-the job experience including while on deployment to Afghanistan

6) He got promoted

7) He would have undergone the US Post Deployment Health Assessment upon return from Afghanistan and likely underwent further examinations subsequently and received "healthcare" by Healthcare Professionals possibly waving Ukraine flags.

8) Serving in the US military taught Jabbar "the meaning of great service and what it means to be responsive and take everything seriously, dotting i's and crossing t's to make sure that things go off without a hitch," he said in a YouTube video, which has since been taken offline. He sat in the video next to a framed poster with the word "DISCIPLINE" in bold, and near a book titled "LEADERSHIP."

9) He transitioned out of service and was unleashed back on to US society.

10) We don't know what he did in Afghanistan but after his discharge he butchered US civilians, his own people.

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He would surely have gone through a rigorous selection process at US Army Recruiting before being found suitable for service.

Why would that have excluded risk for developing chronic depression or PTSD, for which genetic markers exist, as well as for jihadist ideology?

He would also have surely undergone screening for these conditions post-deployment and he would surely have had to have been considered fit for separation.

Why would he have been let loose on the streets as a ticking time bomb?

He was in the US Army long term.

Was he vaccinated?

He would presumably have received "care" from VA after his discharge.

Why was he recruited and considered suitable for Army service?

If he wasn't a menace to US or other civilians when he was recruited, why did he become a menace after he had served?

It appears that he only converted to jihadist ideology after he had served.

What was the nature of the "care" he, received prior to murdering civilians and what was the care that the other reported US Army Veteran terrorist, Matthew Livelsberger, the alleged Tesla Cybertruck bomber in Las Vegas who reportedly served at the same army base as Jabbar, received?

Serving in the US military taught Jabbar "the meaning of great service and what it means to be responsive and take everything seriously, dotting i's and crossing t's to make sure that things go off without a hitch," he said in a YouTube video in which he sat in the video next to a framed poster with the word "DISCIPLINE" in bold, and near a book titled "LEADERSHIP."

Perhaps our good friend "DS," the Ukraine supporting healthcare worker on these pages who works with active and former US service personnel who has praised the DISCIPLINE of the troops and says his patients come first can enlighten us on these matters.

Was he recruited as a murderer of civilians or did he only become a murderer of civilians after he had served?

Similarly, was Livelsberger recruited as a murderer of civilians or did he only become a murderer or attempted murderer of civilians after he had served?

DS, let's hear your attempts to justify what has happened here. How do you justify what has happened here?

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Yes, you make good points. Not all of the natural born terrorists that the US Military churns out and releases back on the streets and who then go on to butcher civilians are are Islamic Jihadists. Timothy McVeigh wasn't.

What's interesting is that all of these natural born terrorists go through and pass assessments for suitability, and after the US Military gets hold of them they suddenly become terrorists.

It's also interesting to compare the US Miilitary mass murderers who butcher US civilians with those who butcher foreign civilians and to compare both of these groups with US Military serial killers who stalk and slaughter civilians sequentially as opposed to those who engage in mass casualty events.

A high proportion of serial killers have US Military or US Law Enforcement backgrounds.

The question is unresolved as to whether the US Military selects for individuals who are prone to be mass murderers and serial killers to begin with or do they only become that way as the result of US military influence on them.

Sadists prefer defenceless victims and one cam only imaging how many more foreign civilians are slaughtered by the US military while they are on deployment than ever sees the light of day.

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DUANE HAYES's avatar

Fully aware of Dawkins. The only countries that support Putin are North Korea and Iran. Support from despotic brutal dictatorships who rejoice in killing their own citizens is further condemnation of Putin

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Jan 4Edited

😝 you typed all that up (or copied and pasted) all for me to say this…read and reread

I have never said a word once…ever…ever…justified anything regarding this vile act. Until now. But, I’ll say not now. This was a vile and heinous act against innocent Americans enjoying a night out.

What I will say. You have tried to vilify me the past few days after I began exposing your own anti American, anti military, pro Putin, pro Russian narratives over the past 2 weeks. Most of this audience can go back and read and reread your idiotic nonsense and see that you hate America and our military and any other institution that was instrumental in the foundation of our nation.

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