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We've had immigration laws to protect the USA for MANY years. That's not the source of the problem.

The actual source is that those laws are not enforced and, worst of all, those that break the laws go unpunished. E.g., Biden, Kamala, and Obama should have been prosecuted and given harsh sentences for betraying our country by sidestepping immigration laws in their attempt to destroy the USA. Obviously, that never happened.

As I've long been saying, that THAT is our #1 problem, namely, lawbreakers that don't get punished because of their "elite status". THROW THE BOOK at them ... NAIL them ... make them pay!!! Which is why the *highest* priority for T47 MUST be to restore the Rule of Law and punish the lawbreakers. Everything else is secondary to that objective. Watching like a hawk ...

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I'm praying with you "without ceasing." Not that Trump won't do his best or that he can't, but that God intervenes, again.

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yes

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There is nothing compassionate about the traffickers the gangs the million mil operatives in country and the run of the mill freeloaders. No one

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absolutely...if a child is born on US soil, grew up, is 20 today, school university, is in military? parents illegals? deport them? I am with you 100% but some instances will need a case by case...but this time, we make laws and we put 50 cal on the wall a real concrete wall

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Military is avenue for citizenship. All others can go or enlist.

No exceptions.

Asylum is niche and should be extremely limited in scope.

No DACA. No caveats. Either enter legally or get sent back.

Once you allow illegally entering the USA to have caveats, then you already have inherent holes in your big beautiful concrete wall adorned with a 50 cal.

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NO WAY. All who are here illegally need to go. You can't reward illegal behavior. If those who came in as kids don't like that, then they can take it up with their parents who did that to them. It is NOT OUR PROBLEM!!!! They came here ILLEGALLY, and they NEED TO ALL GO.

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"Amendment X IV.

Passed by Congress June 13, 1866. Ratified July 9, 1868.

(Note: Article I, Section 2 of the Constitution was modified by

Section 2 of the 14th Amendment.)

SECTION 1

All persons born or naturalized in the United States and

subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United

States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall

make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges

or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall

any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property,

without due process of law; nor deny to any person within

its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

In your theoretical experiment the child is born on US soil.

Case closed.

The further attributes just further substantiate that the case is closed. You cant deport the family (legally and/or constitionally) in the case you mentioned. If an illegal person married an US citizen, you cant deport the family too. Also there are some numbers out there like maybe 5 million or even more children and young adults unter 18 living in the US with at least one unauthorized parent. Such babies/childrens are US citizens. You would have to separate them and only "extract" the parent, IF you have a substantiated legal underpinning for the deportation of such unauthorized immigrant parent. To attempt to extract / deport whole families regardless of US citizenship status and against their will, well.. this would be madness.. 100%.. addionally unconstitionally and could be even be seen as crime against humanity (forcible transfers of populations). Even if you dont see any underpinning or groundings for international law, you would betray and harm your fellow US citizens, and they could defend themselves with force, constitutionally. So if you try to deport families togehter (mixed status), so son/daugher with his unauthorized parent you would act unconstitutionally, you would have to change the constitution first.... (as I understand it) I dont think having birthright citizenship is in itself bad (a LOT of countries in the west have it in some form), i would say its generally a very positive ammendment, if you look historically it had a specific reason it was adopted. Also in an ordinary society of course both partents are legal immigrants (or were illegal and then went the legal route), so of course there are no reasons that the baby shouldnt have US citizenship and also US legal and military defense.

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That child may have been born on US soil, but actually, read the entire Amendment. It says, "All persons born or naturalized in the United States AND SUBJECT TO THE JURISDICTION THEREOF, are citizens of the United States. (emphasis mine)

That means that a person born in the United States must be "subject to the jurisdiction thereof". The jurisdiction that child would be subject to is where the citizenship of the parents lies. Therefore, if a child is born to parents who are BOTH citizens of a foreign country, and have NO LEGAL JURISDICTION in the USA, that child is NOT a citizen of the USA.

I've read writings by the original writers of this Amendment, and they explained it very clearly. This only applies to African slaves, who were born here to parents who were brought to the USA as slaves, against their own will. Those children had no jurisdiction, since their parents were brought against their own will. In most cases, at the time the Amendment was written, most blacks had been here for a few generations. Yet there was no citizenship for them. So the Amendment was written to clear that up. At this point, that part of that Amendment should actually be removed. It's no longer applicable, since there are no longer any children of slaves here in the USA who don't have citizenship.

FYI, even Native Americans didn't have "jurisdiction" under the USA government. They had jurisdiction under their own tribes. That is well known, and is still the case with Native Americans who still carry their tribal membership. They are under the laws of their tribes, which are separate from US law.

There is a lot you don't know. Please actually do some research. You are only leading people astray who don't do their own research.

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The XIV Amendment to the United States Constitution wasnt removed.

Its applicable. The default is that you have no jurisdiction other than the US if you were born in the US, its general.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

Natives were expressly excluded.

"Civil Rights Act of 1866 (ratified in 1870, after the Fourteenth Amendment came into effect) repeated the exclusion, declaring:[5]

all persons born in the United States, and not subject to any foreign power, excluding Indians not taxed, are hereby declared to be citizens of the United States.

"However, the "jurisdiction" requirement was interpreted to exclude most Native Americans, and in 1870, the Senate Judiciary Committee further clarified the matter: "the 14th amendment to the Constitution has no effect whatever upon the status of the Indian tribes within the limits of the United States"."

"The exclusion of Native Americans from US citizenship was further established by Elk v. Wilkins (1884),[8] when the Supreme Court held that a Native person born a citizen of a recognized tribal nation was not born an American citizen and did not become one simply by voluntarily leaving his tribe and settling among whites. The syllabus of the decision explained that a Native person "who has not been naturalized, or taxed, or recognized as a citizen either by the United States or by the state, is not a citizen of the United States within the meaning of the first section of the Fourteenth Article of Amendment of the Constitution". "

https://constitutioncenter.org/education/classroom-resource-library/classroom/14.4-primary-source-united-states-v-wong-kim-ark-1898

"When, then, children are born in the United States to the subjects of a foreign power, with which it is agreed by treaty that they shall not be naturalized thereby, and as to whom our own law forbids them to be naturalized, such children are not born so subject to the jurisdiction as to become citizens, and entitled on that ground to the interposition of our Government, if they happen to be found in the country of their parents’ origin and allegiance, or any other. . . "

Exclusion, like with a treaty, then of course no US citizen.

https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/amdt14-S1-1-2/ALDE_00000812/

Regarding your text:

"That means that a person born in the United States must be "subject to the jurisdiction thereof".

-The person is by definition under the subject of the jurisdiction, except explicitly excluded and see above.

"The jurisdiction that child would be subject to is where the citizenship of the parents lies."

-This is not want the meaning of the XIV ammendment and the "jurisdiction" part.

"Therefore, if a child is born to parents who are BOTH citizens of a foreign country, and have NO LEGAL JURISDICTION in the USA, that child is NOT a citizen of the USA. "

-You are by definition subject to the jurisdiction of the US (except if its explicitly excluded)

"This only applies to African slaves, who were born here to parents who were brought to the USA as slaves, against their own will. "

-XIV is general and its doesnt care about race or color.

-a US citizen born in the US to two (illegal) immigrants is an US citizen.

United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898)

"A child born in the United States, of parents of Chinese descent, who, at the time of his birth, are subjects of the Emperor of China, but have a permanent domicil and residence in the United States, and are there carrying on business, and are not employed in any diplomatic or official capacity under the Emperor of China, becomes at the time of his birth a citizen of the United States, by virtue of the first clause of the Fourteenth Amendment of the Constitution,"

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If they assimilated and arent on the public freebies. If your here on my back ill bring you back myself. No more anchor babies again we have to destroy the welfare state.

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The old Republican policies of the past must not be repeated. Republicans created this problem when they enticed the illegals to come so they could be exploited as cheap labor and then gave amnesty. . Reagan flipped California from red to blue when he gave amnesty. Deporting the illegals is doing them a favor. They'll be less likely to be mRNA jabbed or shed on back in their home countries. They could have the last laugh while Americans push up daisies.

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as i said up top and you are bang on...'The old Republican policies of the past must not be repeated. Republicans created this problem when they enticed the illegals to come so they could be exploited as cheap labor and then gave amnesty. . Reagan flipped California from red to blue when he gave amnesty.'

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you are right

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they'll be back. remember the border patrol was subject to a jab mandate

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If Tom needs protection then use the assets assigned to Napolean Fauci, put little Napolean in effective solitary confinement in which he will be safe (like the not subtle imbeded reverse propaganda language?), and then Tom can do his job as ICE director to be. Problem solved.

See? This Govt thing is easy.

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How about this piece of work?:

https://x.com/tyrannideris/status/1856186587618714054

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this is very very troubling? has 47 announced this?

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Dr. Paul, PLEASE take the blinders off. OF COURSE, Trump knows about this. He's in it up to his neck. If he's not, then he's the STUPIDEST IDIOT WHOEVER GOT INTO THE WH!!!! Do you really think he's that stupid?

Dr. Paul, you clearly have some soul searching to do. You need to stop making excuses for Trump.

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Trump has been using him as his econ advisor w/out extending him official job title, yet.

Seems like 45,46&47 is suffering from some kind of CogDis amnesia.....

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Nope, Trump is all in on it. Don't be fooled.

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No, Trump has not. Nor Rubio, nor Noem. He HAS announced Ratcliffe, Homan, Stefanik, Miller, none of whom were listed in what appears to be the *leak trap*. Until and unless Trump officially announces, take them all with a grain of salt.

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That sucks. Soros sucks. Ban him and his son from America and doing any business here!

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boom

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This is the last opportunity to deport illegals. Their sheer numbers will overwhelm the local populations in just a few years if this is not made a priority.

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they must all be deported...for sure...anyone left must never vote in any federal election, make laws even

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You can't determine who can vote or not based on that. It would be a nightmare. Sorry, but they ALL broke the law when they came here ILLEGALLY. They ALL need to go. If those who were brought in as kids don't like that, then they can take it up with their parents. That is NOT our problem. They are here ILLEGALLY, and they need to go.

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Getting bad in many towns. We def need to fix Springfield OH and the others where 1000s of uneducated unskilled were dropped living off taxpayers. Fly them back to Haiti.

2 walmarts where I live. 1 is I call the foreign Walmart, usually 50 or more % in there are foreign. Hispanic, African, Asian, everything.

Went to only local mall other day, many Hispanics there, one gave me the evil eye for some reason I just nodded and walked on. They are taking over America.

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it is bad, terrible for they overwhelm...what was done to USA is wrong. and as hard as it is, as I said above, full removal

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Easy solution. Any illegal alien after 30 days still in the USA will be finger printed and identified, then deported. A return trip here to migrate here legally will not be given. Caught here illegally will be the death penalty.

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Voted Trump but very disappointed in some of the picks ... Kristi Noem? Wasn't she terrible with covid / vaccines / connections to Sanford Health, which supposedly denied water to unvaxd people in Ghana and works with gene editing / Noam restricted HCQ / - and murdered a puppy and bragged about it in her book(!).

And other neocon war lovers, Marco Rubio, Elise Stephanik ...

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I just read that Trump has chosen Marco Rubio for Secretary of State. I really hope this is not true. First of all, he needs to stop pulling people from Congress, which would destroy our chances of a majority, and secondly I just don't think Marco Rubio is what we need as Secretary of State. He's not what I would call a good world representative for us. He's weak, he's voted for the wrong side many times, and I also don't think he's very smart. I also don't see him as a good negotiator of world issues. Sorry, but just another bad pick in my opinion. It just never stops.

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Israel will own, outright, the US by the end of Drumph's term. Hate to say it but I smell a rat.

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Edit, Dr. Paul, (from your friendly neighborhood Latin teacher): magnum opus. opus is neuter in gender, thus requires a neuter adjective. (or, as I sang to my students, "nouns and their adjectives must agree in case, and number and gender, but not necessarily in ending)

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Sorry, but I just don't trust Trump at all. Check out David Knight's show today. He clearly exposes who all those rats are that Trump is picking for his administration. It will literally BLOW YOUR MIND!!! You have NO IDEA how corrupt Trump and these people are. Do yourself a favor. Check it out. David Knight doesn't hold back. He doesn't fear anybody. He does his research, and he lays it all out there. DO YOUR RESEARCH!!!!

https://rumble.com/v5ocvf8-the-david-knight-show-11122024.html?e9s=src_v1_ucp

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I could see allowing some illegals who get good asvab scores to join military for non sensitive jobs. We are hurting in US with majority of our teens not eligible due to multiple issues mostly overweight, asthma, etc. These illegals would be awarded citizenship upon completion of at least 3 years of service. But in no way absolutely zero anyone with a gang tattoo. Maybe a basis lie detector test asking if was in prison before coming here?

This brings up my suggestion for allowing some overweight (not no 300 pounders) who could do jobs on bases. A 200 lb overweight can still do maintenance, help load heavy weapons, definitely help cook, etc. Overweight nerds could be good for drone flying, desk jobs etc.

We must get our military numbers way up to counter the huge Chinese military.

ALL recruits starting in Jan 2025 should be taught how to use multiple weapons not just a .45 and rifle. Put all on .50 cal, shoulder mounted rockets, etc. Teach all some security for base and homeland. The day will come when that will be useful.

Reminds me of Switzerland which requires a bunker in most homes and a military rifle.

Yes I'd be happy to get a army rifle. This def will help keep millions of Chinese from unloading ro roes onto our soil which they plan to do.

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this is a very serious issue and your suggestions are important.

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love this "ALL recruits starting in Jan 2025 should be taught how to use multiple weapons not just a .45 and rifle. Put all on .50 cal, shoulder mounted rockets, etc. Teach all some security for base and homeland. The day will come when that will be useful."

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NO WAY!!! They have no allegiance to this country, and could be turned against us. ONLY American born citizens, born to LEGAL AMERICAN CITIZENS should be allowed to enter our military, and that goes for our law enforcement too.

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Kamala was not a legal candidate yet she ran........what am I missing here?

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They're not checking what they should be checking. Nikki Haley was not a legal candidate either. Just like Kamala, both her parents were not citizens of the USA when she was born, and the same goes for Vivek Ramaswany. Our government is a joke. They could care less about our laws at this point. That's more than a little obvious.

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I see your point. My idea is just an idea. Some of these illegals are better Americans than many who were born here. I would rather have them in our military than a woke guy who hates America and guns just wanting trannie surgery who probably run off in combat.

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Sorry, but an "illegal" who BROKE OUR LAWS to get into this country is NOT better than many who were born here. They are CRIMINALS, just by breaking into our country illegally, and they ALL need to go back. YOU JUST CAN'T REWARD ILLEGAL ACTIVITY, or else why even have laws at all? They are just meaningless. THEY ALL HAVE TO GO BACK!!

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Your forgetting actual Americans who hate this country, hate the flag, would burn it everyday, those who would put everyone else in prison for saying he or she instead of them or they, who wants most deplorables dead. So yes many illegals are better than these especially illegals who value freedom.

Let's face it damn impossible to deport all. Those already dropped babies? You know they won't go.

If there were 20 million to remove we'd have to remove almost 55000 a day every day for 4 years. Impossible. Start with the ones who were dumped out of prisons, criminals, pregnant ones before they drop another anchor baby.

I could care less if nobody is left to work in agriculture which is already being brought up. Forces farmers to pay more to put actual citizens to work, good. I'll pay a quarter more for celery to employ actual citizens just as example.

What about the Haitians who are taking over towns? They are here legally but I'd love to see them all go back.

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