Vice Presidential Debate with Vance and Walz; IMO, it was a DRAW...why? these two made Trump & Harris look BETTER; Vance articulated Trump's positions better than Trump & Walz explained for Harris
Vice Presidential Debate with Vance and Walz; IMO, it was a DRAW...why? these two made Trump & Harris look BETTER; Vance articulated Trump's positions better than Trump & Walz explained for Harris
better than she ever could! Vance softened Trump's edges & Walz made Harris seem competent...Walz IMO did fine, just great, Vance did just great, a DRAW; I like Clandestine, see their view on debate
Walz looked like a deer in the headlights, while Vance was cool, calm, and collected. Vance is operating on a mental plane far above Walz.
Then when you add Walz’s gaffes about befriending “school shooters”, learning to govern in China, the horrible optics from some of the weird faces he was making, the contradictions, the lies, and the head-scratching answers; it’s hard to describe this as anything but a colossal catastrophe for the Harris campaign.
Vance came off as understanding and genuine. He was sharp, direct, concise, and stayed even keel, displaying his great leadership qualities, and addressing the core problems Americans are actually concerned about. It was a night and day difference standing next to Walz.
Hopefully, this performance will translate to more support for Trump, particularly in the Rust Belt battleground states that Vance was tasked with appealing to.
Walz didn't win many hearts or minds. Dem women and guys are swooning over JD's make up choices and his "pretty eyes." JD may bring in uncommitted female and gay votes. Walz was Bruce Willis. JD was Leonardo DiCaprio, not as masculine as Walz but more attractive to women and gays.
I guess I shouldn't be surprised certain segments of the population are so unabashedly superficial. Interesting to know what it takes to get their attention (and hopefully their votes).
I actually made a point of noticing Vance's eyes last night after the recent accusations of his wearing eyeliner. I don't think he uses any eye makeup. Could it be that many people are just so unaccustomed to seeing such intensely blue eyes
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that they think it's a trick of some sort?
I'm more impressed with Vance's weight loss since his selection. And I honestly have to laugh at the thought of Walz as masculine (when I'm extremely suspicious of his true "orientation").
The MSM fake news seem to be mostly saying that Vance won and although I preferred Vance I think it was a draw. Walz humanized himself when he called himself "a knucklehead sometimes." That was very clever. Walz looked natural and reassuring as a dour old white man. Vance performed very well as one would expect of a Yale graduate. He didn't come across as Skull and Bones but I think hecame across a bit too "slick Willie." Walz's performance was nowhere near as bad as people were predicting it would be. Walz had a clear victory with women on abortion. I'm keen to see how non-partisan voters rated the debate. Perhaps I'm wrong and it wasn't a draw and Vance won the battle.
You make some good points though I felt Walz was so far out of his league on the same stage as Vance that the thought of him possibly "one heartbeat away" from the Presidency is bewildering and alarming.
The fake news are claiming Vance won on style but lost on substance, in contrast to Harris who they claim won her debate against Trump on both style and substance.
Comrade K had the answers for the debate. She went to Philly that week to practice. You think that she wasn't in the venue during that time. They had things set up way before Trump arrived. Well, even JOE was in Philly that
Why is ABORTION the killing of babies so important? Killing BABIES wasn't so important in other elections. The Leftists want more abortions so the selling of baby organs rise.
It's a big business, you know. JD won that debate. Walz is a Communist just like
Well Lynn, you make great points here (profit) but I don’t think women have a bond for their unborn children any more. You actually answered your own question about “why”. It’s called lazy, excuses, irresponsible and selfishness so they kill their UNBORN. They don’t want the burden…let’s just kill it. All excuses for your dumbass action. And they call that “healthcare” 😂 it’s a joke. Just close your damn legs…problems solved. But like anyone with sense, there are certain situations like rape and incest but women are so evil and the state has given them license to kill innocence. They think there is nothing wrong with it cause it’s legal, but ever notice they do not want to talk about it either🤷♂️. That’s because they are ashamed! My SIL had three by her own husband and she thought the people, the conservatives in the family would not find out. Foolish and evil BITCH! She’s an old and sick leftist hag! I’d hate to be in her shoes when God is sentencing her. Poor little innocent babies🙏🙏.
And that may be soon because she took all the jabs and now heart and clot problems. She bought right into the BS because she thought she was going to die. She doesn’t want to die but has no problem sending her unborn children to death. She’s a nice person🙄.
Second marriage and she goes to this camp every month with a lot of old hags that stand around a campfire and bitch about Trump. 😂OMG….these hags with cigarettes and pot and mouths…can you imagine! 😀😂😀😂 It’s like TDS is her life! She is full of so much hate for a man that’s just a man that believes in our freedom🤷♂️. You can’t fix stupid and you damn sure can’t fix hate unless you love the Lord!
It's mostly women and uncommitted voters who care about abortion although substantial numbers of Republcans are pro-abortion too. Walz was politically astute to instance supposed actual cases of a woman who died as well as one who was raped and impregnated by her stepfather. Many women are not happy to hear about women dying.
Now that some hours have elapsed it's becoming clear that JD Vance won the hearts of even some Dem women and gays, partly due to his "pretty eyes" and the perception that he uses eyeliner. He's reportedly being begged for make-up tips. This comment below by a Talor Swift fan commenting in the Daily Mail is a classic:
"I am a Taylor Swift fan, but even I can tell you that she picked the wrong candidate: man, that JD Vance is so YUM, if he were single, she'd be on top of him like mold on a cool air-conditioning unit. Let's tell all the Swifties we don't need to be brain-less sheep and vote like the Snake. Pass it on, she's wrong this time!"
JD Vance's eyeliner distracts Walz VP debate viewers as they beg him for make-up tips
JD Vance and Tim Walz faced off in the vice presidential debate on Saturday night - but many viewers were too distracted by Vance's eyeliner to pay attention to the policies
Fun to read the 'eye-opening' positive comments in favor of Vance on the Daily Mail article. A good sign.
The DM reports even disgraced former Congressman George Santos weighed in (interestingly with 'technical' commentary using terms more common among make-up artists and models). It's his (diversity) opinion that Vance is make-up free.
Vance may turn out to be this election cycle's JFK or Dan Quayle, appealing to the uninformed on the basis of their sex appeal alone.
I suspect the Taylor Swift fan I quoted is a gay male. Taylor does not seem to be physically attracted to feminized men. It's interesting that Vance is seen as "pretty" rather than "handsome." It's good though if women and gays are inclined more now to vote for him.
I'd say Vance is an above-average looking regular guy but not someone who sparks my interest physically.
Wrt Taylor's boyfriends, the brawny football player seems to be the anomaly. Her publicly flaunted exes include the following more delicate men, not that there's anything wrong with that...
English actors Joe Alwyn & Tom Hiddleston; boy-bander Harry Styles; Conor Kennedy, son of RFK Jr; and American celebrities Jake Gyllenhall, John Mayer, Corey Monteith and Taylor Lautner.
Maybe it's real love this time with Travis Kelce the Pfizer spokesman. Who knows? I hope so if that's what she wants. A lifetime as a childless cat lady seems like a sad fate. (He seems Ike a bonehead to me.)
I have to concede the deer in the headlights look was a bit weird and Vance does have some charisma. Hopefully Vance picks up a few celebrity endorsements because that may help, more than than his good grasp of the facts, to pick up votes from women.
Both candidates exceeded their very low expectations. I'm hoping Vance, who seemed far more polished and sophisticated than Walz, is judged the winner by the public and not just by partisans and the talking heads.
I'd say Vance hit the right notes in the debate to satisfy his and Trump's supporters while accomplishing what he needed most to do: to convince undecideds that the desperate lies about his personality, his integrity, and his policies spread by the media, Democrats, and 'never Trumpers' cannot be justified.
He was astute, reasonable, and likable. He refrained from demolishing his intellectual inferior, catching Walz off-guard, even gaining Walz' unexpected expressions of admiration, whether sincere or not.
It wasn’t exciting enough but Vance did win. I like the Trump comebacks with facts and truth and passion and that’s why he is the one we are voting for. Let Trump be Trump!
Vance outdone this ass but Trump shocks the world! 😀
it is time we repealed Obamacare, fix our borders, restore our culture, again Savage, this is Savage...abolish depart of education....we must restore the military
Originally I expected the debate to be more Tweedledum and Tweedledee but surprisingly the candidates appeared mature got their messages through . I’m inclined to agree w/ you Doc it could be considered a draw . However going further Vance certainly looked like a statesman . I thought he might have gone on too much w/ housing and immigrants a bit much but he is no hillbilly that’s for sure .
Although it's a major turn off for men, women are unfortunately going to be impressed by Walz's line about Harris having support from Bernie Sanders, Dick Cheney and Taylor Swift.
You could be right and the fact he went on and on about women’s health care a/k/a killing your baby🤷♂️! (Health care my ass.)
Lynn’s right, we don’t need these women. They are diabolical with their thoughts and actions of killing their unborn children. Conservative women DO NOT kill their unborn🤷♂️.
I am 100% unplugged. I will just vote Trump and straight R when the time comes. All who wish to be in a suicide cult can vote D and then please go to Walgreens for your flu shot, rsv shot, and covid shot. Ashish Jha might we disappointed we don't have three arms, one for each shot, but maybe they can inject the third one on a leg, whaddoIknow 😂😂
Just a 1% help with women and undecided would be a game changer, coupled with current events of Helene, Iran, and the doc strike and it could be over for Harris.
Vance could have hit harder at Kamala and made AWalz look worse. He missed many opportunities.
He was focused on helping his own image and someone who could be POTUS if something happened to Trump.
TBH, if Trump was assassinated now, I think JD would beat Kamala. "They" may call off the assassinations as a result.
I was hoping at the end, Vance would have asked for a 2nd debate - on Fox - where it wouldn't be 3 on 1 like these past 2 debates. Or maybe a foursome, so Waltz can hold Kamala's hand.
Paul: I am in PA (Harrisburg). When JD Vance now goes to PA, MI and WI, he will now get huge crowds and really help. Already some better polls have Trump winning in PA and WI, especially after factoring in that pollsters are underweighting Republicans by several percent.
Atlas Intel has Trump sweeping the Rust Belt by an average of 3%.
A little more and we may have Republican Senators from PA and MI.
I am donating to them again, as soon as I finish this comment.
PS: I still prefer DeSantis for 2028, but JD should have a major role.
That was the biggest failure of Vance, but the biased moderators didn't help.
It was only one leftist Republican Senator in the end that supported that amnesty bill, Lisa Murkowski. Nearly every other Republican knew it was an amnesty bill.
Vance took the stance not to attack Tampon Tim and could have been much stronger calling out Kamala for stabbing Joe Biden in the back over the 25th Amendment.
Vance's goal was to come across as the Brad Pitt of politics, likeable by men, but especially by women. He won the Health Care argument, normally a Dem. advantage.
Vance missed missed many opportunities, but when watching the highlights, he did even better than when watching live.
JD reminds me of Brad Pitt. He is likeable to men, but especially to woman, after this debate. Ted Cruz is not as likeable.
But the more you get to know DeSantis, the more likeable he is. DeSantis as Governor has already "been there-done that", and received a record 19.5% victory in a state that Obama won twice.
DeSantis flew illegals to where the elitists live. He would do fine debating illegal immigration and he is the champion of debating DEI (aka Division, Exclusion and Indoctrination) and other Woke topics.
DeSantis sold himself out to the Rhinos that call themselves Republicans. He's my Governor but he would never get my vote for President. I don't want a JEB! Bush puppet. Do you live in PA? I hope McCormick can beat Casey!
100% false about DeSantis, but if Trump wins and Trump backs DeSantis over Vance, Ron will be unstoppable in 2028. He is waaaaay more experienced as head of the 13th largest world economy. But Vance reminds me of Brad Pitt, after this debate. Both men and especially women will like him.
I am in PA, and am about to donate again to McCormick, now that he finally came out with an ad proving that Casey is the one who is extreme on abortion.
If Trump can win PA by at least 3%, I think McCormick wins. Abortion is the issue that has damaged outcomes in PA by at least 4%.. Dr Oz never spoke out and that is why he lost against a terrible opponent for Senate in 2022.
The Senate Republican PACs are now advertising hard tying Casey to Biden/Harris.
McCormick is finally (that's why polls are tightening) having his own common sense ads, but he still hasn't debunked much of the Casey ads about McCormick being tied to China and not being a home grown Pennsylvanian.
Personally JD won the debate for me, Walz was nervous, moving constantly, hands waving, sweating, so no Walz did not win. JD kept his cool even when moderators crossed the fact checking line, they shut him down which was not supposed to be allowed! Kamala won no points there, she lost ground.
Vance was polished and faultless. Walz came across as if he was running for Governor again. I enjoyed this debate infinitely more than the presidential debates.
Today when I was out doing errands I saw my first Harris/Walz yard sign. The man who lives there is a retired gay teacher cat lady. There are a lot more Trump signs and banners in this town.
Yes. He's a big talent in terms of his writing and commentary. Very bright, fair-minded, has a rich historical perspective, and a biting sense of humor.
(Also a big softie when it comes to his pets and, unexpectedly, to the cute animal videos he posts -- and he loves baseball.)
CBS "moderator" Margaret Brennan is also a director at the liberal-fascist Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) which has controlled the US govt and media since WW2. Most of the "Biden team" are CFR members, including Blinken, Yellen, Austin, Mayorkas, Burns, Zients, and dozens more.
I think we're at a point where we have to realize the corporate media are all scumbag propagandist. That being said the corporate media influence isn't much anymore. By the end of this decade when the vast majority of late silent generation and early baby boomer types are gone who will be their audience? Hell I'm in my 60s and I know of no one that watches cable or network news or reads a newspaper.
Look at the clowns at MSDNC, CNN and even Fox News. I wouldn't trust them to deliver the weather.
Dr Paul, sorry to say if you think the Debate between Vance and Waltz was a draw, then you have your head completely up your a_ s and even C4 couldn't blast it free. I do wish you could refrain from a lot of the vulgar words you use, they have no place and you could find more meaningful ways to express yourself. Do that and I may become a Paid Subscriber.
he is...but we are talking about the debates and how they performed...people miss the point of the review...JD if I were a woman would feel he is anti woman...but a way better choice than Walz...as to the debate, I think both did just ok, just fine...no one was a clear winner.
I do see your perspective. You have an ability to evaluate strategically with a neutral eye.
I felt Vance hit the right notes in the debate to satisfy his and Trump's supporters while accomplishing what he needed most to do: to convince 'undecideds' that the desperate lies about his personality, his integrity, and his policies spread by the media, Democrats, and 'never Trumpers' cannot be justified.
He was astute, reasonable, and likable. He refrained from demolishing his intellectual inferior, catching Walz off-guard, even gaining Walz' unexpected expressions of admiration, whether sincere or not.
His words and demeanor made clear Vance is not the monster or "weirdo" his opponents tried to smear him as.
P.S. I find men like Vance more "pro-women" (and therefore more attractive intellectually) than weakling men who cheerlead their sex-object women in their quest for serial, unlimited "abortion rights" disguised as "reproductive health care." A true man wants to share his inherited traits and traditions with his offspring and support his like-minded wife who shares his vision for their family.
Vance clearly showed why you and some of the clueless posters in your threads [cough, cough, Awake, cough] were off your rocker saying Trump picked the wrong VP. Only thing Walz did was show America, hard as it is to comprehend, there is someone as dumb as Kamala on politics.
Vance remains the wrong pick...America does not need a Vance POTUS...maybe in 30 years. not now. Trump may not serve full term health etc. Vance can talk Trump's positions better than Trump. I detest Walz but he did good too. I call it a draw. Trump did not pick Vance, he was picked for Trump. There is lots I and others can say but cant. But this is now obvious.
JD did well and outperformed expectations. He's not as good as Ted Cruz would have been but he is a polished performer and even has some charisma. Walz also outperformed expectations. Walz was smart to be homespun and self-effacing. He did come across as dumb but hopefully not like Columbo.
good analysis too...I wanted Vance to win this but I dont have my head up my MAGA ass...I call things properly...I like you ANW, you too not cupping balls
Quoting Clandestine:
"JD Vance just MASSACRED Tim Walz!
Walz looked like a deer in the headlights, while Vance was cool, calm, and collected. Vance is operating on a mental plane far above Walz.
Then when you add Walz’s gaffes about befriending “school shooters”, learning to govern in China, the horrible optics from some of the weird faces he was making, the contradictions, the lies, and the head-scratching answers; it’s hard to describe this as anything but a colossal catastrophe for the Harris campaign.
Vance came off as understanding and genuine. He was sharp, direct, concise, and stayed even keel, displaying his great leadership qualities, and addressing the core problems Americans are actually concerned about. It was a night and day difference standing next to Walz.
Hopefully, this performance will translate to more support for Trump, particularly in the Rust Belt battleground states that Vance was tasked with appealing to.
What a performance from JD Vance."
https://bioclandestine.substack.com/p/full-vp-debate-analysis
Walz’s record of just simply politically dumb sand selfish actions as well as fabrications
proceeds his debate posture -thereby seriously challenging his present stance-
Walz didn't win many hearts or minds. Dem women and guys are swooning over JD's make up choices and his "pretty eyes." JD may bring in uncommitted female and gay votes. Walz was Bruce Willis. JD was Leonardo DiCaprio, not as masculine as Walz but more attractive to women and gays.
I guess I shouldn't be surprised certain segments of the population are so unabashedly superficial. Interesting to know what it takes to get their attention (and hopefully their votes).
I actually made a point of noticing Vance's eyes last night after the recent accusations of his wearing eyeliner. I don't think he uses any eye makeup. Could it be that many people are just so unaccustomed to seeing such intensely blue eyes
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that they think it's a trick of some sort?
I'm more impressed with Vance's weight loss since his selection. And I honestly have to laugh at the thought of Walz as masculine (when I'm extremely suspicious of his true "orientation").
Masculine "appearing."
The MSM fake news seem to be mostly saying that Vance won and although I preferred Vance I think it was a draw. Walz humanized himself when he called himself "a knucklehead sometimes." That was very clever. Walz looked natural and reassuring as a dour old white man. Vance performed very well as one would expect of a Yale graduate. He didn't come across as Skull and Bones but I think hecame across a bit too "slick Willie." Walz's performance was nowhere near as bad as people were predicting it would be. Walz had a clear victory with women on abortion. I'm keen to see how non-partisan voters rated the debate. Perhaps I'm wrong and it wasn't a draw and Vance won the battle.
You make some good points though I felt Walz was so far out of his league on the same stage as Vance that the thought of him possibly "one heartbeat away" from the Presidency is bewildering and alarming.
For sure. One heartbeat away!
The fake news are claiming Vance won on style but lost on substance, in contrast to Harris who they claim won her debate against Trump on both style and substance.
Comrade K had the answers for the debate. She went to Philly that week to practice. You think that she wasn't in the venue during that time. They had things set up way before Trump arrived. Well, even JOE was in Philly that
week. Style and SUBSTANCE. What a laugh :-)
Walz undoubtedly satisfied his media pimps with the "substance" of his bumbling content.
Why is ABORTION the killing of babies so important? Killing BABIES wasn't so important in other elections. The Leftists want more abortions so the selling of baby organs rise.
It's a big business, you know. JD won that debate. Walz is a Communist just like
Comrade K. That's all we need to know.
Well Lynn, you make great points here (profit) but I don’t think women have a bond for their unborn children any more. You actually answered your own question about “why”. It’s called lazy, excuses, irresponsible and selfishness so they kill their UNBORN. They don’t want the burden…let’s just kill it. All excuses for your dumbass action. And they call that “healthcare” 😂 it’s a joke. Just close your damn legs…problems solved. But like anyone with sense, there are certain situations like rape and incest but women are so evil and the state has given them license to kill innocence. They think there is nothing wrong with it cause it’s legal, but ever notice they do not want to talk about it either🤷♂️. That’s because they are ashamed! My SIL had three by her own husband and she thought the people, the conservatives in the family would not find out. Foolish and evil BITCH! She’s an old and sick leftist hag! I’d hate to be in her shoes when God is sentencing her. Poor little innocent babies🙏🙏.
And that may be soon because she took all the jabs and now heart and clot problems. She bought right into the BS because she thought she was going to die. She doesn’t want to die but has no problem sending her unborn children to death. She’s a nice person🙄.
Unfortunate she selected your brother to marry.
She’s actually my husband’s sister…lol.
Second marriage and she goes to this camp every month with a lot of old hags that stand around a campfire and bitch about Trump. 😂OMG….these hags with cigarettes and pot and mouths…can you imagine! 😀😂😀😂 It’s like TDS is her life! She is full of so much hate for a man that’s just a man that believes in our freedom🤷♂️. You can’t fix stupid and you damn sure can’t fix hate unless you love the Lord!
It's mostly women and uncommitted voters who care about abortion although substantial numbers of Republcans are pro-abortion too. Walz was politically astute to instance supposed actual cases of a woman who died as well as one who was raped and impregnated by her stepfather. Many women are not happy to hear about women dying.
What I want to know is why the BABY is the one being left out here. In Walz's
Minnesota there was an incident where babies born were left to DIE. That's the Leftists murderous infanticide.
Yet they're content to ignore all the jab-related deaths and the fact that proportionately more women have been harmed by covid injections.
Add Marxist in there, too.
Walz is not a braindead retard like Lala and FJB, unfortunately. Currently watching this: https://youtu.be/NS5MaGF34-E?si=Ul_2ArGxtWruNLOP
Fun to watch Rickk's reactions (whoever he is?). Similar to my own, at least in the 10 minutes I just watched.
Now that some hours have elapsed it's becoming clear that JD Vance won the hearts of even some Dem women and gays, partly due to his "pretty eyes" and the perception that he uses eyeliner. He's reportedly being begged for make-up tips. This comment below by a Talor Swift fan commenting in the Daily Mail is a classic:
"I am a Taylor Swift fan, but even I can tell you that she picked the wrong candidate: man, that JD Vance is so YUM, if he were single, she'd be on top of him like mold on a cool air-conditioning unit. Let's tell all the Swifties we don't need to be brain-less sheep and vote like the Snake. Pass it on, she's wrong this time!"
JD Vance's eyeliner distracts Walz VP debate viewers as they beg him for make-up tips
JD Vance and Tim Walz faced off in the vice presidential debate on Saturday night - but many viewers were too distracted by Vance's eyeliner to pay attention to the policies
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/jd-vances-eyeliner-distracts-walz-33798942
Internet fascinated by JD Vance's 'pretty eyes' during VP debate against Tim Walz
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13914401/Internet-fascinated-JD-Vances-pretty-eyes-VP-debate-against-Tim-Walz.html
Very amusing!
Fun to read the 'eye-opening' positive comments in favor of Vance on the Daily Mail article. A good sign.
The DM reports even disgraced former Congressman George Santos weighed in (interestingly with 'technical' commentary using terms more common among make-up artists and models). It's his (diversity) opinion that Vance is make-up free.
Vance may turn out to be this election cycle's JFK or Dan Quayle, appealing to the uninformed on the basis of their sex appeal alone.
I suspect the Taylor Swift fan I quoted is a gay male. Taylor does not seem to be physically attracted to feminized men. It's interesting that Vance is seen as "pretty" rather than "handsome." It's good though if women and gays are inclined more now to vote for him.
: ) I share your suspicion.
I'd say Vance is an above-average looking regular guy but not someone who sparks my interest physically.
Wrt Taylor's boyfriends, the brawny football player seems to be the anomaly. Her publicly flaunted exes include the following more delicate men, not that there's anything wrong with that...
English actors Joe Alwyn & Tom Hiddleston; boy-bander Harry Styles; Conor Kennedy, son of RFK Jr; and American celebrities Jake Gyllenhall, John Mayer, Corey Monteith and Taylor Lautner.
Maybe it's real love this time with Travis Kelce the Pfizer spokesman. Who knows? I hope so if that's what she wants. A lifetime as a childless cat lady seems like a sad fate. (He seems Ike a bonehead to me.)
Rickk is awesome. Bet ya Paul would like him too.
I saw Paul's post first, then Clandestine.
HI, funny, I just posted the link to Clandestine too, and then saw your comment!
I did not know you had your stack out, why did you not say, I will promote it...
: )
I have to concede the deer in the headlights look was a bit weird and Vance does have some charisma. Hopefully Vance picks up a few celebrity endorsements because that may help, more than than his good grasp of the facts, to pick up votes from women.
How could I not fully appreciate this comment for the charming reluctance of its first sentence and the accurate criticism of the second sentence?
Both candidates exceeded their very low expectations. I'm hoping Vance, who seemed far more polished and sophisticated than Walz, is judged the winner by the public and not just by partisans and the talking heads.
I'd say Vance hit the right notes in the debate to satisfy his and Trump's supporters while accomplishing what he needed most to do: to convince undecideds that the desperate lies about his personality, his integrity, and his policies spread by the media, Democrats, and 'never Trumpers' cannot be justified.
He was astute, reasonable, and likable. He refrained from demolishing his intellectual inferior, catching Walz off-guard, even gaining Walz' unexpected expressions of admiration, whether sincere or not.
It wasn’t exciting enough but Vance did win. I like the Trump comebacks with facts and truth and passion and that’s why he is the one we are voting for. Let Trump be Trump!
Vance outdone this ass but Trump shocks the world! 😀
Why not be real! That’s what we want!
Yay for President Trump And JD Vance.
Both are great together!
yes best option we have...and not exciting.
Trump is the best option...Vance did well IMO and Walz...neither hurt their leaders.
Trump has to fix the economy cut taxes get out of nafta, rebuild the infrastructure...sounds a lot like Doc Savage
it is time we repealed Obamacare, fix our borders, restore our culture, again Savage, this is Savage...abolish depart of education....we must restore the military
Trump must defeat the war machine
need peace with Russia, not war, we must defeat the RINOs, we must defend first amendment, the 2nd amendment, 4th amendment
Trump must defeat the deepstate....we need Doc Savage as a key advisor now...
YOU really know how to put a lot on one person.j
Originally I expected the debate to be more Tweedledum and Tweedledee but surprisingly the candidates appeared mature got their messages through . I’m inclined to agree w/ you Doc it could be considered a draw . However going further Vance certainly looked like a statesman . I thought he might have gone on too much w/ housing and immigrants a bit much but he is no hillbilly that’s for sure .
Illegal immigration. I was glad that he talked about it. Illegals are destroying our Country. Brought to you by none other than Border Czar Comrade K.
YES...Great together.
Although it's a major turn off for men, women are unfortunately going to be impressed by Walz's line about Harris having support from Bernie Sanders, Dick Cheney and Taylor Swift.
We don't need women like them.
You could be right and the fact he went on and on about women’s health care a/k/a killing your baby🤷♂️! (Health care my ass.)
Lynn’s right, we don’t need these women. They are diabolical with their thoughts and actions of killing their unborn children. Conservative women DO NOT kill their unborn🤷♂️.
I am 100% unplugged. I will just vote Trump and straight R when the time comes. All who wish to be in a suicide cult can vote D and then please go to Walgreens for your flu shot, rsv shot, and covid shot. Ashish Jha might we disappointed we don't have three arms, one for each shot, but maybe they can inject the third one on a leg, whaddoIknow 😂😂
Or somewhere else, if you know what I mean :-) YES....those JAB lovers can always count on Walgreens.
I saw Walz nodding and agreeing so much with Vance that I think he will now be voting for Trump/Vance.
😂
Just a 1% help with women and undecided would be a game changer, coupled with current events of Helene, Iran, and the doc strike and it could be over for Harris.
Vance could have hit harder at Kamala and made AWalz look worse. He missed many opportunities.
He was focused on helping his own image and someone who could be POTUS if something happened to Trump.
TBH, if Trump was assassinated now, I think JD would beat Kamala. "They" may call off the assassinations as a result.
I was hoping at the end, Vance would have asked for a 2nd debate - on Fox - where it wouldn't be 3 on 1 like these past 2 debates. Or maybe a foursome, so Waltz can hold Kamala's hand.
Paul: I am in PA (Harrisburg). When JD Vance now goes to PA, MI and WI, he will now get huge crowds and really help. Already some better polls have Trump winning in PA and WI, especially after factoring in that pollsters are underweighting Republicans by several percent.
Atlas Intel has Trump sweeping the Rust Belt by an average of 3%.
A little more and we may have Republican Senators from PA and MI.
I am donating to them again, as soon as I finish this comment.
PS: I still prefer DeSantis for 2028, but JD should have a major role.
very nice post Gerald...let us hope JD helps daddy T...this will be great. needed and we need.
JD performed far better than DeSantis would have but neither are in the same league as Ted Cruz.
I was wishing it was Cruz up there to destroy the Senate border bill
That was the biggest failure of Vance, but the biased moderators didn't help.
It was only one leftist Republican Senator in the end that supported that amnesty bill, Lisa Murkowski. Nearly every other Republican knew it was an amnesty bill.
Vance took the stance not to attack Tampon Tim and could have been much stronger calling out Kamala for stabbing Joe Biden in the back over the 25th Amendment.
Vance's goal was to come across as the Brad Pitt of politics, likeable by men, but especially by women. He won the Health Care argument, normally a Dem. advantage.
Vance missed missed many opportunities, but when watching the highlights, he did even better than when watching live.
Ted Cruz is Ted Cruz that's why.
JD reminds me of Brad Pitt. He is likeable to men, but especially to woman, after this debate. Ted Cruz is not as likeable.
But the more you get to know DeSantis, the more likeable he is. DeSantis as Governor has already "been there-done that", and received a record 19.5% victory in a state that Obama won twice.
DeSantis flew illegals to where the elitists live. He would do fine debating illegal immigration and he is the champion of debating DEI (aka Division, Exclusion and Indoctrination) and other Woke topics.
DeSantis sold himself out to the Rhinos that call themselves Republicans. He's my Governor but he would never get my vote for President. I don't want a JEB! Bush puppet. Do you live in PA? I hope McCormick can beat Casey!
100% false about DeSantis, but if Trump wins and Trump backs DeSantis over Vance, Ron will be unstoppable in 2028. He is waaaaay more experienced as head of the 13th largest world economy. But Vance reminds me of Brad Pitt, after this debate. Both men and especially women will like him.
I am in PA, and am about to donate again to McCormick, now that he finally came out with an ad proving that Casey is the one who is extreme on abortion.
If Trump can win PA by at least 3%, I think McCormick wins. Abortion is the issue that has damaged outcomes in PA by at least 4%.. Dr Oz never spoke out and that is why he lost against a terrible opponent for Senate in 2022.
The Senate Republican PACs are now advertising hard tying Casey to Biden/Harris.
McCormick is finally (that's why polls are tightening) having his own common sense ads, but he still hasn't debunked much of the Casey ads about McCormick being tied to China and not being a home grown Pennsylvanian.
Personally JD won the debate for me, Walz was nervous, moving constantly, hands waving, sweating, so no Walz did not win. JD kept his cool even when moderators crossed the fact checking line, they shut him down which was not supposed to be allowed! Kamala won no points there, she lost ground.
Vance was too soft on Walz. What about his Covid snitch line?
Governor Snitch. A tyrannical governor sets up a Covid snitch line turning neighbor against neighbor. Listen to the hit song. https://turfseer.substack.com/p/governor-snitch
Vance was polished and faultless. Walz came across as if he was running for Governor again. I enjoyed this debate infinitely more than the presidential debates.
Today when I was out doing errands I saw my first Harris/Walz yard sign. The man who lives there is a retired gay teacher cat lady. There are a lot more Trump signs and banners in this town.
boom, I will run Clandestine
I always appreciate your take on things as well Paul.
The way to win votes (and not have Trump haters hate you too) is to do what I am about to do for the first time.
I will be putting out STOP KAMUNISM signs showing Kamala with a huge laugh,.
I will also have a sign with Trump + the former Democrat darlings, RFK Jr. and Tusi Gabbard, saying this is not about Party, but about saving America.
I will be putting the same signs out by my office, which is at an intersection where thousands of cars pass every day.
Its too bad Trump's campaign isn't pushing anti-Kamunism signs. That is a blunder.
Fortunately they are available from Etsy and Printerval.
There is also a bumper type sign showing Kamala - "I AM A LIAR" that I will put on the back window of my SUV window.
I took a nap. Skipped the debate. I will read the various commentaries. Here's one I just received:
https://open.substack.com/pub/bioclandestine/p/full-vp-debate-analysis?r=1657tz&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
You might also enjoy Simulation Commander's accurate and humorous paraphrasing of the entire debate:
https://simulationcommander.substack.com/p/the-vice-clown-debate
I like simmulation
Yes. He's a big talent in terms of his writing and commentary. Very bright, fair-minded, has a rich historical perspective, and a biting sense of humor.
(Also a big softie when it comes to his pets and, unexpectedly, to the cute animal videos he posts -- and he loves baseball.)
Admirable and endearing qualities.
Same here.
CBS "moderator" Margaret Brennan is also a director at the liberal-fascist Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) which has controlled the US govt and media since WW2. Most of the "Biden team" are CFR members, including Blinken, Yellen, Austin, Mayorkas, Burns, Zients, and dozens more.
So much for "unbiased" journalism. Here's a recent sample: cfr.org/event/tackling-evolving-threat-landscape-homeland-security-2023
I think we're at a point where we have to realize the corporate media are all scumbag propagandist. That being said the corporate media influence isn't much anymore. By the end of this decade when the vast majority of late silent generation and early baby boomer types are gone who will be their audience? Hell I'm in my 60s and I know of no one that watches cable or network news or reads a newspaper.
Look at the clowns at MSDNC, CNN and even Fox News. I wouldn't trust them to deliver the weather.
Dr Paul, sorry to say if you think the Debate between Vance and Waltz was a draw, then you have your head completely up your a_ s and even C4 couldn't blast it free. I do wish you could refrain from a lot of the vulgar words you use, they have no place and you could find more meaningful ways to express yourself. Do that and I may become a Paid Subscriber.
I say Vance was stronger if the viewer knows the truth about the boarder, inflation etc. Walz did fine to uninformed viewers.
It's hard to believe even Democrats could think Walz is anything but a very dangerous buffoon.
he is...but we are talking about the debates and how they performed...people miss the point of the review...JD if I were a woman would feel he is anti woman...but a way better choice than Walz...as to the debate, I think both did just ok, just fine...no one was a clear winner.
I do see your perspective. You have an ability to evaluate strategically with a neutral eye.
I felt Vance hit the right notes in the debate to satisfy his and Trump's supporters while accomplishing what he needed most to do: to convince 'undecideds' that the desperate lies about his personality, his integrity, and his policies spread by the media, Democrats, and 'never Trumpers' cannot be justified.
He was astute, reasonable, and likable. He refrained from demolishing his intellectual inferior, catching Walz off-guard, even gaining Walz' unexpected expressions of admiration, whether sincere or not.
His words and demeanor made clear Vance is not the monster or "weirdo" his opponents tried to smear him as.
P.S. I find men like Vance more "pro-women" (and therefore more attractive intellectually) than weakling men who cheerlead their sex-object women in their quest for serial, unlimited "abortion rights" disguised as "reproductive health care." A true man wants to share his inherited traits and traditions with his offspring and support his like-minded wife who shares his vision for their family.
Vance clearly showed why you and some of the clueless posters in your threads [cough, cough, Awake, cough] were off your rocker saying Trump picked the wrong VP. Only thing Walz did was show America, hard as it is to comprehend, there is someone as dumb as Kamala on politics.
Vance remains the wrong pick...America does not need a Vance POTUS...maybe in 30 years. not now. Trump may not serve full term health etc. Vance can talk Trump's positions better than Trump. I detest Walz but he did good too. I call it a draw. Trump did not pick Vance, he was picked for Trump. There is lots I and others can say but cant. But this is now obvious.
Hmm...I wish I knew what you know.
JD did well and outperformed expectations. He's not as good as Ted Cruz would have been but he is a polished performer and even has some charisma. Walz also outperformed expectations. Walz was smart to be homespun and self-effacing. He did come across as dumb but hopefully not like Columbo.
good analysis too...I wanted Vance to win this but I dont have my head up my MAGA ass...I call things properly...I like you ANW, you too not cupping balls