Two dose people are still considered vaccinated in Canada. Ye they get to travel even though most of them are no longer technically vaccinate. Mandates remain in place as coercion to get people vaccinated. Situation dire in Canada. Completely incoherent and repugnant.
The rhetoric makes it sound like they want this to keep going indefinite. But their position is not tenable - ethically or scientifically. So yes, it could very well soon. However, it's Justin Trudeau and there's no telling where he takes his mental illness. Indeed in God's hands ultimately. Just still can't believe Canada went this far.
What is the agenda behind the mandatory vax that our 'leaders' are adamant to enforce this experimental jab. PMs, State/provincial Premiers, and their health officers are hysterical.
Equally hysterical, if not more, are the physicians and epidemiologists at academic institutions. The 'scientific' class is in a trance. What's hilarious is don't they see Europe no longer has mandates? I suppose we'll have to wait for the U.S. to smarten up and drag us into reality.
An incorrect statement: "73% of deaths occurred in those vaccinated (fully and boosted)." That is a table not of all deaths, nor a table of deaths due to COVID-19, but of those deaths that occurred within 28 days of a positive COVID-19 test. Most of those deaths may have been incidental to the presence of the virus. Indeed, only 51 deaths so far have been determined as likely caused by COVID-19 but there is no vaccination status breakdown on those. You also haven't weighted the deaths by the population in each age group by vaccination status. (for example, almost all of those over 80 have been fully vaccinated but there are a significant number of deaths in the Not Fully Vaccinated category).
One wonders why you missed out the title of that table: "Age and vaccination status of deaths within 28 days of being reported as a case "
So far, 51 deaths in NZ have been classified as occurring due to COVID-19. 25 deaths occurred before vaccinations started in NZ (so all of those were unvaccinated deaths). Of the remaining 26 deaths, the NZ health service have let me know that 13 were not fully vaccinated (so they lump together unvaccinated and partially vaccinated), 7 were fully vaccinated and 3 were boosted. Though I can't really calculate relative risks of COVID-19 deaths (because they didn't give me a time series of that breakdown) most of those deaths have occurred since well over half of NZers had been fully vaccinated so it's clear that the unvaccinated and partially vaccinated are well over represented in the data we have so far.
Is there any data comparing adverse events and deaths for one dose vs. two doses vs. a booster (or two) and also comparing all this to TOTALLY unvaccinated. I think the "not fully vaccinated" category is a bit dicey. Seems like we need at least 4 categories...the control group compared to the 3 others.
But not the whole story. You're about 3 times as likely to be hospitalised AND have COVID-19 if you're unvaccinated as you are if you're boosted. But even this is not the whole story as hospitalised COVID-19 patients were not all hospitalised because of COVID-19. When this is factored in, the ratio goes up to between 5 and 8 times as likely if you're unvaccinated. Cases are a different matter and there are lots of complications there on doing the numbers but it's not as significant a number as hopitalisations and deaths.
It's only stunning superficially. It doesn't represent the real picture for deaths due to COVID-19. By the way, about 80% of the whole population is fully vaccinated.
How did what help? If you're referring to the vaccine, it's impossible to know exactly, because the data aren't available. However, from the data that is available, we can see that the unvaccinated are about 5 to 8 times as likely to be hospitalised due to covid as those who are boosted and about 2 to 3 times as likely as the double vaccinated. There is no clear data on deaths.
I'm not sure what you mean by "the exact opposite". Using just the raw data, and allowing for a lag between being vaccinated and the vaccine becoming effective plus a lag between becoming a case and needing hospital treatment, then the unvaccinated are 3 times as likely to be hospitalised as the boosted. However, the data we're given is just for hospitalisions of people who have tested positive for COVID-19. That includes those who happen to be in hospital for other reasons. Indeed, many hospitalised cases are only picked up as cases after seeking hospital treatment for some other ailment, since all hospital admissions are routinely tested. The Directory General of Health mentioned some weeks ago that maybe 50% to 60% of hospitalised cases are in hospital for other reasons. When one allocates 50% to 60% of hospitalisations to the various populations (assuming that there is no difference between unvaccinated and vaccinated people when seeking hospital treatment for other ailments) then the risk factor goes to somewhere between 5 times and 8 times. This is probably an underestimation as it seems more likely that older people will seek hospital treatment for all sorts of reasons.
I'm been tracking these numbers for months trying to get an accurate picture (as I thought that the numbers weren't looking too flash for the vaccines) and discovered that the vaccines appear to be having a pronounced effect, lowering hospitalisations and deaths. As I've mentioned, we haven't got the data to make a definitive statement on deaths but the data on hospitalisations is very clear, even without adjustments I've mentioned. What data do you have? I could probably figure out a way to let you see the spreadsheet I've accumulated (but it's an ODS spreadsheet, using LibreOffice).
Did it dawn on you why the period of 0-14 days post jab isn't allocated to the jabbed? And if so, can you trust any of their data? Or are you completely in peace with the way they collect and present these stats? BTW, who guards the foxes that guard the chicken?
As of the 23rd April, 4,087,428 second doses have been given. Total population is about 5,093,500 (Stats.nz projection) which means 80.2% have been what is termed as fully vaccinated.
Vaccination started February 20, 2021. By April 28, 2022 95% of ages 12+ are fully vaccinated (3,977,808), 55% of ages 5 to 11 had one dose (261,367) and 73% of ages 18+ have had a booster (2,627,258)
Yes. Also, 113,893 5-11 year olds have had a second dose. This makes, now, 4,091,701 who've had 2 doses (though not quite the same number have necessarily been fully vaccinated as some people need a 3rd primary dose but I doubt there are very many who've had 2 doses and not had a needed 3rd primary dose - 31,749 have had a 3rd primary).
I just meant that the age group most vaccinated is also the age group that’s most likely to die, vaccinated or unvaccinated. So I don’t know how much of a role jab played.
I personally don’t see a reason for anyone to get the jab since it doesn’t do what a vax is meant to do. Kids especially shouldn’t bc there is nothing but risk for them.
Not fully vaccinated is not unvacinated..so the stats are worse ..
The stats are just bad. Period. No analysis can be made from those stats, with regard to the efficacy of the vaccine.
You can draw the conclusion that the vaccines don't provide immunity.
Indeed. Not complete immunity and very few vaccines, if any, do so.
Wow good breakdown of the data in this report.
Two dose people are still considered vaccinated in Canada. Ye they get to travel even though most of them are no longer technically vaccinate. Mandates remain in place as coercion to get people vaccinated. Situation dire in Canada. Completely incoherent and repugnant.
Makes me nauseous every time I think about it. Better pray to God that this will be over soon, one way or another.
The rhetoric makes it sound like they want this to keep going indefinite. But their position is not tenable - ethically or scientifically. So yes, it could very well soon. However, it's Justin Trudeau and there's no telling where he takes his mental illness. Indeed in God's hands ultimately. Just still can't believe Canada went this far.
What is the agenda behind the mandatory vax that our 'leaders' are adamant to enforce this experimental jab. PMs, State/provincial Premiers, and their health officers are hysterical.
Equally hysterical, if not more, are the physicians and epidemiologists at academic institutions. The 'scientific' class is in a trance. What's hilarious is don't they see Europe no longer has mandates? I suppose we'll have to wait for the U.S. to smarten up and drag us into reality.
Dr. Alexander, I'd love to interview you on my podcast! https://mickeyz.substack.com
Typo?
"New Zealand, **alike** UK and Scotland///"
An incorrect statement: "73% of deaths occurred in those vaccinated (fully and boosted)." That is a table not of all deaths, nor a table of deaths due to COVID-19, but of those deaths that occurred within 28 days of a positive COVID-19 test. Most of those deaths may have been incidental to the presence of the virus. Indeed, only 51 deaths so far have been determined as likely caused by COVID-19 but there is no vaccination status breakdown on those. You also haven't weighted the deaths by the population in each age group by vaccination status. (for example, almost all of those over 80 have been fully vaccinated but there are a significant number of deaths in the Not Fully Vaccinated category).
One wonders why you missed out the title of that table: "Age and vaccination status of deaths within 28 days of being reported as a case "
So far, 51 deaths in NZ have been classified as occurring due to COVID-19. 25 deaths occurred before vaccinations started in NZ (so all of those were unvaccinated deaths). Of the remaining 26 deaths, the NZ health service have let me know that 13 were not fully vaccinated (so they lump together unvaccinated and partially vaccinated), 7 were fully vaccinated and 3 were boosted. Though I can't really calculate relative risks of COVID-19 deaths (because they didn't give me a time series of that breakdown) most of those deaths have occurred since well over half of NZers had been fully vaccinated so it's clear that the unvaccinated and partially vaccinated are well over represented in the data we have so far.
Is there any data comparing adverse events and deaths for one dose vs. two doses vs. a booster (or two) and also comparing all this to TOTALLY unvaccinated. I think the "not fully vaccinated" category is a bit dicey. Seems like we need at least 4 categories...the control group compared to the 3 others.
Vaxxed in New Zealand are dominant in cases, hospitalisations and deaths https://twitter.com/juliusmtoo/status/1517778471556026369?s=21&t=DQzlXiaZlRSZupS1jwerXA
But not the whole story. You're about 3 times as likely to be hospitalised AND have COVID-19 if you're unvaccinated as you are if you're boosted. But even this is not the whole story as hospitalised COVID-19 patients were not all hospitalised because of COVID-19. When this is factored in, the ratio goes up to between 5 and 8 times as likely if you're unvaccinated. Cases are a different matter and there are lots of complications there on doing the numbers but it's not as significant a number as hopitalisations and deaths.
It’s a stunning number but is it that dramatic, in part, bc the oldest age group is the most vaccinated?
It's only stunning superficially. It doesn't represent the real picture for deaths due to COVID-19. By the way, about 80% of the whole population is fully vaccinated.
So how did it help exactly?
How did what help? If you're referring to the vaccine, it's impossible to know exactly, because the data aren't available. However, from the data that is available, we can see that the unvaccinated are about 5 to 8 times as likely to be hospitalised due to covid as those who are boosted and about 2 to 3 times as likely as the double vaccinated. There is no clear data on deaths.
Any references to the data? My data point to the exact opposite.
I'm not sure what you mean by "the exact opposite". Using just the raw data, and allowing for a lag between being vaccinated and the vaccine becoming effective plus a lag between becoming a case and needing hospital treatment, then the unvaccinated are 3 times as likely to be hospitalised as the boosted. However, the data we're given is just for hospitalisions of people who have tested positive for COVID-19. That includes those who happen to be in hospital for other reasons. Indeed, many hospitalised cases are only picked up as cases after seeking hospital treatment for some other ailment, since all hospital admissions are routinely tested. The Directory General of Health mentioned some weeks ago that maybe 50% to 60% of hospitalised cases are in hospital for other reasons. When one allocates 50% to 60% of hospitalisations to the various populations (assuming that there is no difference between unvaccinated and vaccinated people when seeking hospital treatment for other ailments) then the risk factor goes to somewhere between 5 times and 8 times. This is probably an underestimation as it seems more likely that older people will seek hospital treatment for all sorts of reasons.
I'm been tracking these numbers for months trying to get an accurate picture (as I thought that the numbers weren't looking too flash for the vaccines) and discovered that the vaccines appear to be having a pronounced effect, lowering hospitalisations and deaths. As I've mentioned, we haven't got the data to make a definitive statement on deaths but the data on hospitalisations is very clear, even without adjustments I've mentioned. What data do you have? I could probably figure out a way to let you see the spreadsheet I've accumulated (but it's an ODS spreadsheet, using LibreOffice).
Did it dawn on you why the period of 0-14 days post jab isn't allocated to the jabbed? And if so, can you trust any of their data? Or are you completely in peace with the way they collect and present these stats? BTW, who guards the foxes that guard the chicken?
Where does the 80% number come from? That’s not what I’ve seen.
As of the 23rd April, 4,087,428 second doses have been given. Total population is about 5,093,500 (Stats.nz projection) which means 80.2% have been what is termed as fully vaccinated.
Vaccination started February 20, 2021. By April 28, 2022 95% of ages 12+ are fully vaccinated (3,977,808), 55% of ages 5 to 11 had one dose (261,367) and 73% of ages 18+ have had a booster (2,627,258)
https://www.health.govt.nz/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-vaccines
Yes. Also, 113,893 5-11 year olds have had a second dose. This makes, now, 4,091,701 who've had 2 doses (though not quite the same number have necessarily been fully vaccinated as some people need a 3rd primary dose but I doubt there are very many who've had 2 doses and not had a needed 3rd primary dose - 31,749 have had a 3rd primary).
Maybe shouldn't have jabbed the oldest then? Start with the kids?
I just meant that the age group most vaccinated is also the age group that’s most likely to die, vaccinated or unvaccinated. So I don’t know how much of a role jab played.
I personally don’t see a reason for anyone to get the jab since it doesn’t do what a vax is meant to do. Kids especially shouldn’t bc there is nothing but risk for them.
I was just practicing my black humour. I got your point.
Check this out https://twitter.com/farmgeek/status/1517692547325644800?s=21&t=59usunC_UkR1XTkohv00aQ
And this
https://twitter.com/juliusmtoo/status/1513426038767857670?s=21&t=59usunC_UkR1XTkohv00aQ