gangs terrorizing USA etc., yes yes yes and ensure they have orders to shoot to kill with proper ammunition especially if attacked; can the US military disobey? Can they tell Trump NO? What can he do?
I would agree with your suggestion EXCEPT for one real, ugly possibility:
With lawless Fat Rats running government, what begins as "temporary" or "a relaxation" or "applicable only for illegals", often turns into the start down a slippery slope. Thus, "temporary" becomes *permanent*; "a relaxation" widens in scope; "applicable only to illegals" spreads to all Americans.
One example is when Nixon in 1971 took the dollar off the gold standard. That was supposed to be "temporary". It remains in force to this day (54 years and counting) -- which is how the Central Bank Cabal has raped and pillaged the US to the point we are in today ($$$tens of trillions in debt).
So be careful. The idea is good, but in the hands of filthy criminals it can go South very fast.
excellent input: "With lawless Fat Rats running government, what begins as "temporary" or "a relaxation" or "applicable only for illegals", often turns into the start down a slippery slope. Thus, "temporary" becomes *permanent*; "a relaxation" widens in scope; "applicable only to illegals" spreads to all Americans."
You are so right in your hesitation. They've put things into place so many times persuading us it's for our benefit, to solve a problem and for only a short time. SUUUURE!
I agree with you. Authorizing the military to act within our borders is a dangerous and slippery slope to basically martial law. The only way I would be comfortable with it being used is if there was a threat at our borders or a large organized group of foreign nationals acting within our country. Then again, It should be deployed only in that particular area and not Nationwide - and never, ever against our own people. We have the police for that, which have now pretty much militarized themselves with military grade equipment. 🙄
The traitors and communist rot are at the top of the military. Disobedience of the COC orders is treason and must be treated as such. As an example, Milley should have dispatched on the spot or sent to Gitmo to await military tribunal. American citizens need accountability on the many heinous crimes perpetuated against them. Immediate and swift justice must happen on January 20th.
Bird flu concerns are growing and there may be pressure on the new administration to nor only push ahead with the annexation of Canada and Greenland but to deal with a new hyped up national health emergency.
I can foresee Trump’s advisers and Pharma urging him to conduct mass vaccinations with new mzfRNA Zshots.. If the people resist then the military could be used against the unvaccinated.
The trend and goal is transitioning to China CCP. More and more top-down approach, military use, chaos -> more police/military, tariffs, protectionism etc. This includes of course mandates, its also tied to digitalization and replacing everything natural and holy with technology. To compete against China you have to become China. CCP shouldnt be a role model, I dont have anything against normal Chinese people, personally I have something against top-down interventions and power WITHOUT accountability and transparency at the top. This is a recipe for disaster. Its a political question, how do you hold the people in the congress and government accountable? See? Shouldnt they be held accountable? So foreign people somewhere in Washington or people at the state level can harm you and not face the consequences? Why? Is this the system/matrix? Its ok when politicians harm you with their actions and laws/policies/acts? Mob rule? The collective is more important than the individual? Where is the red line?
IMO its a slipery slope, if you start to use the military on your own ground, who says that you will stop with a specific deportation operation? What about vaccination operation? I also dont even think its so easily possible what Trump imagines with the use of military. No action without consequences. I still think Trump etc is much better than Chinese Biden. Trump and Elon may be connected to China too but I dont think they will push mandates, but Trump might declare a "national emergency" for other purposes.
"In correspondence with assistants to President Dwight Eisenhower, Harlon Carter, head of the Border Patrol, planned Operation Cloud Burst, which requested an executive order to mobilize the military to round up illegal entrants at the southwestern border and to raid migrant camps and businesses in the interior of the United States. In deference to the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878, Eisenhower DECLINED to authorize the use of Federal troops, instead appointing Army General Joseph May Swing as the commissioner of the Immigration and Naturalization Service.[29][2] Eisenhower gave Swing the power to resolve border control issues in order to stabilize labor negotiations with Mexico.[30]"
The US should have done what many other countries do which is to not import illegals in the first place. Right now, there are threats coming out of Canada from Jagmeet Singh and others. This was preceded some time ago by the entire Canadian parliament comprised of representatives from all parties giving a standing ovation to a former member of the Waffen SS. President Trump may decide that the entire country needs to be deNazified and that the highest priority is to deploy troops to the Canadian border. If he has to conduct a special military operation and the Canadians resist then he may decide to consider a tactical nuclear strike. As regards disobeying orders I am sure Trump will know what to do if that happens.
Once the military is used against civilians, you have gone down a slipped slope. The military will be deployed against anyone the government wants to claim is a threat. Ruby Ridge, Waco, etc., are prime examples. And just like other government overreach, you can’t get the genie back in the bottle. The so called “Patriot Act” is an example.
The best thing is to isolate those groups. Shut off their cell phones and don’t allow food delivery. Antifa can’t kast without the lifestyle they protest.
But using military on our citizens? That’s a big NO.
I disagree with the second part because it would contradict the first part. "Shut off their cell phones and dont allow food delivery" is exactly what is government overreach, typical CCP / Covid-1984 playbook/blueprint, wait until everything is 100% connected and they have social credit score profils. One button and the whole society is shut down because of some fake pandemic or climate change, your money wont work anymore, specific groups that are not wanted (for example "antifa") are shut out, their cars wont work anymore. This is exactly the slippery slope you mentioned in the first section, "deployed against anyone the government (or you) wants to claim is a threat".
People have to reflect. Every government overreach is bad, not just against unvaccinated. Antifa Schmatifa. This is the reason many neocons and republicans are in fact in a dangerous spot, they have the mental wiring to use FORCE against others. If you reduce foreign wars you might even use the free time and capacity and use the military on national ground, we have to use the free capacity, no? What is the REAL threat and harm of antifa? How does it compare to real emergencies?
Yes, use the military. I was one of those who expected Trump to bring in the military when he knew the 2020 election had been rigged and stolen, and treason had been committed. The government had been overthrown.
Instead, he allowed the fake president to "assume power", and allowed the criminal syndicate to appear to run the country into the ground. "Sometimes you can't just tell the people, you have to show them."
Trump showed them the evil and corruption so it can be excised.
Instead, he allowed the fake president to "assume power", and allowed the criminal syndicate to appear to run the country into the ground. "Sometimes you can't just tell the people, you have to show them."
One time in history I turn to repeatedly is the French rvolution and the aftermath.
The 'wokism' we are experiencing has similarityies to the Jacobins. Change the calendar, rename the months is but one example.
Meanwile the British, among others, were watching, waiting for a time to strike.
Napoleon, in the late 18th century, was in Egypt with his army, apparently looking East to India.
When things got out of hand back in France, with the country looking week, the British were there looking for opportunity.
He left his army in Egypt, went back to France, raised another army, eventually declared an empire, and proceeded to unleash a decade plus of war in Europe. The French wanted the military intervention (Napoleon) to restore order. They got a whole lot more, not in a good way.
I believe there are other times in history which rhyme.
The base issue is once people acquire power, they are reluctant to relinquish it. The exceptions are few ( though not non-existent ).
At what point does full military intervention stay grounded and not become full government control? This is a very slippery slope and I do not trust any politician to navigate it.
Did you see Shawn Ryan show where that woman said there are over 1000 Taliban in America who will attack the people in their homes, churches and everywhere else, thats pretty scary, they're sleeper cells.
Hannahlehigh, that is pretty scary but right now, there are threats coming out of Canada from Jagmeet Singh and others.
This was preceded some time ago by the entire Canadian parliament comprised of representatives from all parties giving a standing ovation to a former member of the Nazi Waffen SS.
President Trump may decide that he has had enough of what Canada is doing and that the entire country needs to be deNazified and that the highest priority is to deploy troops to the Canadian border.
If he has to conduct a special military operation and the Canadians resist and other countries get involved and start supplying Canada with weapons and the US suffers losses then he may decide to consider a tactical nuclear strike.
Maybe yeah, but America needs to be de-Isrealized, All of congress takes money from AIPAC except Massey, and did you see the Republican convention where a guy came of with an Israeli flag that said "Israel First" on it. Allot of illegals are flying in from the UK and then using Canadas' border to cross into the US, I agree that our fucking border needs to close, like yesterday, Im sick of it. Trump doesn't own the world, he should keep his nose in his own tent, stop threatening to "buy" Canada, we're not for sale.
not so sure that tactical nukes even exist. they're not exactly cost-effective and in an age of oreshniks, equally redundant. if you have the immense resources required to build a nuke, you might as well go all the way and make a tsar bomba
Oh, you mean if there's an insurrection involving foreign nationals, illegals, and communist (like AntiFa)? Shoot them all. What do you think they were planning for you?
Redirecting attention. People should distrust the government, now we have illegals being the boogey man for all problems. The same like they tried to shift the attention to all sorts of Ukraine-Russia, just dont talk about the last years.
"Should POTUS Trump use military e.g. relax Posse Commitatus Act, to handle riots, deadly protests, round up illegals etc. on US soil? I say YES! YES he should use this tool to school ANTIFA & BLM
gangs terrorizing USA etc.,"
This was the topic.
No, Trump should not "relax" anything, it should be clear what are generally peaceful protests and what is a REAL insurrection.
yes. They pick and choose which laws they want to enforce anyway. BLM and ANTIFA don't seem to have to follow any laws. And anyway, invasions fall under military jurisdiction.
Once you get the military with a big ego, they want to take everything over, and it is worse than it was with COVID. We are trying to fight all that illegal stuff, and adding more to it makes no sense. Once pandora's box opens, sometimes it can't be closed.
Inherent power of defending the Nation against an internal invader, is part of his duty as Commander in Chief of all Military, we are under invasion, the last pretender in the White House, gave Comfort and aide to the Enemy Communist China, and others, opening wide the boarder ignoring his Statutory Duty to protect the Nation, actually taking pay offs from the Communist Enemy, which is tantamount to High Treason, conspiracy to overthrow the Government of the USA, Trump by any and all means available must protect and defend the people against all Enemies Foreign and Domestic, we are under a grave threat, this is no time for uncertainty or unnecessary delays !
The reality is that the use of military against citizens has already been debated and approved, apparently, in 2020. (Lockdowns and the Five Eyes armies...The ‘ABCANZ’ armies in lockstep: “lessons learned” in early 2020. DemocracyManifest Jan 13). So, in light of this collaboration between the top brass in America, Britain, Canada, Australia and New Zealand to use each other's forces, further speculation is a joke...the Constitution has been subverted already. Blaming Trump for it is part of the plan it seems to me.
"All military members swear to "preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic." Within that oath is the implication that service members hold allegiance to the rule of law.
The oath of enlistment goes on to ask service members to follow orders, but adds that it must be done "according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice," or UCMJ.
Both Article 90 of the UCMJ, the charge of willfully disobeying a superior commissioned officer, and Article 92, failure to obey an order, say that they apply only to lawful orders.
Broader legal precedence holds that just following orders, colloquially known as the "Nuremberg defense" as it was used unsuccessfully by senior Nazis to justify their actions under Adolf Hitler, doesn't absolve troops."
How about just using the military to guard our borders with authority to "shoot to kill". The USA has been under a decades-long invasion. This crap has to stop.
I would agree with your suggestion EXCEPT for one real, ugly possibility:
With lawless Fat Rats running government, what begins as "temporary" or "a relaxation" or "applicable only for illegals", often turns into the start down a slippery slope. Thus, "temporary" becomes *permanent*; "a relaxation" widens in scope; "applicable only to illegals" spreads to all Americans.
One example is when Nixon in 1971 took the dollar off the gold standard. That was supposed to be "temporary". It remains in force to this day (54 years and counting) -- which is how the Central Bank Cabal has raped and pillaged the US to the point we are in today ($$$tens of trillions in debt).
So be careful. The idea is good, but in the hands of filthy criminals it can go South very fast.
excellent input: "With lawless Fat Rats running government, what begins as "temporary" or "a relaxation" or "applicable only for illegals", often turns into the start down a slippery slope. Thus, "temporary" becomes *permanent*; "a relaxation" widens in scope; "applicable only to illegals" spreads to all Americans."
You are so right in your hesitation. They've put things into place so many times persuading us it's for our benefit, to solve a problem and for only a short time. SUUUURE!
I agree with you. Authorizing the military to act within our borders is a dangerous and slippery slope to basically martial law. The only way I would be comfortable with it being used is if there was a threat at our borders or a large organized group of foreign nationals acting within our country. Then again, It should be deployed only in that particular area and not Nationwide - and never, ever against our own people. We have the police for that, which have now pretty much militarized themselves with military grade equipment. 🙄
Right, my sentiments exactly. CANNOT trust the government - not for a second!!
Yes. Common sense, balance, being specific about interventions, very specific.
The traitors and communist rot are at the top of the military. Disobedience of the COC orders is treason and must be treated as such. As an example, Milley should have dispatched on the spot or sent to Gitmo to await military tribunal. American citizens need accountability on the many heinous crimes perpetuated against them. Immediate and swift justice must happen on January 20th.
agreed, Milley should have court martialed...he is a traitor.
see debate now on IF the military should follow Trump's commands
Bird flu concerns are growing and there may be pressure on the new administration to nor only push ahead with the annexation of Canada and Greenland but to deal with a new hyped up national health emergency.
I can foresee Trump’s advisers and Pharma urging him to conduct mass vaccinations with new mzfRNA Zshots.. If the people resist then the military could be used against the unvaccinated.
Urging him.
Then Trumps politely declines.
Wouldnt he?
The trend and goal is transitioning to China CCP. More and more top-down approach, military use, chaos -> more police/military, tariffs, protectionism etc. This includes of course mandates, its also tied to digitalization and replacing everything natural and holy with technology. To compete against China you have to become China. CCP shouldnt be a role model, I dont have anything against normal Chinese people, personally I have something against top-down interventions and power WITHOUT accountability and transparency at the top. This is a recipe for disaster. Its a political question, how do you hold the people in the congress and government accountable? See? Shouldnt they be held accountable? So foreign people somewhere in Washington or people at the state level can harm you and not face the consequences? Why? Is this the system/matrix? Its ok when politicians harm you with their actions and laws/policies/acts? Mob rule? The collective is more important than the individual? Where is the red line?
IMO its a slipery slope, if you start to use the military on your own ground, who says that you will stop with a specific deportation operation? What about vaccination operation? I also dont even think its so easily possible what Trump imagines with the use of military. No action without consequences. I still think Trump etc is much better than Chinese Biden. Trump and Elon may be connected to China too but I dont think they will push mandates, but Trump might declare a "national emergency" for other purposes.
"In correspondence with assistants to President Dwight Eisenhower, Harlon Carter, head of the Border Patrol, planned Operation Cloud Burst, which requested an executive order to mobilize the military to round up illegal entrants at the southwestern border and to raid migrant camps and businesses in the interior of the United States. In deference to the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878, Eisenhower DECLINED to authorize the use of Federal troops, instead appointing Army General Joseph May Swing as the commissioner of the Immigration and Naturalization Service.[29][2] Eisenhower gave Swing the power to resolve border control issues in order to stabilize labor negotiations with Mexico.[30]"
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at 12:45, the late great zev zelenko saw this coming a few years ago
https://rumble.com/vyhx6m-live-zelenko-exposes-pfizer-assassination-list-circuitry-in-vaxx-vials-war-.html
More rubbish to attempt to get into our bodies with poison. Healing for the Ages to combat any viral balonie. https://www.healingfortheages.com/?inf_contact_key=4adf3e6ac1cf6cfd24aa7919f396f6c67e470d92b8b75168d98a0b8cac0e9c09
The US should have done what many other countries do which is to not import illegals in the first place. Right now, there are threats coming out of Canada from Jagmeet Singh and others. This was preceded some time ago by the entire Canadian parliament comprised of representatives from all parties giving a standing ovation to a former member of the Waffen SS. President Trump may decide that the entire country needs to be deNazified and that the highest priority is to deploy troops to the Canadian border. If he has to conduct a special military operation and the Canadians resist then he may decide to consider a tactical nuclear strike. As regards disobeying orders I am sure Trump will know what to do if that happens.
Then shot!
I am for the use of military and force if needed, not curfew or lockdowns...just use the force as needed. to get it done.
Once the military is used against civilians, you have gone down a slipped slope. The military will be deployed against anyone the government wants to claim is a threat. Ruby Ridge, Waco, etc., are prime examples. And just like other government overreach, you can’t get the genie back in the bottle. The so called “Patriot Act” is an example.
The best thing is to isolate those groups. Shut off their cell phones and don’t allow food delivery. Antifa can’t kast without the lifestyle they protest.
But using military on our citizens? That’s a big NO.
I agree.
I disagree with the second part because it would contradict the first part. "Shut off their cell phones and dont allow food delivery" is exactly what is government overreach, typical CCP / Covid-1984 playbook/blueprint, wait until everything is 100% connected and they have social credit score profils. One button and the whole society is shut down because of some fake pandemic or climate change, your money wont work anymore, specific groups that are not wanted (for example "antifa") are shut out, their cars wont work anymore. This is exactly the slippery slope you mentioned in the first section, "deployed against anyone the government (or you) wants to claim is a threat".
People have to reflect. Every government overreach is bad, not just against unvaccinated. Antifa Schmatifa. This is the reason many neocons and republicans are in fact in a dangerous spot, they have the mental wiring to use FORCE against others. If you reduce foreign wars you might even use the free time and capacity and use the military on national ground, we have to use the free capacity, no? What is the REAL threat and harm of antifa? How does it compare to real emergencies?
Yes, use the military. I was one of those who expected Trump to bring in the military when he knew the 2020 election had been rigged and stolen, and treason had been committed. The government had been overthrown.
Instead, he allowed the fake president to "assume power", and allowed the criminal syndicate to appear to run the country into the ground. "Sometimes you can't just tell the people, you have to show them."
Trump showed them the evil and corruption so it can be excised.
Instead, he allowed the fake president to "assume power", and allowed the criminal syndicate to appear to run the country into the ground. "Sometimes you can't just tell the people, you have to show them."
I too hoped he would have then
I want a return to order and rule of law.
At the time I thought the military might be an option. In hindsight, no.
Your 'he allowed the fake president to "assume power", ' comment is a distinct possibility. Maybe a wild throw of the dice? Or maybe not so wild.
Once the 'use of military' genie is let out of the bottle, it will, looking through history, be very hard to undo the act.
Better to let events play out, with the states working through the problem.
I think the 10th Amendment shows the mindset of the Founders.
This current Federal monstrosity was not what they intended. They did build in the tools to deal with it.
interesting balanced...so you say NO...
Correct.
One time in history I turn to repeatedly is the French rvolution and the aftermath.
The 'wokism' we are experiencing has similarityies to the Jacobins. Change the calendar, rename the months is but one example.
Meanwile the British, among others, were watching, waiting for a time to strike.
Napoleon, in the late 18th century, was in Egypt with his army, apparently looking East to India.
When things got out of hand back in France, with the country looking week, the British were there looking for opportunity.
He left his army in Egypt, went back to France, raised another army, eventually declared an empire, and proceeded to unleash a decade plus of war in Europe. The French wanted the military intervention (Napoleon) to restore order. They got a whole lot more, not in a good way.
I believe there are other times in history which rhyme.
The base issue is once people acquire power, they are reluctant to relinquish it. The exceptions are few ( though not non-existent ).
Did Trump know? How? How much evidence do you need to deploy military?
Weak evidence / Strong evidence? What is the consequence if you have a very low treshold to deploy military?
At what point does full military intervention stay grounded and not become full government control? This is a very slippery slope and I do not trust any politician to navigate it.
Did you see Shawn Ryan show where that woman said there are over 1000 Taliban in America who will attack the people in their homes, churches and everywhere else, thats pretty scary, they're sleeper cells.
Hannahlehigh, that is pretty scary but right now, there are threats coming out of Canada from Jagmeet Singh and others.
This was preceded some time ago by the entire Canadian parliament comprised of representatives from all parties giving a standing ovation to a former member of the Nazi Waffen SS.
President Trump may decide that he has had enough of what Canada is doing and that the entire country needs to be deNazified and that the highest priority is to deploy troops to the Canadian border.
If he has to conduct a special military operation and the Canadians resist and other countries get involved and start supplying Canada with weapons and the US suffers losses then he may decide to consider a tactical nuclear strike.
Maybe yeah, but America needs to be de-Isrealized, All of congress takes money from AIPAC except Massey, and did you see the Republican convention where a guy came of with an Israeli flag that said "Israel First" on it. Allot of illegals are flying in from the UK and then using Canadas' border to cross into the US, I agree that our fucking border needs to close, like yesterday, Im sick of it. Trump doesn't own the world, he should keep his nose in his own tent, stop threatening to "buy" Canada, we're not for sale.
I guess any border does the job.
https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/us-visas/immigrate/vaccinations.html
not so sure that tactical nukes even exist. they're not exactly cost-effective and in an age of oreshniks, equally redundant. if you have the immense resources required to build a nuke, you might as well go all the way and make a tsar bomba
Oh, you mean if there's an insurrection involving foreign nationals, illegals, and communist (like AntiFa)? Shoot them all. What do you think they were planning for you?
I could agree
Redirecting attention. People should distrust the government, now we have illegals being the boogey man for all problems. The same like they tried to shift the attention to all sorts of Ukraine-Russia, just dont talk about the last years.
So, AntiFa isn't a problem.
So, Communists in our government isn't a problem.
Who do you think is behind the masses crossing our borders?
Who do you think is behind AntiFa?
"Should POTUS Trump use military e.g. relax Posse Commitatus Act, to handle riots, deadly protests, round up illegals etc. on US soil? I say YES! YES he should use this tool to school ANTIFA & BLM
gangs terrorizing USA etc.,"
This was the topic.
No, Trump should not "relax" anything, it should be clear what are generally peaceful protests and what is a REAL insurrection.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/31/americans-killed-protests-political-unrest-acled
How many US citizens died in all protests etc in the US in the last years?
Then you have to compare that to others things, else you could overreact to a small problem.
How many died because of C-19 injections and interventions for example? See?
Do you want general ORDER? Zero Tolerance? What is the difference between a SS police state and communism?
I want violent protesters and traitors shot down like the dogs they are.
yes. They pick and choose which laws they want to enforce anyway. BLM and ANTIFA don't seem to have to follow any laws. And anyway, invasions fall under military jurisdiction.
interesting how you put it
Sounds great in theory, right up to the point your door fly's off the hinge
Once you get the military with a big ego, they want to take everything over, and it is worse than it was with COVID. We are trying to fight all that illegal stuff, and adding more to it makes no sense. Once pandora's box opens, sometimes it can't be closed.
Inherent power of defending the Nation against an internal invader, is part of his duty as Commander in Chief of all Military, we are under invasion, the last pretender in the White House, gave Comfort and aide to the Enemy Communist China, and others, opening wide the boarder ignoring his Statutory Duty to protect the Nation, actually taking pay offs from the Communist Enemy, which is tantamount to High Treason, conspiracy to overthrow the Government of the USA, Trump by any and all means available must protect and defend the people against all Enemies Foreign and Domestic, we are under a grave threat, this is no time for uncertainty or unnecessary delays !
The reality is that the use of military against citizens has already been debated and approved, apparently, in 2020. (Lockdowns and the Five Eyes armies...The ‘ABCANZ’ armies in lockstep: “lessons learned” in early 2020. DemocracyManifest Jan 13). So, in light of this collaboration between the top brass in America, Britain, Canada, Australia and New Zealand to use each other's forces, further speculation is a joke...the Constitution has been subverted already. Blaming Trump for it is part of the plan it seems to me.
Constitution and laws are now mere history on the paper .. there is noothing more permanent than government's "exception".
"All military members swear to "preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic." Within that oath is the implication that service members hold allegiance to the rule of law.
The oath of enlistment goes on to ask service members to follow orders, but adds that it must be done "according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice," or UCMJ.
Both Article 90 of the UCMJ, the charge of willfully disobeying a superior commissioned officer, and Article 92, failure to obey an order, say that they apply only to lawful orders.
Broader legal precedence holds that just following orders, colloquially known as the "Nuremberg defense" as it was used unsuccessfully by senior Nazis to justify their actions under Adolf Hitler, doesn't absolve troops."
https://www.military.com/daily-news/2024/07/12/what-happens-if-president-issues-potentially-illegal-order-military.html
How about just using the military to guard our borders with authority to "shoot to kill". The USA has been under a decades-long invasion. This crap has to stop.